Okay... Who else loved Logan vs. Jean

[antariksh]

i loved it

it was awesome!!!!

hell X3 was awesome!!

THAT ONE SCENE was 10 times better than those X1+X2=POS bryan singer made.

 

[bruja_escarlata]

It was rushed though. We get some cool SFX but we should have seen some more ineraction. Him breaking through to her long enough for them to say some things and take your time in this good bye. It had no finesse or style it was just, "Okay Logan kills Jean now." It was essientially the ending to Van Helsing.

What a waste!

Well, at least he says he is doing it for her, that he loves her...I know some people argued that he could not love her...but just imagine the scene without those words...it would be Logan regenerating himself, reaching her and killing her with a "oops, sorry, Jean"

The love moment was better than nothing....could have been longer, that would have been great....still a very cool scene....not as cool as Logan and scott grieving over Jeans death in X2 (I love X2)

 

[Optic Rage]

hated every moment of it..and logans nooooooooo was yet another kick in the face.

 

[undomiel]

I actually prefer the Wolvie/Jean relationship to the Cykes/Jean one only because Cykes is about and dull as dishwater, and I believe deep down inside Jean, she's always want to be with Logan, but has always viewed it as the bad choice. The Wolvie/Jean relationship just has a lot more chemistry and it's a bit more believeable to me personally.

Being that the Phoenix is a part of Jean, and a deep alter-ego, it was only showing Jeans deepest desires, and that was to be with Logan.

YYEESSS!!! Finally, some one else who gets it! I, too, think Jean has deep, deep, repressed desire to be with Logan. When she first met him, it was too late -- she was already engaged to Scott, so she fights these feelings hard because she is a very decent person who is determined to do the right thing. I'm not saying she doesn't love Scott, but that she (very inconveniently) fell in love with Logan, too. But she must sacrifice one of these loves, so she chooses to sacrifice her feelings for Logan, and that is why she pushes him away in X2 when he kisses her. It's not at all because she doesn't like him -- she must push him away because she does! And you're right, SuperT -- Jean views Logan as the bad choice. He's certainly not the safe choice -- he's one angry, dangerous, unreliable guy with a history of violence. Sca-ry! But intriguing, even fascinating, especially to a nice quiet girl like Jean Grey who's probably never been exposed to anyone like him in all her years at the school.

And what is all this talk about "why does Logan love Jean"? Why does any one person fall in love with another? They just do, that's all -- would it be better if he had all kinds of calculating reasons? We never get the chance to hear Wolvie talk about why he loves her, but we can assume from his actions that he does. I loved that X3 demonstrated, yet again, what I have been saying all along -- that Wolverine truly loves Jean and puts her well-being before his own desires. Yes, he desperately wants to make love to her -- but that's because he's desperately in love with her. He would do anything for her!

But to answer the question, I think if you want to understand why Logan loves Jean, you have to understand Logan's character. Unlike many classic heroes, Logan is not filled with good will towards all men. Some he hates, some he could care less about. But Logan has this peculiar capacity for love. Once again, we could draw analogies with his animal-like characteristics. Some animals hate all humans, some are indifferent, and some love a select few, but usually with great intensity. Logan is like the latter -- he loves a few people with great intensity. Remember his relationship with Rogue. After only spending a short time with her, Logan and Rogue were captured. Even though his interactions with her up to that point indicated nothing but irritation with her, he is deeply concerned when he finds her missing, and he eventually risks his life to save her. Why? Because he loves her like a friend and kind of like a father. But exactly what made him love her? In one sense, who knows? Something just clicked between them, and they were friends. It's the same with Jean -- something just clicked between them in that mysterious way that it does, and there you have it -- true love.

