Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[Scarecrow_King]

They just **** fans along with all those mini's and one shots, including from last week, that amount to nothing?

I'm still trying to figure out what verb could possibly go there.

 

[spark627]

A story that waited 4 years, and they won't even get the costumes right?

This product, to me, tells you everything you need to know about Marvel. They are clearly a company that does not respect their medium, because they allow a TV writer to literally bring a "work for hire" franchise to a stand still for as long as George Bush's second term simply because he is busy with his "real job". The YOUNG AVENGERS sell in the pits now, and I would bet that this series won't sell where it was in 2005, even at $4 an issue. It will be lucky to debut at 45k and will dwindle every week, and likely finish at the bottom of the Top 100. It is a story that should have been done by another writer with Heinberg's notes credited via a "co-plotter" credit sometime in 2007, at latest. No one gives a rat's patootie about HOUSE OF M anymore except for Bendis and Heinberg. This is the same Marvel that has fought tooth and nail in the courts to deny due royalties to a slew of creators over the "work for hire" motto and then they turn around and literally put YA on hold for Heinberg all these years? They just **** fans along with all those mini's and one shots, including from last week, that amount to nothing?

It also shows that Marvel has no respect for their fans. The same fans they jerked around with ULTIMATE WOLVERINE VS. HULK. The same fans they feel will flock to DOCTOR VOODOO at $4. The fans should be so happy that this 4 years late storyline is coming that that they won't care that the costumes or continuity is all wrong. What, does Heinberg think he and Cheung were writing ****ing WATCHMEN!?

I really, really, really, really, REALLY should not be bothering with this. But then again, I shouldn't have bothered reading SIEGE, either. Which is why when Marvel does this, I can see the reason. Every time Marvel bets that their fans are ignorant fools who will be grateful for whatever slop they get, whether good or bad, they're always right.

Who said the minis and one-shots count for nothing? I think Heinberg said he is aware of all of that and will have the story reflect it.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I kinda wish he'd ignore them. I hate reading useless tie-ins and team ups done by creative teams that had nothing to do with the original series. and usually those tie-ins are only tangentially related to the big events that they're tying themselves in to. as much as i LOVE the characters, I can't bring myself to spend the money on them.

 

[Dread]

Well kudos to you sir for being honest.

I do try to be.

I'm still trying to figure out what verb could possibly go there.

It begins with "d" and rhymes with "ick".

Who said the minis and one-shots count for nothing? I think Heinberg said he is aware of all of that and will have the story reflect it.

I said because, let's be blunt, most if not all of the Young Avengers mini's and one shot's really haven't done much if anything to advance the characters beyond where they ended in YA #12. That issue ended with Eli and Kate having a relationship, and by and large they still are (and it is still awkward). Teddy seemingly got to meet his father Capt. Marvel, only it wasn't Mar-Vell, but a Skrull, who died. About all that has happened to Speed since is he ran into a girl he knew from juvie, and he happens to try hard to save people when he has to (YA: SIEGE). Kate apparently was class mates with (young) Executioner, who is the son of Princess Python (DARK REIGN: YA), a minor villain. Wiccan was trying to limit his outings as a hero, but has since abandoned that.

Stature and Vision have had the most fleshing, and what have we really learned? They're a couple now, but that is where they were heading as of YA #12. Vision likes to be called "Jonas". Stature is often level headed, at least compared with most of the Mighty Avengers. She still values her friendship with the Fantastic Four.

And while that is all handy for people who write Handbook Bio's, it really isn't major stuff. I left out two team-up's with the Runaways, since that really doesn't matter. They were in a few brawls, like Civil War or Secret Invasion, but again, those are details. Aside for that, they've been frozen in development limbo for most of the last four years, because apparently Marvel felt Heinberg was the only writer who could be allowed to handle them "for real". The result? Retailers and readers, methinks, saw their last few mini's and one shots as "not being important" and that is why sales have fallen off. I mean, not even a Brubaker one shot sold well.

