Official UFC Thread

[SuperSoldier985]

 

[misjuevos]

im curious how overeem will be hyped for his fight. dana clearly doesn't think he is top 10. also cung le vs vitor coming up later, not to bad.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Damn, Victor might be too big for Le.

 

[misjuevos]

Nah cung will keep him at distance and land body shots with his legs

 

[CrypticOne]

HAHA! People were turning their tickets in for UFC 137, because they canceled the GSP/Diaz fight. Dana had to put Diaz back on the card. Man, I hate the politics of this sport. It makes no sense to remove Diaz, then put him back on the same card. What they should have done was fine Diaz for not showing up to the press conferences.

 

[Paroxysm]

Daniel Cormier and Josh Barnett won their respective bouts.

I still have Barnett winning the whole thing.

 

[misjuevos]

I knew cormier would take silva. Silva couldn't ko arlovski or even fedor from the dominant positions he had on fedor. he may have pummled him but his hands seem to lack power. Also I'm sure everyone knew barnett would win via a sub. hopefully this final happens before sf is closed or one of them is signed with the ufc. if cormier's hand is hurt bad they may run out of time before the showtime deal is up.

The Santos mein fight was really good. Also the mo fight I picked mo to win but thought it would be a blanketing. The ko was great.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Nah cung will keep him at distance and land body shots with his legs

I hope so.. Le has such a great simple sidekick to the body, I don't understand why nobody else uses it.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Anyone watch Bellator regularly? UFC needs some kind of competition, sad to say but I don't think Strikeforce will survive much longer. Not that they were any threat but at least some kind of alternative.

 

[TheVileOne]

Strikeforce was never competition.

Bellator is OK. They have some good fights and some good fighters but their presentation is terrible. You can't watch them in HD on MTV2. The production values this season have been terrible.

Also the other problem. The whole tournament format keeps the champions on the shelves too damn long and they are seldom defending their belts.

The other problem they did a whole 125 pound women's division and they've done jack **** with it since they had that tournament.

Strikeforce was never really competition to the UFC. Bellator I wager never will be either. I think it is good though to have more organizations out there and on TV to give us more fights and also to give guys who aren't UFC level a place to fight. There needs to be a place where guys can build their resume before going to the UFC or where they can get some wins before going back to the UFC.

 

[misjuevos]

Yeah it's good to have alternatives for the fighters to negotiate with. I never bought into the ufc being the only place for good fighters. By that I mean every org has good and bad fighters. The ufc isn't the only place for good fighters. They just have a bigger roster. Especially since they buy up their competition, yes sf was competition. in the sense that people had an alternative to watching only the ufc, same as dream. funny thing about dream is zuffa tried to buy out their Japanese competition in pride. They bought pride but some of the people from pride took the money and with other people they formed dream. Zuffa pretty much funded their own new competiion.

Zuffa is slowly taking sf apart so when the showtime deal is up they can have a clean cut. Will be easy for zuffa to say well sf has low ticket sales and no fighters left so we decided to close shop. zuffa is just bleeding sf dry till they co poof.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Strikeforce was never competition.

Bellator is OK. They have some good fights and some good fighters but their presentation is terrible. You can't watch them in HD on MTV2. The production values this season have been terrible.

Also the other problem. The whole tournament format keeps the champions on the shelves too damn long and they are seldom defending their belts.

The other problem they did a whole 125 pound women's division and they've done jack **** with it since they had that tournament.

Strikeforce was never really competition to the UFC. Bellator I wager never will be either. I think it is good though to have more organizations out there and on TV to give us more fights and also to give guys who aren't UFC level a place to fight. There needs to be a place where guys can build their resume before going to the UFC or where they can get some wins before going back to the UFC.

Yes, that's why the UFC decided to buy them out...

 

[E-Man]

The less competition the better. I want all fighters under one umbrella so the best fights the best. Also, many MMA promotions are so shady that they deserve to die. The UFC treats guys well.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

No they don't. Fighters such as Rampage, Couture, Fitch, Penn, Lindland, Coleman, etc have stated that the UFC's management can be compared to a playground bully if you disagree with them on just one subject.

They can afford to pay fighters more as well but they won't because they don't need to, which is why competition is necessary.

 

[Paroxysm]

UFC also doesn't want a fighters union.

 

[I'm Not a Hero]

I got a kick out of it.

 

[misjuevos]

The less competition the better. I want all fighters under one umbrella so the best fights the best. Also, many MMA promotions are so shady that they deserve to die. The UFC treats guys well.

strikeforce and dream were doing a better job of this than the ufc. sf and dream teamed up so they could have the best in their organizations fight each other, without having to leave their respective org. melendez fought aoki and kawajiri, diaz fought sakurai, and so on.

the ufc won't let their fighters go represent them in another organization anymore. they tried with chuck lidell in pride gp, he ko'd overeem but then lost to rampage. dana bet alot of money chuck would win the gp. dream also did a team up with sengoku on new years eve, sengoku vs dream. we will never see the ufc vs anyone.

you will never have all the fighters under one roof, so why exclude these other organizations. you don't have to crush them to get ahead. strikeforce ,dream and sengoku had the right idea. you can have superfights between organizations, put your money where your mouth is.

