Official UFC Thread - Part 6

[raisethe3]

RR is amazing. Period

Yeah, I thought that match would at least go 3 minutes or longer, but wow.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Rousey is Fedor incarnated... in female form. 14 freaking seconds.

The only reason I'm still interested in MMA:

Velasquez
Pettis
McGregor
Rousey <---
Condit

 

[DoomsdayApex]

 

[I'm Venom]

Well. That happened.

 

[Frodo]

Rousey is amazing.

 

[EnderWiggin]

She would destroy cyborg idk why people think other wise , she's way to good . She would take cyborg down and submit her so easy .. Technique would negate the strength gap between the two which isn't that much of a gap .. RR uses leverage way to good .. Just amazing

 

[Howlett]

I'm actually pretty surprised by all of the Ronda love. Women's MMA is in it's infancy. The division she's in couldn't be more shallow. Essentially she's an olympic athlete fighting High schoolers.

She has talent for sure, but her division is so weak.

 

[Howlett]

Rousey is Fedor incarnated... in female form. 14 freaking seconds.

Just...no.

If you must compare her to someone it isn't Fedor, or Tyson(as Dana White is trying to do). They knocked people the f out, she doesn't. She's more like Royce Gracie. A pioneer fighting less talented people who didn't really know what they were dealing with at the time.

 

[TheBat812]

I'm actually pretty surprised by all of the Ronda love. Women's MMA is in it's infancy. The division she's in couldn't be more shallow. Essentially she's an olympic athlete fighting High schoolers.

She has talent for sure, but her division is so weak.

That's not really fair, you're judged against your competition. She record her opponent this weekend.

 

[Howlett]

That's not really fair, you're judged against your competition. She record her opponent this weekend.

And her competition is extremely weak.

...and wow what a terrible strategy Zingano had.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

She would destroy cyborg idk why people think other wise , she's way to good . She would take cyborg down and submit her so easy .. Technique would negate the strength gap between the two which isn't that much of a gap .. RR uses leverage way to good .. Just amazing

This is exactly why she is afraid to fi... I mean won't fight Cyborg.

Cyborg has size and punching power. She could knock out Rousey and overpower her.

I'm actually pretty surprised by all of the Ronda love. Women's MMA is in it's infancy. The division she's in couldn't be more shallow. Essentially she's an olympic athlete fighting High schoolers.

She has talent for sure, but her division is so weak.

She is basically Royce, though against slightly better competition. Rousey is a superior athlete, who great skills. But she hasn't been tested by anything approaching elite status. There is no Nog, no Cro Cop, no anyone. This isn't like 155 today or GSP cleaning out a fantastic 170. I don't like Jones, but look at the competition he has faced in comparison.

And her competition is extremely weak.

...and wow what a terrible strategy Zingano had.

Cat did the stupidest thing imaginable.

 

[Warhammer]

Rousey could get knocked the f*** out at a hilariously embarrassing level. Rousey must fear that even a little bit. It'd be one hell of a match up no matter who wins. Well, if it actually happens and soon.

 

[Slushy]

I feel sorry for whoever ordered the PPV last night. 14 second main event?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Just...no.

If you must compare her to someone it isn't Fedor, or Tyson(as Dana White is trying to do). They knocked people the f out, she doesn't. She's more like Royce Gracie. A pioneer fighting less talented people who didn't really know what they were dealing with at the time.

That transition was very Fedor-esque.

To me, she is quite possibly the closest any female in MMA will ever get to Fedor. Her Judo skills will not be matched for a long, long time. Tate is the best wrestler in the sport and Rousey just embarrassed her with throws and ground game. Plus, Ronda armbars anything in sight. If that doesn't scream Fedor, then I don't know what does.

There's nothing about Rousey that makes me think of Royce.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

And her competition is extremely weak.

...and wow what a terrible strategy Zingano had.

It wasn't a terrible strategy. Cat just simply got caught up in the moment and paid for it. Zingano did have the strength advantage. However, she thought she could overpower Ronda and her submission attempt -- not the case.

As for those talking about Cyborg, I don't want to hear about her. Chris is a piece of poo. She's a notorious cheater and doesn't deserve a title shot. If she gets caught with PEDs again, she deserves to be tossed in there with men (although, to be honest, she already seems to be one).

 

[Howlett]

That transition was very Fedor-esque.

To me, she is quite possibly the closest any female in MMA will ever get to Fedor. Her Judo skills will not be matched for a long, long time. Tate is the best wrestler in the sport and Rousey just embarrassed her with throws and ground game. Plus, Ronda armbars anything in sight. If that doesn't scream Fedor, then I don't know what does.