 

[ororoandme]

It should have been Scott vs Jean...and the scene should've been more dialogue heavy

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

YYEESSS!!! Finally, some one else who gets it! I, too, think Jean has deep, deep, repressed desire to be with Logan. When she first met him, it was too late -- she was already engaged to Scott, so she fights these feelings hard because she is a very decent person who is determined to do the right thing. I'm not saying she doesn't love Scott, but that she (very inconveniently) fell in love with Logan, too. But she must sacrifice one of these loves, so she chooses to sacrifice her feelings for Logan, and that is why she pushes him away in X2 when he kisses her. It's not at all because she doesn't like him -- she must push him away because she does! And you're right, SuperT -- Jean views Logan as the bad choice. He's certainly not the safe choice -- he's one angry, dangerous, unreliable guy with a history of violence. Sca-ry! But intriguing, even fascinating, especially to a nice quiet girl like Jean Grey who's probably never been exposed to anyone like him in all her years at the school.

And what is all this talk about "why does Logan love Jean"? Why does any one person fall in love with another? They just do, that's all -- would it be better if he had all kinds of calculating reasons? We never get the chance to hear Wolvie talk about why he loves her, but we can assume from his actions that he does. I loved that X3 demonstrated, yet again, what I have been saying all along -- that Wolverine truly loves Jean and puts her well-being before his own desires. Yes, he desperately wants to make love to her -- but that's because he's desperately in love with her. He would do anything for her!

But to answer the question, I think if you want to understand why Logan loves Jean, you have to understand Logan's character. Unlike many classic heroes, Logan is not filled with good will towards all men. Some he hates, some he could care less about. But Logan has this peculiar capacity for love. Once again, we could draw analogies with his animal-like characteristics. Some animals hate all humans, some are indifferent, and some love a select few, but usually with great intensity. Logan is like the latter -- he loves a few people with great intensity. Remember his relationship with Rogue. After only spending a short time with her, Logan and Rogue were captured. Even though his interactions with her up to that point indicated nothing but irritation with her, he is deeply concerned when he finds her missing, and he eventually risks his life to save her. Why? Because he loves her like a friend and kind of like a father. But exactly what made him love her? In one sense, who knows? Something just clicked between them, and they were friends. It's the same with Jean -- something just clicked between them in that mysterious way that it does, and there you have it -- true love.

Probably not true love, but in a way, Great Post. Pretty much summed up how I feel. thanx. And I am one of those ppl who understand Logan. I also understand Scott too. but thats just me... EMO EMO..

anyway... I felt the scene in X3 was really emotional and powerful. Atleast he admitted his feelings for her. Jean didn't have to say I love you but all I wanted for Jean to say was "save Me..." her voice sounded like the Jean we loved...man. Famke was amazing.

 

[D-scythe]

YYEESSS!!! Finally, some one else who gets it! I, too, think Jean has deep, deep, repressed desire to be with Logan. When she first met him, it was too late -- she was already engaged to Scott, so she fights these feelings hard because she is a very decent person who is determined to do the right thing. I'm not saying she doesn't love Scott, but that she (very inconveniently) fell in love with Logan, too. But she must sacrifice one of these loves, so she chooses to sacrifice her feelings for Logan, and that is why she pushes him away in X2 when he kisses her. It's not at all because she doesn't like him -- she must push him away because she does! And you're right, SuperT -- Jean views Logan as the bad choice. He's certainly not the safe choice -- he's one angry, dangerous, unreliable guy with a history of violence. Sca-ry! But intriguing, even fascinating, especially to a nice quiet girl like Jean Grey who's probably never been exposed to anyone like him in all her years at the school.

And what is all this talk about "why does Logan love Jean"? Why does any one person fall in love with another? They just do, that's all -- would it be better if he had all kinds of calculating reasons? We never get the chance to hear Wolvie talk about why he loves her, but we can assume from his actions that he does. I loved that X3 demonstrated, yet again, what I have been saying all along -- that Wolverine truly loves Jean and puts her well-being before his own desires. Yes, he desperately wants to make love to her -- but that's because he's desperately in love with her. He would do anything for her!

