Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[Colossal Spoons]

boo, forget heinberg already

 

[CaptainCanada]

I'm not clear that H & C are doing another volume; they're doing this Avengers project instead (from the looks of it, I would say it's Scarlet Witch-related). Marvel has let other writers start to pick away at Heinberg's announced story ideas, such as with the DR miniseries.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Regardless of what it is, Heinberg's lack of involvement is still clearly blocking any further ongoings with the Young Avengers, which I think most of us would prefer over these event minis and occasional appearances in other comics.

 

[Eros]

Is heingberg even alive anymore? what Tv shows does he write for now?

 

[Dread]

It is a shame, but not surprising, that Marvel continues to enjoy being taken for suckers for Hollywood writers. Heinberg's always considered comics a second, paid hobby. The only run he finished on time was a 6 issue JLA run, and that was co-written by workhorse Geoff Johns. His first volume of YA was plagued with delays, some which may not have all been the fault of Cheung (who is hardly Bagley-speed). DC learned the hard way with WONDER WOMAN. Yet Marvel continues to believe no one else; not Cebulski, or Wells, or Yost, or Cornell, or anyone really, could write the Young Avengers.

This franchise has already cooled quite a bit; this year may be make or break for an ongoing in this market.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Is heingberg even alive anymore? what Tv shows does he write for now?

Grey's Anatomy.

 

[Specter313]

The latest update:

Haven't they been working on that project for a couple years at this point? How much longer are they going to hold off? Things in the "landscape of the Marvel U" are changing so much these days that it will be hard for anything that people have been writing since say, six months ago, to fit in six months down the line with everything else that is happening. It would create a continuity nightmare, which would probably explain why they don't let the YA do much of anything else these days.

 

[Specter313]

It is a shame, but not surprising, that Marvel continues to enjoy being taken for suckers for Hollywood writers. Heinberg's always considered comics a second, paid hobby. The only run he finished on time was a 6 issue JLA run, and that was co-written by workhorse Geoff Johns. His first volume of YA was plagued with delays, some which may not have all been the fault of Cheung (who is hardly Bagley-speed). DC learned the hard way with WONDER WOMAN. Yet Marvel continues to believe no one else; not Cebulski, or Wells, or Yost, or Cornell, or anyone really, could write the Young Avengers.

This franchise has already cooled quite a bit; this year may be make or break for an ongoing in this market.

And for newer franchises as well. I'd say newer teams similar to the YA, like Runaways, have also been taking a hit in recent months as far as momentum goes. How many more times are they going to restart their books until they're given up on altogether? In today's economy, it's probably looking more and more tempting for editors to focus more on properties that will make them almost guaranteed money rather than risk venturing into some projects that would probably lose more than what they would make.

 

[Dread]

And for newer franchises as well. I'd say newer teams similar to the YA, like Runaways, have also been taking a hit in recent months as far as momentum goes. How many more times are they going to restart their books until they're given up on altogether? In today's economy, it's probably looking more and more tempting for editors to focus more on properties that will make them almost guaranteed money rather than risk venturing into some projects that would probably lose more than what they would make.

RUNAWAYS has had problems in terms of sales since the Whedon run. He nearly tripled Vaughan's sales upon his debut; but 14 months and 6 issues later, sales weren't much about what they were under Vaughan, and after him sales have tanked for the Moore run. Granted, this is a title we are told sells wonderfully in digest (where it is $8 for 6 issues).

Part of me keeps thinking that YOUNG AVENGERS has missed it's time because Marvel sat on an ongoing relaunch too long. It is a shame.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

RUNAWAYS has had problems in terms of sales since the Whedon run. He nearly tripled Vaughan's sales upon his debut; but 14 months and 6 issues later, sales weren't much about what they were under Vaughan, and after him sales have tanked for the Moore run. Granted, this is a title we are told sells wonderfully in digest (where it is $8 for 6 issues).

Part of me keeps thinking that YOUNG AVENGERS has missed it's time because Marvel sat on an ongoing relaunch too long. It is a shame.

It is, because at this point I'd rather have a Young Avengers ongoingthan whatever AI is going to become.

 

[Dread]

It is, because at this point I'd rather have a Young Avengers ongoingthan whatever AI is going to become.