There's nothing about Rousey that makes me think of Royce.

Both are/were the first dominant fighter when it started. Fought and beat less talented, less well rounded opponents in a very new sport. Almost all wins from submissions. Pretty much one dimensional fighters fighting other one dimensional fighters.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Both are/were the first dominant fighter when it started. Fought and beat less talented, less well rounded opponents in a very new sport. Almost all wins from submissions. Pretty much one dimensional fighters fighting other one dimensional fighters.

I'm sorry, but didn't Anderson Silva do virtually the same thing in the Middleweight division? Maia, Leites, Lutter, Leben, Sonnen, etc are all considered one-dimensional themselves. Granted, WMMA lacks depth but one could argue that Rousey has faced her 'Big Nog' in Tate already. Cyborg could be her 'Cro Cop'.

Again, to me, Ronda is an explosive athlete. Her ability to takedown her opponent with the smallest resistance is astounding. Royce was never that type of fighter. In fact, he was the opposite. There was nothing flashy or explosive about his game.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm sorry, but didn't Anderson Silva do virtually the same thing in the Middleweight division? Maia, Leites, Lutter, Leben, Sonnen, etc are all considered one-dimensional themselves. Granted, WMMA lacks depth but one could argue that Rousey has faced her 'Big Nog' in Tate already. Cyborg could be her 'Cro Cop'.

Again, to me, Ronda is an explosive athlete. Her ability to takedown her opponent with the smallest resistance is astounding. Royce was never that type of fighter. In fact, he was the opposite. There was nothing flashy or explosive about his game.

I am a big Tate fan, but Big Nog? No, just no. Nog and Cro Cop were not the most well rounded fighters, but they were incredible at their disciples and very good MMA fighters. There was a time when you could hit Nog with a truck and it wouldn't stop him. And on the flip side, taking a shot from Cro Cop was like getting hit by a truck.

I agree on Anderson. It is why I always had GSP ahead of him in the all time stakes. Though all those guys are better then anything Rousey has fought in relative. Plus he beat the likes of TRT Vitor, Okami, Franklin, Henderson, Marquardt and back in the day he beat Mach.

I agree Rousey is a fantastic athlete, which is exactly why she dominating. She is like a prime Serena Williams in a far younger sport.

 

[EnderWiggin]

This is exactly why she is afraid to fi... I mean won't fight Cyborg.

Cyborg has size and punching power. She could knock out Rousey and overpower her.


She is basically Royce, though against slightly better competition. Rousey is a superior athlete, who great skills. But she hasn't been tested by anything approaching elite status. There is no Nog, no Cro Cop, no anyone. This isn't like 155 today or GSP cleaning out a fantastic 170. I don't like Jones, but look at the competition he has faced in comparison.


Cat did the stupidest thing imaginable.

Cyborg would get submitted in the first round easy ... She has no tech , reason she has power is because they are coming from a mile away . RR has better stand up game then her , all she has to do is fun I one of her wild looping punch to close the gap and from there I gaurentee you cyborg gets tossed and submitted . RR is the champ and you should chase the champ , RR has no reason to go chase cyborg

 

[B]

The womans division currently is lacking. Rousey is heads and shoulders above everyone in womans MMA by a long shot.

It's for 2 reasons:

1. Rousey is THAT good. She is undoubtably on the likes of Anderson Silva, Mike Tyson, Roy Jones type level in the sense that she is just that much more above the competition, she makes them look weaker than they really are.

2. Womans MMA just hasn't grown enough yet, there aren't that many really good and skilled woman in MMA.. yet, at least to the level of Rousey. The ones that are good are mostly proficient in 1 aspect, be it grappling or striking.

Also Fedor was in a similar situation in the heavyweight division in Pride. He was a skilled mixed martial artist fighting guys that were pretty much just big guys & not that skilled. Fair enough there are 1 or 2 exceptions such as maybe Cro Cop and Nogueira but for the most part they were all unskilled big guys.

The heavyweight division has always been somewhat of a joke division in all off MMA until these last maybe 6 or 7 years in which we are finally starting to see some proper heavyweights that are actually skilled. It still is a weakish division I feel, but it's far stronger now than what it was 10 years ago.. by far.