 

[E-Man]

DREAM can eat **** and die for all I care. They have numerous fighters say that they either paid them far later than promised, or they didn't get paid by DREAM at all.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

No they don't. Fighters such as Rampage, Couture, Fitch, Penn, Lindland, Coleman, etc have stated that the UFC's management can be compared to a playground bully if you disagree with them on just one subject.

They can afford to pay fighters more as well but they won't because they don't need to, which is why competition is necessary.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

I got a kick out of it.

Oh please,..

I think Cormier could've taken Fedor quite honestly.

To me, he reminds me of a Black Cain Velasquez, ironically enough, is a close friend and training partner of his at AKA, so there's no surprise there that they have similar styles and skills.

And like with Cain, Cormier doesn't "look" like a MMA fighter, but where he excels in is his speed and technique...

 

[E-Man]

No they don't. Fighters such as Rampage, Couture, Fitch, Penn, Lindland, Coleman, etc have stated that the UFC's management can be compared to a playground bully if you disagree with them on just one subject.

They can afford to pay fighters more as well but they won't because they don't need to, which is why competition is necessary.

The UFC is the only MMA organization that has an insurance policy that covers fighters for injuries sustained before the fight. In the past they covered them for injuries that happened during the fight, but now they have improved upon that where no other MMA org has even done. They also have been known to be very generous with bonuses, and not just Fight, KO, and Sub of the night bonuses.

As for the people that complain, look at the list. Randy basically just wanted to fight Fedor, and in the and he came back because he really had no case. Rampage complains about everything that doesn't go his way. Seriously, I've been a fan for years, but the guy is ultra sensitive and very irresponsible. B.J. Penn is the same way. Coleman needed money and got signed just so he could pay his bills. Fitch and Lindland have a point, but not enough to make it seem like Zuffa is this big evil empire putting their fighters under slave contracts. They're really the only MMA org out there good enough to grow their business, but they haven't been caught doing ultra shady **** like the Japanese orgs and EliteXC. I really hate a lot of the stuff they do sometimes, but they are much more fair to their fighters than anyone else by a long shot.

 

[TheVileOne]

UFC buying out Strikeforce was inevitable. The inmates were running the asylum. All the deals falling apart later shows that Strikeforce made tons of bad deals. Most of the big stars would've ended up in the UFC anyway. The organization was losing money and the owners wanted out and that's why they put Strikeforce up for sale. Coker at first said "we aren't competing with the UFC blah blah blah" but the truth is when it came to it he couldn't handle competing with the UFC. Their promotion and matchmaking was terrible. The promos for CBS were terrible.

Say what you want about the UFC but they pay their fighters. They don't pull cute **** like with DREAM opting to forget to pay out certain fighters.

Also the slave contracts complaints are junk. That is just fighters trying to pump themselves up and leverage themselves. We now know fighters are paid a lot more than what is reported by the athletic commissions and the big names get paid tons with the bigger endorsements they are getting. Case in point, Machida's payout for UFC 129 was comparable to what Silva REPORTEDLY got paid for the Sonnen fight. Machida went on record as admitting he asked for Anderson Silva money to fight Rashad Evans last month. So we know Silva at the end of the day gets paid a lot more outside of what is reported by the state athletic commissions.

A lot of these guys weren't getting paid anything a few years ago like Frankie Edgar whose payout was in the six figure realm reportedly for his last fight. UFC is where fighters want to be.

Payouts and bonuses are go up and they will continue to go up.

Nick Diaz is an idiot and a moron. He complains about not getting paid like Pacquiao and Mayweather when he's not willing to put in that extra work those guys do to hype and promote fights. Diaz is a coward and a ***** and has no right to complain. UFC offered him the opportunity of a lifetime and a huge payday and title fight and he ****ed himself out of it because he's a pothead idiot.

 

[mrvlknight21]

HAHA! People were turning their tickets in for UFC 137, because they canceled the GSP/Diaz fight. Dana had to put Diaz back on the card. Man, I hate the politics of this sport. It makes no sense to remove Diaz, then put him back on the same card. What they should have done was fine Diaz for not showing up to the press conferences.

Really? Im surprised Dana would cave like that.

I just checked the UFC website and it still shows GSP vs Condit and Penn vs Diaz.

 

[TheVileOne]

Diaz technically was fined. He's not going to get paid as much for a co-main event with Penn as he was with a title fight main event with GSP. Diaz is lucky he didn't get fired or thrown off the card completely. He should swallow his pride and apologize to Cesar Gracie, the UFC, Lorenzo Fertita, GSP, and Dana White.

Also, UFC 137 is already reportedly sold out anyway so people still want to see the card. GSP and Penn on the same card is a bigger draw than Diaz anyway.

 

[CrypticOne]

It's going to be an interesting fight between Penn and Diaz. They have trained together before, and I think they are friends. Can't wait to see this war. Two of the best boxers in MMA. I'm going to be rooting for Penn and I give him the slight advantage in the stand up and jiu-jitsu.