I imagine we will read these issues, and think, "Not bad. But was this really beyond the skills of Zeb Wells? Or Sean McKeever? Or Chris Yost?" And, barring an Eisner award winning spectacle, I doubt it will be. Allen Heinberg's not all that, at least not to me, at least not anymore. All this is to me is yet another YA mini, only this time, "it counts", which is basically what the C2E2 promotion is saying. And isn't that an insult to all of the writers who did all those mini's, and handed in scripts on time? Hell, even Cheung kept showing up for covers within those four years. Heinberg couldn't even proof-read a script during the Writer's Strike.

My prediction is this will sell better than the last few YA materials, but not near the 60,000 copy average that their last ongoing averaged by the end. And Marvel will wonder why.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I kinda wish he'd ignore them. I hate reading useless tie-ins and team ups done by creative teams that had nothing to do with the original series. and usually those tie-ins are only tangentially related to the big events that they're tying themselves in to. as much as i LOVE the characters, I can't bring myself to spend the money on them.

I'd be annoyed if he ignored them. Contrary to whatever Joe Q's coddling and Heinberg's ego are telling Heinberg, the characters exist in a shared universe and are owned by Marvel, meaning anything Marvel publishes with them is valid as part of their canon.

 

[NightBeetle]

AVENGERS: THE CHILDREN'S CRUSADE #1 (of 9)
Written by ALLAN HEINBERG
Pencils & Cover by JIM CHEUNG
Women of Marvel Variant by JELENA-KEVIC DJURDJEVIC
The Young Avengers return in an epic, bi-monthly Marvel maxi-series by series creators Allan Heinberg and Jim Cheung. When Wiccan's reality-altering powers begin to rival those of the Scarlet Witch, the young hero sets out on a quest to find her that spans the Marvel Universe and pits Wiccan against both the Avengers and the Young Avengers. But will Wiccan's desire to solve the mystery of his parentage be his salvation or his undoing? This self-contained Marvel maxi-series reintroduces and redefines the Young Avengers and the Scarlet Witch for the Heroic Age and is essential reading for any Avengers fan.
32 PGS./Bi-Monthly/Rated T+ …$3.99

 

[spark627]

I can't believe it is actually happening! I LOVE the cover, it is stunning. So happy to see a Wiccan based story.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

DAYUM, Cheung draws a great Wanda.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Cheung draws a great everyone....

 

[Anubis]

Meh.

 

[Mogwai]

are any of the mini-series featuring the YA worth reading? i have the 2 main tpbs and was just wondering.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

^Pretty much everything except for Dark Reign: YA. That was boring and pointless, I only bought it to contribute to the franchise. So I'd look into both crossovers with the Runaways.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I loves me some Young Avengers and some Paul Cornell, but yeah, Dark Reign: Young Avengers was not very good. It wasn't a bad story or anything, but it focused mostly on the very uninteresting Young Masters and felt pretty pointless when all was said and done.

I'm still deciding whether I'll actually pick up The Children's Crusade. It might be good, but it has like 4 strikes against it before the first issue's even hit the stands--took forever to start, bi-monthly, Cheung's not finished so it'll most likely be delayed even more, it was in development so long that now it has to exist in its own little continuity bubble. Maybe I'll just wait a year or two until it's actually finished and pick up the trade.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Corp, I'll buy it for you and mail it to you

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

Aww, the bromance is taking the next step!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Corp, I'll buy it for you and mail it to you

Uh... 'kay. Kind of weird, but I'm not one to turn down free comics.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I just wanna show Marvel there's a demand for the franchise. I'll buy the next 5 people to reply copies too

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Spoons is rolling in dough, apparently. Quick, someone rob his ass!

 

[Havok83]

I miss Iron Lad. I hope he returns though I doubt it

 

[RockSP]

The grown up version will definitely show up. Heh heh.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

Since Corp doesn't count, I'm third!

Yay!!!!!!!!

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Gather 'round, kids

 

[Mogwai]

i think i'm just going to pick up 'young avengers presents.'

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I forgot all about those solo books. Some were good and some were mediocre, but I hope you enjoy.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

Am I the only one happy about a free copy of YA:TCC?

Geez people, show some enthusiasm.