But to answer the question, I think if you want to understand why Logan loves Jean, you have to understand Logan's character. Unlike many classic heroes, Logan is not filled with good will towards all men. Some he hates, some he could care less about. But Logan has this peculiar capacity for love. Once again, we could draw analogies with his animal-like characteristics. Some animals hate all humans, some are indifferent, and some love a select few, but usually with great intensity. Logan is like the latter -- he loves a few people with great intensity. Remember his relationship with Rogue. After only spending a short time with her, Logan and Rogue were captured. Even though his interactions with her up to that point indicated nothing but irritation with her, he is deeply concerned when he finds her missing, and he eventually risks his life to save her. Why? Because he loves her like a friend and kind of like a father. But exactly what made him love her? In one sense, who knows? Something just clicked between them, and they were friends. It's the same with Jean -- something just clicked between them in that mysterious way that it does, and there you have it -- true love.

Well, X3 was basically the culmination of a trilogy worth of bias towards Logan. It shouldn't be surprising that it applies to Jean's love for Scott as well.

 

[Radagast_Prime]

i loved it

it was awesome!!!!

hell X3 was awesome!!

THAT ONE SCENE was 10 times better than those X1+X2=POS bryan singer made.

I Hated it

It was terrible

That one scene was a slap in the face to all Cyke and DP saga fans.

 

[Hulkster]

I hated that scene too, and when Wolverine said that he's the only one that can stop her,it's Bull****.

 

[Spidey 2007]

i didnt finish reading the nonsense, but im pretty sure scott would have not made it through the blazing hellfire of power the pheonix was throwing at wolverine. scott doesnt "heal as fast as logan.." lol. im sure it would have been spectacular, but it was a great scene non the less. im a diehard cyclops fan, but i really liked the way this played out. its the movies. tis an adaptation, not everything has to be like the comics, it never was since X1. i cant understand why people think this is a slap in the face.. lol. its not. you might aswell say X1 and 2 were slaps in the face aswell.

hell, even batman begins, isnt exactly like the comics/novels.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

i didnt finish reading the nonsense, but im pretty sure scott would have not made it through the blazing hellfire of power the pheonix was throwing at wolverine. scott doesnt "heal as fast as logan.." lol. im sure it would have been spectacular, but it was a great scene non the less. im a diehard cyclops fan, but i really liked the way this played out. its the movies. tis an adaptation, not everything has to be like the comics, it never was since X1. i cant understand why people think this is a slap in the face.. lol. its not. you might aswell say X1 and 2 were slaps in the face aswell.

hell, even batman begins, isnt exactly like the comics/novels.

Dude!! well said. I agree 100%

 

[Sasquatch]

In that end scene it wasn't Wolverine vs. The Phoenix... it was Jean against Logan... did anyone else think that scene was FNING AWESOME?!?! I mean God the man's flesh is getting torn up and he keeps moving toward her... showing his love for her obviously i thought that was the single greatest shot/scene i had ever seen out of the 3 x-men films... the same goes for when Xavier dies and Wolverine is using his claws to climb around and he sees Xavier go.. I was obsessed with those two scenes they make me want to see it again!

All around it sucked.

If you're going to have Phoenix in a movie she had better be THE MAIN villain.... nay.. the ONLY villain. Way too powerful of a being to be a henchman.
Sucked, sucked, sucked.

 

[Hulkster]

i didnt finish reading the nonsense, but im pretty sure scott would have not made it through the blazing hellfire of power the pheonix was throwing at wolverine. scott doesnt "heal as fast as logan.." lol. im sure it would have been spectacular, but it was a great scene non the less. im a diehard cyclops fan, but i really liked the way this played out. its the movies. tis an adaptation, not everything has to be like the comics, it never was since X1. i cant understand why people think this is a slap in the face.. lol. its not. you might aswell say X1 and 2 were slaps in the face aswell.



hell, even batman begins, isnt exactly like the comics/novels.

Ok enough with your nonsense, I never did like X1, X2 & X3, because it's all about Wolverine, Imagine a Justice League movie and Batman is leading the team and Batman saying all of Superman's words like up up and away and he commands Superman and Superman dies at the first 20-25 min. Imagine how ugly is that. That's what's X3 is all about, it's Bull****.

 

[BMM]

I actually thought Jean and Logan in the infirmary was more intriguing than their final confrontation. I wouldn't really classify the end as a "vs." matchup as Wolverine pretty much just walked up to her and stabbed her . . . which I don't really get . . . Jean handed Wolverine's a** to him with the bat of an eye in the infirmary, but was hardly able to stop him when actually exerting herself.

