Old MCU Fantastic Four Discussion Thread

[Dark Raven]

Reese is not 34 anymore. She is 42. If people are saying even 40s is too old for Reed (which I don't think it is), then there's no chance they will have a 42-year old Sue who would be in her mid 40s by the time they even started filming anything.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Reese is not 34 anymore. She is 42. If people are saying even 40s is too old for Reed (which I don't think it is), then there's no chance they will have a 42-year old Sue who would be in her mid 40s by the time they even started filming anything.

I think it's far more likely Reese Witherspoon would accept a role if offered, than it is Marvel would offer her the role to start.

 

[HBarnill]

She’s 42!? She could easily pass as someone a decade younger. Wow.

From what I gathered, she said that 8 years ago when superhero movies weren’t the biggest thing ever. She’s even admitted to loving Wonder Woman and Black Panther, so who knows? Rather this than another Legally Blonde.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah Reese looks way younger than she is. And I think how old they look, or how old they can be made to look and convincingly play on screen, is more important than their actual age.

 

[THORin]

I personally want a slightly older Sue.

 

[Abudefduf]

Lately I've been trying to come up with a satisfying way to introduce Franklin into the MCU, but so far with no success. All I know is that I never want to find myself watching a little kid try to act like he has superpowers on the big screen.

 

[Zarex]

Lately I've been trying to come up with a satisfying way to introduce Franklin into the MCU, but so far with no success. All I know is that I never want to find myself watching a little kid try to act like he has superpowers on the big screen.

Franklin has had his vast powers suppressed in the comics via Reed's infamous "coma-gun" back in the 70s and by sharing a room with Leech during Hickman's Future Foundation run. Given his vast power levels, he isn't allowed to use his abilities unless absolutely necessary. I always thought it would be cool to show as a final reveal in a movie, like say Galactus is devouring the earth but gets the hell out of Dodge once L'il Franklin's eyes start glowing.

 

[Crimz]

Lately I've been trying to come up with a satisfying way to introduce Franklin into the MCU, but so far with no success. All I know is that I never want to find myself watching a little kid try to act like he has superpowers on the big screen.

All I know is that I don't him around in the first film yet. Wait to bring him and his sister into the films so that we can see the family grow.

 

[Zarex]

All I know is that I don't him around in the first film yet. Wait to bring him and his sister into the films so that we can see the family grow.

I would prefer we see the whole crew from the start, with Franklin and Valeria part of the team. Adding a son with godlike powers and a daughter with greater-than-Reed intelligence (and Victor's moral compass) would be an clear break from the two earlier adaptations and help to give the FF the family dynamic that has been missing.

 

[Jordacar]

Franklin's another reason I'd like to see FF done as a series rather than one film at a time.

 

[Zarex]

Franklin's another reason I'd like to see FF done as a series rather than one film at a time.

Live action would be awfully difficult to pull off due to the cost. But I could certainly go for a CGI in-continuity MCU FF series on the new Disney streaming service.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I would love for a phase threat to be Franklin Richard's. It would be a huge story that would pose Franklin as a universal threat to all time and space. It would introduce kang the conquer and help set the stage for young avengers. It could have doom and kang working together with doom having his own motivations and both of them thinking themselves the hero of the story. It starts as a mystery as to why Franklin is the real threat. and unravels as the phase comes to a close.

 

[Detective Conan]

The FF is better served on film imo. A live-action show wouldn't do it justice unless they spend the same amount of money as they are spending on the Star Wars show for the streaming service.

 

[Crimz]

I would prefer we see the whole crew from the start, with Franklin and Valeria part of the team. Adding a son with godlike powers and a daughter with greater-than-Reed intelligence (and Victor's moral compass) would be an clear break from the two earlier adaptations and help to give the FF the family dynamic that has been missing.

That should be built up to. We should get to know the main 4 first and foremost. Having Franklin and Valeria already in the film takes away from the 4, using them too quickly will lose a lot of development. Part of what made the FF great was seeing the team and family change and grow, having them already like they are presently in the comics will erase a lot of that. In my opinion it would be a mistake to have Franklin and Valeria in there from the start. I don't even want Reed and Sue married yet, just engaged.

 

[Crimz]

Franklin's another reason I'd like to see FF done as a series rather than one film at a time.

