Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[ImWithTeamConan]

I'd say pull a Batwoman and have Cheung co-write with McKeever.

 

[CaptainCanada]

I'd say pull a Batwoman and have Cheung co-write with McKeever.

The last thing Cheung needs is more demands on his time. Doing five issues a year is work enough for him.

I think this thing is like...halfway done and it'll get announced when it's all done so it can ship biweekly.

They've said it'll be bimonthly, I believe starting in July.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

Sweet.

But damn...bimonthly? I hate bimonthly. Monthly's bad enough for an impatient dude like myself.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Bimonthly can mean twice a month or every two months. I always hated the imprecision of that word...

 

[CaptainCanada]

Bimonthly can mean twice a month or every two months. I always hated the imprecision of that word...

With Cheung and Heinberg, it's definitely the latter; generally "biweekly" (or "twice-a-month") is used to mean once every two weeks in comics.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

it seems like most people here don't like Heinberg. why not? I loved his first run. I like it about 4 trillion times better than anything McKeever has ever written.

 

[Dread]

does anyone really still care about YA as a series? Marvel completley dropped the ball on this. They had alot of momentum a few years back but it seemed to have fizzled down. I still like the characters but stopped waiting for an ongoing a long time ago. At this point, Id rather see them integrated into other titles kinda like they did with Stature and Vision.

I still care, but I do agree that Marvel has really dropped the ball on it. When issue twelve of their last ongoing shipped, it was still selling at some 60,000+ copies an issue. Some of the latest mini-series numbers were less than half that, at a higher cover price. I doubt the SIEGE one shot will fair much better. Stature & Vision Jr. branching out to the Mighty Avengers was good for them, but I don't think it'll have helped the YA any. Now is hardly a healthy time for spin off titles even under the best of situations. I mean, not even Wolverine spin-offs or one-shots are doing too hot these days.

I'd like another series featuring the whole team, but Heinberg and Cheung are in no way necessary for that, as far as I'm concerned. I understand showing an artist some latitude to work out their schedule, but it's been 2 or 3 years now since the last Young Avengers series. Time to move on and give the series to someone who'll prioritize it like it actually matters.

Agreed. For the record, the last Heinberg/Cheung issue of YA shipped on June 28th, 2006. And that issue had run months behind schedule. So, it has been almost four full years. For a full presidential term, Marvel has allowed this franchise to fester and lose luster.

I agree, Marvel should have, by 2007 or early 2008 at the latest, issued another writer to handle a second volume of their ongoing. It might have worked, especially off of THE INITIATIVE or whatnot. But that ship has long sailed. Now I really don't think retailers or the mainstream audience care about the YA or Heinberg in droves. I mean, it isn't like his last WONDER WOMAN issue lit the charts aflame.

Sean McKeever, Zeb Wells, Chrisos Gage, Ed Brubaker, hell, even Chris Yost, all probably could have handled the series fine enough.

Instead, Marvel chose a compromise between a few bad options. By only spitting out aimless mini's to "keep them alive", it merely highlights how inessential they are. They rank no higher than, say, MARVEL APES or TERROR, INC.

http://***********/allanheinberg/status/12077716700

Hahaha, I'll believe that when I see an issue on the stands for $3.99. Y'know, because I expect Marvel to reward whatever patient fans have waited 4 years for this by charging them as much as possible, the greedy dinks.

He'll write 5-6 issues and expect to be treated like a king for them. Cheung will need about 17 months lead in time just to release a bimonthly on schedule. Expect this to be a sales flop. At best the first issue will debut at 35,000 copies and the last will be out of the Top 100 at below 21,000.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

it seems like most people here don't like Heinberg. why not? I loved his first run. I like it about 4 trillion times better than anything McKeever has ever written.