If Fedor was say 6 or 7 years younger and still fighting now in the UFC's heavyweight division he would not have been as dominant as he was during Pride's era. I'm sure he would probably still be in you know a title circle, but would he have put together such a winning streak in the heavyweight division when you have/had the likes of Mir, Carwin, Lesnar, Dos Santos, Velasquez, Overeem, Antonio Silva, Browne, Cormier, Werdum etc all running around? Not a chance, I don't think he'd have even beat Lesnar nevermind Velasquez.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Lesnar? If Couture was able to takedown and hit Lesnar cleanly then so would've Fedor. I'm sorry but Prime Fedor would've submitted or TKO'd Prime Lesnar. Brock hated to get tagged (ex. Carwin, Overeem, Velasquez, etc). You can't last long in the sport if you ball up every time you get whacked by a hard shot.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I am a big Tate fan, but Big Nog? No, just no. Nog and Cro Cop were not the most well rounded fighters, but they were incredible at their disciples and very good MMA fighters. There was a time when you could hit Nog with a truck and it wouldn't stop him. And on the flip side, taking a shot from Cro Cop was like getting hit by a truck.

I agree on Anderson. It is why I always had GSP ahead of him in the all time stakes. Though all those guys are better then anything Rousey has fought in relative. Plus he beat the likes of TRT Vitor, Okami, Franklin, Henderson, Marquardt and back in the day he beat Mach.

I agree Rousey is a fantastic athlete, which is exactly why she dominating. She is like a prime Serena Williams in a far younger sport.

I'm not saying Tate is Big Nog but she was by far the best grappler in WMMA before Rousey rose to prominence and Ronda made her appear like an amateur (similar to how Fedor just schooled Nogueira the first time around). Big Nog had a knack for eating massive shots but he never possessed top tier boxing like his brother. He depended on his chin to get close and clinch.

To be fair though, I doubt WMMA will ever see a female version of Cro Cop. Mirko's left leg was special. Even now, very few kickboxers possess half of Cro Cop's KO power.

To date, Ronda has only faced one or two legitimate contenders. I'll admit that BUT who knows? This sport can go through a quick transformation in just two years. At one time, the Lightweight division was shallow after all.

 

[B]

Lesnar? If Couture was able to takedown and hit Lesnar cleanly then so would've Fedor. I'm sorry but Prime Fedor would've submitted or TKO'd Prime Lesnar. Brock hated to get tagged (ex. Carwin, Overeem, Velasquez, etc). You can't last long in the sport if you ball up every time you get whacked by a hard shot.

We already saw what happened to Fedor when he fought a skilled, proper weight limit heavyweight. Antonio Silva smoothered him & beat Fedor like a drum in the clinch and on the ground.. and Lesnar is a far stronger wrestler than Silva.

Lesnar spent 0 time on his back in that fight with Couture, if I recall, Couture got him down onto his ass only briefly, exhausting himself which allowed Lesnar to bounce straight back up & I think put Randy on his back almost instantly.

Also Fedor was knocked out by a light heavyweight, struggled against the power of Silva on the feet, who's to say Lesnar wouldn't have dropped Fedor like he did Randy?

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Lesnar spent 0 time on his back in that fight with Couture, if I recall, Couture got him down onto his ass only briefly, exhausting himself which allowed Lesnar to bounce straight back up & I think put Randy on his back almost instantly.

Randy was in his mid 40s when he fought Brock.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

We already saw what happened to Fedor when he fought a skilled, proper weight limit heavyweight. Antonio Silva smoothered him & beat Fedor like a drum in the clinch and on the ground.. and Lesnar is a far stronger wrestler than Silva.

Lesnar spent 0 time on his back in that fight with Couture, if I recall, Couture got him down onto his ass only briefly, exhausting himself which allowed Lesnar to bounce straight back up & I think put Randy on his back almost instantly.

Also Fedor was knocked out by a light heavyweight, struggled against the power of Silva on the feet, who's to say Lesnar wouldn't have dropped Fedor like he did Randy?

Let's not play MMAth, shall we?

By the time Fedor got to Silva and Hendo, he wasn't the same guy. Fedor's hand speed and chin were deteriorating by every match. I think that became painfully obvious against Brett Rodgers and even Andrei Arlvoski. Prime Fedor would absolutely wreck Lesnar. One clean shot is all it would take. In 2005, no HW on the planet possessed the hand speed that Emelianenko displayed. Fedor could throw three long looping hooks (haymakers) in 1.5 seconds. Keep in mind, these were really heavy punches and he still launched them with such velocity. Come on man, Velasquez's striking is extremely sharp but he never came close to Fedor's speed and you expect me to believe that garbage? Bruh... not a chance. If Cain could overwhelm Brock with punches in bunches then Lesnar stood no chance against the GOAT in his prime.