 

['N']

the music, him crawling towards her, the acting the lines, youd die for them, no, not for them, for you, then i love you,snikt. ****ing beautiful. would it have been as good if clops was there? well never know...

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm surprised after 3 pages that people here are actually talking about JEAN vs. Logan, when what we've seen in X1 and X2 was clearly never the *true* Jean.

Ladies and Gents: We must remember that X1 and X2's "Jean" was a biproduct of Xavier's manipulation. The calm, controlled version was brought to the fore via his training and mental blocks.

The "Jean" we saw at the end of X3 was a total match personality-wise to the Young Jean Grey we were introduced to at the film's outset: Rebellious, defiant, somewhat disrespectful and full of life and rage. THAT was the "Jean" that subconciously was always drawn to Logan; therefore the attachment X1/X2's "Jean" had to Scott was as superficial as the pseudo-facade Xavier produced in her over the years.

So while the surface Jean loved Scott dearly, we have to admit that that person was GONE in X3. Don't believe me? Well, if that "Jean" was anywhere near reality Professor X--the man whose forehead she kissed compassionately as a father figure--wouldn't have been demolecularized.

Bottom line: The real "Jean" HATED Charles Xavier...and had likely done so from childhood. She resented him and all that he stood for. Subtract his cunning mental blocks and all of that came to the fore. So what does that say for whatever loving attachment she had for Scott Summers? It's all superficial my friends...all of those relationships were based on a lie.

Something to think about.

 

[D-scythe]

I'm surprised after 3 pages that people here are actually talking about JEAN vs. Logan, when what we've seen in X1 and X2 was clearly never the *true* Jean.

Ladies and Gents: We must remember that X1 and X2's "Jean" was a biproduct of Xavier's manipulation. The calm, controlled version was brought to the fore via his training and mental blocks.

The "Jean" we saw at the end of X3 was a total match personality-wise to the Young Jean Grey we were introduced to at the film's outset: Rebellious, defiant, somewhat disrespectful and full of life and rage. THAT was the "Jean" that subconciously was always drawn to Logan; therefore the attachment X1/X2's "Jean" had to Scott was as superficial as the pseudo-facade Xavier produced in her over the years.

So while the surface Jean loved Scott dearly, we have to admit that that person was GONE in X3. Don't believe me? Well, if that "Jean" was anywhere near reality Professor X--the man whose forehead she kissed compassionately as a father figure--wouldn't have been demolecularized.

Bottom line: The real "Jean" HATED Charles Xavier...and had likely done so from childhood. She resented him and all that he stood for. Subtract his cunning mental blocks and all of that came to the fore. So what does that say for whatever loving attachment she had for Scott Summers? It's all superficial my friends...all of those relationships were based on a lie.

Something to think about.

Nothing to think about. It's just your opinion. Xavier never mind-controlled Jean, just put in mental blocks. Jean coulda very well fell in love with Scott for Scott.

And "bad" Jean never told Logan she loved him either (despite many instances where she coulda done so), but you conveniently omitted that fact.

The "Jean" we saw at the end of X3 was a total match personality-wise to the Young Jean Grey we were introduced to at the film's outset: Rebellious, defiant, somewhat disrespectful and full of life and rage.

The 616 Jean is not like that. Spontaneous, proud, exuberant, out-going maybe, but rebellious? Defiant? But this is the movies, meh.

Oh yeah Lightning, it was established she was schizophrenic too. Thanks for leaving that part out as well. But hey, whatever matches your opinion right?

 

[mizeidman]

People keep complaining about how powerful she is and how she could have killed him in an instant and all that other crap.

what you forget is the vengeful nature of the phoenix. She wasnt trying to kill him. She wanted to see exactly how far he would go, how hard he would try. She says to him "you would die for them?" She is clearly playing with him. She knows he loves her and that she can torture him with it.

Now it just so happens that Logan's response gives Jean the break she needs to take over again for a moment, thereby dropping her own defenses. She asks him to save her, and he does, she is no longer stuck powerless in her own body.

in summation: the scene was kick ass. yes phoenix could have killed him in an instant, but phoenix wanted to torture him, test him, play with him. Isnt that more fun dramatically anyways?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

...now that u said that...makes sense.