What he's written of the Young Avengers was great. The problem is that it debuted 6 years ago. He then went off to make real money writing for TV--not a bad thing in and of itself. It's the fact that Marvel decided to wait for him to come back that galls me, especially when you consider that he made time to write Wonder Woman while he was still doing his TV work. So the fact that Heinberg didn't prioritize the Young Avengers enough to do anything with them for over half a decade and the fact that Marvel is indulging him by sitting around twiddling their thumbs until he deigns to return are what bug me about this situation. I understand respecting a creator's prerogative to write the story he envisioned, but at the end of the day, Marvel owns the characters and can--and should--give them to someone else if the creator hasn't shown that he's willing to play ball for a reasonable amount of time--which, in my opinion, would be far less than 6 years.

 

[Kevin]

I really wouldn't be surprised if Interest in the book dies because of the gaps. I will be surprised if I hear...

MARVEL: Sells for the book just wasn't enough for the book to be maintained monthly. The fans have voted with their pockets and there are no plans for the book in the near future.

 

[NightBeetle]

@ Cup 'o Joe

Allan Heinberg appeared on video to announce "Avengers: The Children's Crusade" – the follow up to "Young Avengers" by the entire original creative team including artist Jimmy Cheung. The bi-monthly, nine-issue limited series has seen six issues written already, and Heinberg promised that a cataclysmic event involving Wiccan forces him to find the Scarlet Witch and try to redeem her. He will find her, and the series will not only include the full cast of the Young Avengers as well as all the other Avengers teams from the A-Vengers to the New Avenges but members of the mutant community. The story will build on plot threads from "House of M" on through today, and the writer was excited to present new, unseen interactions between characters.

 

[RockSP]

especially when you consider that he made time to write Wonder Woman while he was still doing his TV work.

Well it's not like his WW run was smooth sailing either.

 

[Kevin]

Well it's not like his WW run was smooth sailing either.

Which makes it even funnier/sadder/upsetting.

 

[Iron Man]

Looks good, but I'll only believe it when I'm holding the issue in my hands. I wonder why Iron Man's wearing his now old armour on that cover.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Heinberg addressed that in the interview: They started work on the series 2 years ago, so rather than taking even more time to change those details, the costumes will just remain outdated.

 

[Iron Man]

Oh right. 2 years ago? They started work on a 9-issue series two years ago and they're not even finished? How is it possible to go that slow?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Heinberg probably wasn't doing much work on it since he prioritizes his TV work higher and treats comic-writing as little more than a hobby. Cheung's also a super-slow artist. He mentioned in the interview that, even though they apparently started working on the series 2 years ago and it's going to be bimonthly, he's still not actually done drawing it yet.

Basically, neither of the creators got their s*** together for this series until just recently, it seems.

 

[Iron Man]

It's a shame...the YA could hold up their own ongoing under the right (and timely) team.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe once The Children's Crusade is over, Marvel will realize that.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

slightly off topic, but whats Brian K. Vaughn doing right now? after his work on Runaways, I'd like to see him handle these guys. if he could handle both books at the same time, I would be one happy fanboy. sad that it'll probably never happen, though.

 

[Darthphere]

Hollywood ate him as well.

 

[Darthphere]

You know, I love Young Avengers and I was gonna trade wait this ***** out but by the looks of it, I'll be getting the trade 4 years from now.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

We'll probably only get the final issues 3 and a half years from now ourselves, knowing Heinberg's flakiness and Cheung's slowness.

 

[Darthphere]

How can two people be so slow at the same time? I mean, they have deadlines in Hollywood right?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Cheung ain't in Hollywood. He's just on Marvel's payroll, and Marvel likes to ignore deadlines and forget about fill-in artists because they happen to be run by an artist.

 

[CaptainCanada]

How can two people be so slow at the same time? I mean, they have deadlines in Hollywood right?

Well, yes, but Heinberg has to meet those deadlines too (and he gets paid a lot more to do it).

He's written five of the nine issues so far, and I think he's said he'd like to have the rest done by July, but given that #9 isn't due until November 2011, he has considerable space to miss that goal.