You mean AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE? It's doing fine right now, still selling at over 40k a month. I could list plenty of ongoing's that wish they were doing that well (as do I). If this latest YA mini could remain selling at that level, it would be good. Granted, this volume has gotten off to some mixed reviews. It wasn't Cornell's best.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

I'm just saying while I enjoyed Avengers: The Initiative in the past, I'd prefer a Young Avengers ongoing in it's place now, since it sorta feels out of place in the post Secret Invasion world.

 

[Dread]

I'm just saying while I enjoyed Avengers: The Initiative in the past, I'd prefer a Young Avengers ongoing in it's place now, since it sorta feels out of place in the post Secret Invasion world.

I'd like to think there is room for both. Christos Gage is showing how the Initiative will continue under Osborn, how many of the "black hats" will more blatantly take control and what happens to all those new recruits, many of them "fan favorite" (if only to about 5 fans) C and D List heroes. I'm still enjoying it, and I might argue that Gage is having an easier go with it than Slott sometimes did. He just seems more balanced with what the premise requires, and/or is just rolling well with an excellent Dark Reign set-up, as Fraction is with INVINCIBLE IRON MAN.

Young Avengers just needs a premise and a plan beyond drifting from mini's and guest shots.

 

[Specter313]

RUNAWAYS has had problems in terms of sales since the Whedon run. He nearly tripled Vaughan's sales upon his debut; but 14 months and 6 issues later, sales weren't much about what they were under Vaughan, and after him sales have tanked for the Moore run. Granted, this is a title we are told sells wonderfully in digest (where it is $8 for 6 issues).

Part of me keeps thinking that YOUNG AVENGERS has missed it's time because Marvel sat on an ongoing relaunch too long. It is a shame.

That's what I mean, the delays under Whedon and then the poor storytelling and art under Moore/Ramos have caused the book to lose any momentum that all the newer readers who came on for Whedon could have given the series. Marvel's really been dropping the ball on some of the characters and teams who really could be the next generation of heroes and bring in newer readers. It really is a shame.

 

[Dread]

That's what I mean, the delays under Whedon and then the poor storytelling and art under Moore/Ramos have caused the book to lose any momentum that all the newer readers who came on for Whedon could have given the series. Marvel's really been dropping the ball on some of the characters and teams who really could be the next generation of heroes and bring in newer readers. It really is a shame.

It is a shame. I think Marvel landed audiences they didn't expect and didn't know what to do with them with some properties. For example, the cartoon X-MEN EVOLUTION, a result of many ugly compromises between Marvel and a WB related network, proved to be astonishingly popular with an audience neither expected; teenage girls. Considering that half the cast were girls and Rogue was all but the female lead for many episodes, it should have been a bit logical, but who knows. What was the result? Both sides bungled things, choosing a hatred of sharing profits over exploiting a new market.

RUNAWAYS at least supposedly sells in another format and still has some indie cred left. I could imagine a movie based on them much sooner than the Young Avengers.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

It is a shame. I think Marvel landed audiences they didn't expect and didn't know what to do with them with some properties. For example, the cartoon X-MEN EVOLUTION, a result of many ugly compromises between Marvel and a WB related network, proved to be astonishingly popular with an audience neither expected; teenage girls. Considering that half the cast were girls and Rogue was all but the female lead for many episodes, it should have been a bit logical, but who knows. What was the result? Both sides bungled things, choosing a hatred of sharing profits over exploiting a new market.

RUNAWAYS at least supposedly sells in another format and still has some indie cred left. I could imagine a movie based on them much sooner than the Young Avengers.

One is in development at Marvel Studios with Vaughan writing the script...so.

 

[CaptainCanada]

DR: YA #2 preview.

Looks good; Speed and Coat-of-Arms knowing each other is a neat twist (was she in the same prison as him?).

 

[Dread]

Speed needs some more fleshing badly. I still am not convinced that making the new characters the leads in this mini was the best choice for a Young Avenger mini, when they're still mostly ciphers, but it's off to a fast start.

 

[NightBeetle]

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[[A]]

They still use that blur effect to.. um, represent movement?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I so hope Rikki sticks around. I want Bucky-Cap to restore her faith in the world she landed on and for them to become a team.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

so who was the women with the snakes?

 

[CaptainCanada]

so who was the women with the snakes?

Princess Python.

 

[Varient]

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hmmmn,.. I may start reading Captain America again,... I didn't know the Bucky from the Heroes return Earth had been transferred.

 

[The Geek Vault]

Lady Python, part of the circus of crime.