Making them a show instead of film would be Marvel saying that the team isn't important enough and can't handle the movie treatment. TV shows aren't treated or received the same way as films and do not attract as big of an audience. Galactus, Doom, and Annihilus will definitely be in films so they will be separated them from their best villains. Plus a tv budget can not do a both the superpower and cosmic elements of the team. Ben and Johnny would look terrible and they would constantly stay in New York (so basically the Fox films).

I think that there should be a cartoon (that is not based on the film) as well as the live-action film series. The cartoon can do the long-form storytelling in it's own animated universe. That way we'd have a (hopefully) good cartoon to watch in-between films that does stuff and goes to places the MCU films can't.

 

[Jordacar]

Live action would be awfully difficult to pull off due to the cost. But I could certainly go for a CGI in-continuity MCU FF series on the new Disney streaming service.

I'd be down for something like BBC Sherlock, where we get 3 or more likely 4 feature-length adventures each season, but hopefully without the years-long breaks in between.

Most of the MCU TV shows are reaching their natural ends, so I'm expecting they'll tweak the configuration of their TV universe pretty soon. The FF might be a cool way to bridge the two formats, or shift the focus to flagship characters that they couldn't use before. I feel the same way about X-Men, although they could benefit more from the serialized TV-style, while FF would be more adventure-of-the-week.

There's certainly production costs to consider, and making Thing look good is my biggest concern on that front. But watching and enjoying the new "Lost in Space" (not to mention all the flashy DC shows) has me convinced that an FF series is at least on the cusp of doable.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm torn because I want to see them go from not knowing one another to becoming the FF we know so we can see the individuals and team develop and grow and change. And I'd like to see the marriage, pregnancy, kids growing up, etc.

But there's no realistic way we're going to get all that, and we'll likely be lucky to get 4 or 5 films before there's some sort of reboot.

But I'm thinking the best way would be to start at the beginning and see how things go. Maybe they'll get somewhere before they reboot, maybe not, but then they can either pick up where they left off or start more in the middle with a reboot.

But I definitely don't want to see them start Franklin and Val as teenagers. We will have missed way to many interesting things if they start there.

 

[Jordacar]

I'm torn because I want to see them go from not knowing one another to becoming the FF we know so we can see the individuals and team develop and grow and change. And I'd like to see the marriage, pregnancy, kids growing up, etc.

But there's no realistic way we're going to get all that, and we'll likely be lucky to get 4 or 5 films before there's some sort of reboot.

But I'm thinking the best way would be to start at the beginning and see how things go. Maybe they'll get somewhere before they reboot, maybe not, but then they can either pick up where they left off or start more in the middle with a reboot.

But I definitely don't want to see them start Franklin and Val as teenagers. We will have missed way to many interesting things if they start there.

Hey, no need to panic. They don't have to show everything in order. The MCU certainly hasn't done it that way. The flashbacks have flashbacks.

My version opens with them already on the spaceship to check out the cosmic rays. As things unfold, they can jump around as needed, showing Doom's backstory, Reed and Ben's first meeting, Jonny & Sue as kids. If they really wanna get bold, they could open a movie/season with Reed telling little Franklin a bedtime story, like that iconic scene from Mark Waid's run, all before we get to see Franklin's birth.

 

[Silvermoth]

I reckon you can still do the passage of time with movies. In fact it would actually work well with sequels and trilogies etc. I really don’t think tv could do that delicious kirby art justice.

Reese is not 34 anymore. She is 42. If people are saying even 40s is too old for Reed (which I don't think it is), then there's no chance they will have a 42-year old Sue who would be in her mid 40s by the time they even started filming anything.

She looks like she’s like 12 though. She can do anything. It’s not like sue does martial arts or something. I mean how old is Robert Downey Jnr, like 68?

I personally want a slightly older Sue.

Same, I reckon that would add to her First Lady status. Plus if they introduce Crystal you can see a real contrast between the two

 

[Crimz]

I reckon you can still do the passage of time with movies. In fact it would actually work well with sequels and trilogies etc. I really don’t think tv could do that delicious kirby art justice.



She looks like she’s like 12 though. She can do anything. It’s not like sue does martial arts or something. I mean how old is Robert Downey Jnr, like 68?



