Official UFC Thread - Part 6

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Until it's proven, PRIDE has the superior legacy now, in my opinion. Fighters like Fedor and Shogun never tested positive on American soil.

Wanderlei Silva was clearly jacked and he was Pride's top guy. Skipped out an NSAC drug test when they tried to randomly test him.

Let's see what else. Dan Henderson was using TRT for many years. Josh Barnett has failed three drug tests.

Alistair Overeem failed a drug test. Plenty of longtime Pride guys have failed drug tests over the years.

Fedor and Shogun may have never failed drug tests, but neither did Anderson Silva up until recently. See no reason Fedor couldn't have been juicing and cycling off before the fight.
 
He failed two. Guess who else has failed drug tests. Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie. Do you complain about them?
When do they come up? I have no respect for Ken or Frank, for multiple reasons. The same for Royce. All three aren't the best human beings, and that is before we get to some of the cheating. I don't care who it is, I wouldn't put any drug cheat in any hall of fame, and my favorite baseball player of all time is Barry Bonds. I am a huge Anderson and Fitch fan.

Like it or not DarthSkywalker, all fans are ****ing twofaced as hell over this issue. Gracie was never ostracized by the fans for what he did. If he did, it was shockingly brief.
I am not being twofaced, so I don't give a **** what others are doing.

Bonnar was let go from the UFC and suspended from fighting for a year for his drug test failure. So it's not like he wasn't punished at all.

The UFC forgave Bonnar because they still partly credit him for saving the organization. If the organization is willing to forgive him, honestly do not care. I do not like what Bonnar did. He broke the rules, but the UFC believes without Bonnar/Griffin and TUF, then UFC is not here today. They want to honor him for that fine.
It shows the two face nature of Zuffa and Dana. If they like you, you get a very different kind of leash. To deny that is to deny reality.

Look at all the shady business Tom Brady is involved in. Think he's not getting into the Hall of Fame?
Are you seriously comparing?
 
I would say if you are not a big name fighter, losing 30 percent of your purse and getting suspended nine months is reason enough not to juice.
Yeah, but this..
Siver made $66,000 ($33,000 to show, $33,000 to win) at UFC 168. His fine was 30% of the purse, or $19,800. Siver still made a lot more than he would have if he lost.
And I forget how long he was suspended, but it was probably only 9 months and a lot of fighters only fight once or twice a year anyway.

Brendan Schaub is kind of annoying. If that's the logic he wants to take then he should juice up and use the gear if he hasn't already.
He doesn't want to be a cheater? I don't really like him either, but he and the person who wrote this article make very valid points.
 
Schaub saying all that garbage is not proof he doesn't cheat. Pretty much all the people who have failed drug tests have been advocate for enhanced testing or cleaning up the sport. They are all liars.

The UFC is a private organization. If they are willing to punish someone and make him do his penance and forgive him later, I really do not care.

The MLB never abolished the stats of Mark McGuire or Sammy Sosa or Barry Bonds.

Is it right? I don't know. But they can run their organization how they want. Is that fair? No. But life is not fair. There are worse things in life that are not fair.

The fact is the UFC is going forward with an out of competition drug testing program. It may not work. But no other organization has instituted their own drug testing program or insurance policy. The UFC has done that. That makes the UFC an industry leader. Scott Coker says Bellator MMA is NOT a minor league. Coker says Bellator MMA is a major league promotion, well then where is their enhanced drug testing? Fighter insurance?

They don't have that. Bellator MMA has never paid for enhanced drug testing. In fact, Ben Askren said he was never drug tested in Bellator. They do not have an out of competition testing program. But they are a major league according to Coker.

This program might not work, but at least UFC is doing something about it.
 
Schaub saying all that garbage is not proof he doesn't cheat. Pretty much all the people who have failed drug tests have been advocate for enhanced testing or cleaning up the sport. They are all liars.

The UFC is a private organization. If they are willing to punish someone and make him do his penance and forgive him later, I really do not care.

The MLB never abolished the stats of Mark McGuire or Sammy Sosa or Barry Bonds.

Is it right? I don't know. But they can run their organization how they want. Is that fair? No. But life is not fair. There are worse things in life that are not fair.

The fact is the UFC is going forward with an out of competition drug testing program. It may not work. But no other organization has instituted their own drug testing program or insurance policy. The UFC has done that. That makes the UFC an industry leader. Scott Coker says Bellator MMA is NOT a minor league. Coker says Bellator MMA is a major league promotion, well then where is their enhanced drug testing? Fighter insurance?

They don't have that. Bellator MMA has never paid for enhanced drug testing. In fact, Ben Askren said he was never drug tested in Bellator. They do not have an out of competition testing program. But they are a major league according to Coker.

This program might not work, but at least UFC is doing something about it.
The problem with the UFC is they talk out of both sides of their month. They put the blame on the ACs, act like they are helpless, but they want to change things. They could cut anyone they like whenever they feel like it. They don't. They pick and choose. And if they want to run their business like the WWE, they can't complain when people treat them like they are the WWE. If you want MMA in the UFC to be a legit sport, you have to treat it like one.
 
That's because the athletic commissions have jurisdiction to regulate their events and they cannot circumvent that jurisdiction.

If a fighter fails their out of competition drug test, they will have to request the athletic commission follows suit with whatever punishment they mete out.
 