 

[D-scythe]

People keep complaining about how powerful she is and how she could have killed him in an instant and all that other crap.

what you forget is the vengeful nature of the phoenix. She wasnt trying to kill him. She wanted to see exactly how far he would go, how hard he would try. She says to him "you would die for them?" She is clearly playing with him. She knows he loves her and that she can torture him with it.

Now it just so happens that Logan's response gives Jean the break she needs to take over again for a moment, thereby dropping her own defenses. She asks him to save her, and he does, she is no longer stuck powerless in her own body.

in summation: the scene was kick ass. yes phoenix could have killed him in an instant, but phoenix wanted to torture him, test him, play with him. Isnt that more fun dramatically anyways?

So then, by your logic, why wouldn't Phoenix want to torture/test/play with Scott? The only reason why people bring up the fact that Phoenix coulda killed Logan with a thought is because others are saying it never would work with Scott.

See how the Logan/Jean shippers contradict themselves?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

...

 

[mizeidman]

So then, by your logic, why wouldn't Phoenix want to torture/test/play with Scott? The only reason why people bring up the fact that Phoenix coulda killed Logan with a thought is because others are saying it never would work with Scott.

See how the Logan/Jean shippers contradict themselves?

If you just got a fighter jet, would you accelerate to 600 slowly the first time? I think not.

Phoenix had just taken over jeans body, and wasnt about to slowly test drive her powers. Use them fully the first time, then toy around.

 

[D-scythe]

...

Something I said?

It's true though. Think about it.

Pro-Scott: It shoulda been Scott there for Jean.

Pro-Logan: He woulda never made it, cause no healing factor.

Pro-Scott: Phoenix coulda killed Logan with a thought, just like she demolecularized everything else instantly.

Pro-Logan: But she didn't because he was testing/playing with him.

Pro-Scott: So why couldn't Phoenix toy with Scott?

Pretty sure who won that one.

If you just got a fighter jet, would you accelerate to 600 slowly the first time? I think not.

Phoenix had just taken over jeans body, and wasnt about to slowly test drive her powers. Use them fully the first time, then toy around.

Um, yes? That's what fighter jets do. Go fast. BTW, 600mph is NOT fast for a fighter jet. Just so you know.

And in your Phoenix argument...she's still toying with Logan right? So again, why can't she toy with Scott?

 

[Loganbabe]

^^Great post Lightning! It´s funny how people can´t see it...

But exactly what made him love her? In one sense, who knows? Something just clicked between them, and they were friends. It's the same with Jean -- something just clicked between them in that mysterious way that it does, and there you have it -- true love.

That´s exactly what I think! Why do people expect reasoning when it comes to love? Why do you love someone? Why Logan loved Jean? Like you said, something clicked and that was it. Maybe some kinds of love can be explained, but not all of them.
Ok, never on X3 it´s mentioned that Jean loved Logan. I don´t think it´s important. He loved her, yes, but Jean...who knows? I personally don´t know, and I don´t care either. The fact is that her Dark Phoenix persona was deeply attracted to him on a primal, carnal and yes - even destructive, level. The idea of love (or, to use a more "phoenix" word, passion) and death combined isn´t anything new when it comes to romantic literature and it worked wonderfully in X3.
Oh yes, I loved the scene!

Pro-Scott: So why couldn't Phoenix toy with Scott?

Pretty sure who won that one.

She toyed with him. She asked him to remove his glasses and that everything would be all right. Even if we only saw the black-eyed Phoenix when she was kissing him, of course the Phoenix persona was already in command when she said that. "Remove your glasses, I can take it!" It wasn´t "Jean" speaking at all.

 

[D-scythe]

^^Great post Lightning! It´s funny how people can´t see it...

And it's funny how some people are seeing things that just aren't there. And judging from your name, it's obvious who you're rooting for

BTW, I'm an X-man fan. I'd be equally critical if Scott replaced Logan in a Weapon X story. Just so you all know.