Same, I reckon that would add to her First Lady status. Plus if they introduce Crystal you can see a real contrast between the two

 

[Crimz]

I think Sue should be in her early to late thirties and grow into the woman we know in the comics today. It would be a waste to skip all the possible development by having her starting out as an older woman with all the experience. Same goes for Johnny which is why I dislike fancasts that have him in his thirties.

We want to be with these characters for at least 10 years and see them develop and grow, starting out already fully developed would be a mistake. That's why I don't want the kids until one of the sequels, starting with them misses so many potential stories.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Frankly this sort of thing annoys me. Everybody in the Marvel universe is brilliant, everybody is an expert fighter etc. etc. etc.

Sue should have some physical ability and be able to take care of herself, but I don't think she should be a martial-arts expert. Leave that to other characters. She has force-fields that could put the world's best martial artist down with the slightest thought.

 

[Crimz]

Frankly this sort of thing annoys me. Everybody in the Marvel universe is brilliant, everybody is an expert fighter etc. etc. etc.

Sue should have some physical ability and be able to take care of herself, but I don't think she should be a martial-arts expert. Leave that to other characters. She has force-fields that could put the world's best martial artist down with the slightest thought.

She doesn't and shouldn't be the best martial artist ever, but some combat training is necessary for every hero imo. I'm happy with her being a proficient martial artist in the comics because at the beginning she never had force-fields. It made sense for her to learn self defense when all she could do was turn invisible and simply just carry on with that training even after she gained force-fields.
That doesn't have to happen in the films at all. All I want is more interesting and involved movement when using her powers than just standing around flailing her arms. I highlighted how I think it should be portrayed earlier in this thread: MCU Fantastic Four - Part 1

 

[Zarex]

I'm torn because I want to see them go from not knowing one another to becoming the FF we know so we can see the individuals and team develop and grow and change. And I'd like to see the marriage, pregnancy, kids growing up, etc.

But there's no realistic way we're going to get all that, and we'll likely be lucky to get 4 or 5 films before there's some sort of reboot.

But I'm thinking the best way would be to start at the beginning and see how things go. Maybe they'll get somewhere before they reboot, maybe not, but then they can either pick up where they left off or start more in the middle with a reboot.

But I definitely don't want to see them start Franklin and Val as teenagers. We will have missed way to many interesting things if they start there.

After multiple failures Feige and company need to put their best foot forward with the third (fourth including Corman) reboot. And though I have great fondness for the days when the core four were the headliners, in my opinion the best version of the team includes precocious grade schoolers Franklin and Val. I say skip the origin, the wedding (Remember when ROTSS revolved around preparation for Reed & Sue's wedding? BRILLIANT!!!) and the pregnancies and start off with an extended family that includes folks like Agatha Harkness, Wyatt Wingfoot and Alicia Masters.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

After multiple failures Feige and company need to put their best foot forward with the third (fourth including Corman) reboot. And though I have great fondness for the days when the core four were the headliners, in my opinion the best version of the team includes precocious grade schoolers Franklin and Val. I say skip the origin, the wedding (Remember when ROTSS revolved around preparation for Reed & Sue's wedding? BRILLIANT!!!) and the pregnancies and start off with an extended family that includes folks like Agatha Harkness, Wyatt Wingfoot and Alicia Masters.

Agatha Harkness is something I'm really looking forward too.

The problem is, I want to see it all. I want to see Reed, Doom and Ben in College (though that detail could certainly be done in flashback if it isn't included in other, pre-FF films). I want to see Reed and Sue's relationship develop. I want to see Ben meet Alicia and Johnny meet Crystal, and I want to see the anticipation of Franklin's birth etc. etc. etc.., but we're obviously not going to get all that, so I'm okay if they start in the middle. And in some ways, I like the idea of them starting off as an incredibly powerful, experienced team.

But part of it all depends on how they're going to integrate them into this already established world. If we start with a 'mature' team in this MCU, won't that be a problem? If they've been doing it for 8-9 years or more, where were they when Thanos was attacking? It almost seems like they'd have to either do a retro, mature FF, or start from the beginning.

... unless they skip ahead and create a Marvel + 10 type universe... which could actually be sort of cool... but also create some problems.