UFC 187 is setting up to be one of the most stacked cards in years:

Jones (c) vs. Rumble
Weidman (c) vs. Belfort
Arlovski vs. Browne
Cerrone vs. Khabib

Have been confirmed. Condit vs. Alves is being rumored. Also Lawler/MacDonald II will co-headline UFC 189 underneath Aldo/McGregor.
 
UFC 187 is setting up to be one of the most stacked cards in years:

Jones (c) vs. Rumble
Weidman (c) vs. Belfort
Arlovski vs. Browne
Cerrone vs. Khabib

Have been confirmed. Condit vs. Alves is being rumored. Also Lawler/MacDonald II will co-headline UFC 189 underneath Aldo/McGregor.

Until someone gets injured or fails a drug test ;) .
 
That's because the athletic commissions have jurisdiction to regulate their events and they cannot circumvent that jurisdiction.

If a fighter fails their out of competition drug test, they will have to request the athletic commission follows suit with whatever punishment they mete out.
So they can put it in a contract that they can cut you after any loss, but can't put it in that you can be cut for any failed drug test? Yeah, no.
 
So they can put it in a contract that they can cut you after any loss, but can't put it in that you can be cut for any failed drug test? Yeah, no.

If they don't want to cut a fighter after they fail a drug test, that's up to them. If they want to ban him or cut him or whatever, that's up to them. I don't think that right should be taken away.
 
If they don't want to cut a fighter after they fail a drug test, that's up to them. If they want to ban him or cut him or whatever, that's up to them. I don't think that right should be taken away.
I am not disagreeing with that. My point is that they can't blame the ACs for their own inaction. That is what they did for years. They acted like they had this hard stance against PED use, but never actually did anything to back that up. It took Anderson popping dirty to scare them straight.
 
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I don't recall the UFC ever blaming athletic commissions for anything other than bad judging, which is completely valid. The UFC has set up arrangements in the past to pay for enhanced testing to be done by athletic commissions. So now they are spending more on it.
 
I don't recall the UFC ever blaming athletic commissions for anything other than bad judging, which is completely valid. The UFC has set up arrangements in the past to pay for enhanced testing to be done by athletic commissions. So now they are spending more on it.
They have placed punishment in the hands of the ACs as if they have no say. What the ACs do has nothing at all to do with what the UFC does. If they really against PEDs, they cut anyone who got caught. Dana talking about super long suspensions. Is there any reason the UFC couldn't have put a non-compete clause in their contracts that extended a couple of years on top of any suspension by the ACs?
 
They have placed punishment in the hands of the ACs as if they have no say. What the ACs do has nothing at all to do with what the UFC does. If they really against PEDs, they cut anyone who got caught. Dana talking about super long suspensions. Is there any reason the UFC couldn't have put a non-compete clause in their contracts that extended a couple of years on top of any suspension by the ACs?

Lawrence Epstein said that they would have to rework the contracts around to allow for longer suspensions than what is already doled out. The UFC has to offer their fighters at least three fights a year unless the AC suspends them like with Wanderlei. Now that they are going to be handing down more suspensions they will have to cover themselves from a fighter possibly suing the UFC for breach of contract. A lot of what I typed is speculation, but Epsteain did say that, so you can gather that there are loopholes with certain suspensions that they could give out as an organization. Basically it's easier said than done.

As for cutting guys after testing positive, I don't think that they should be too cut happy with that. Everyone deserves a second chance. I'm all for harsh punishments, but the talent still needs to be able to recover from things eventually. That's why I think a two year suspension for a first time offender is the best bet rather than cutting someone. You also have to take into account that the UFC isn't going to cut top talent to let them go fight for a competitor. Lets say that they cut Anderson tomorrow. It's not going to happen, but if they did Bellator could snatch him up and have him fight on reservations that don't have athletic commissions. They would probably lose the ability to get sanctioned at top places in many states, but they are in a position to be able to risk that. If the UFC pulled some **** like having a suspended fighter fight in unsanctioned territory their empire could crumble under an inability to get sanctioned in high money places. Bellator on the other hand just wants to make money as fast as they can, so any kind of attention is good attention to them.

Not saying that they would definitely do that, but it's certainly more of an option to them than the for the UFC if top fighters got cut easily.
 
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Bellator booked the fight we were supposed to get in 2008. My heart goes out to Shamrock. This is going to be his toughest fight yet.


Oh and King Mo beat Cheick Kongo tonight.
 
Very, very silly & pointless fight. In 2008/2009 when they were originally supposed to fight it was pushing the limits of pointlessness but now in 2015 it has well & truly crossed the line.

In reality, Ken Shamrock should never have returned to the MMA scene after going to the then WWF, when was that 1998 or something like that? All he has done since he returned has really hurt his legacy. He's fought guys that really should never have been allowed to grace the cage with him & what's worse they've beat the **** out of him.

Not that I think Shamrock is one of the greatest ever or anything like that because I don't, but he had an important role in MMA's growth & I personally feel shouldn't be doing these sorts of 'joke' fights.

The only reason I can think of is that he must have pissed away all his life earnings & WWF/E money & is broke. I think Kimbo wins, probably via KO or TKO inside 2 rounds.
 
The Jones/Rumble portion of this video is must watch.

[YT]http://youtu.be/u9Fc2iEncOA[/YT]
 
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Thought Holly Holm had a solid match tonight. Can't wait for Rousey vs Zingano next.
 
They should just let Ronda fight the guys. She's clearly too OP for the women's division.
 
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