Old MCU Fantastic Four Discussion Thread

[Dark Raven]

Why Marvel Prioritized a Fantastic Four Reboot Over X-Men | Den of Geek

 

[Dark Raven]

Thanks! I wish we had a director I could get more excited about, but I’m remaining optimistic and I can’t wait until we start getting some casting, set-photos etc.


... and yeah, as I’ve seen a few people ask, where is our FF forum?

We need an FF forum now surely. It has a director attached. I don't think it needs stars or even actual filming to begin for us to have a forum.

And let's not forget how Marvel's Most Wanted and Cyborg had forums for quite a while.

 

[Spider-Fan]

If you had a choice between: Taika W, James G and Watts, who would you take?

Personally, I would want other options, but between those three, I’d take Watts. My biggest fear is a “goofy” FF, and I’d be afraid JG or TW would try to turn it into a comedy.

I’ve been doing a lot of rationalizing from last night into this morning. Watts isn’t my first choice... or my third choice... or my tenth choice, but I trust Marvel and Feige.

Marvel could have literally had any director they wanted and they know Watts and they chose Watts.

I’m sure they interviewed many potential directors, some of whom we likely would have been much more excited about than Watts, but he got the job.

What did he say or do to convince them he was right? Did he say things that convinced them he really “got it”? I hope and suspect so.

I’m going to try to sit back and see what happens with an open mind.

I’m willing to admit I was literally excited by Trank’s talent right up until the moment we heard Miles Teller was going to play Reed and it got ugly from there.

I’m hoping Watts will go the opposite way. As we learn more about his vision for the FF, we’ll get more solidly behind him.

Like I say, Feige has looked him in the eye and heard his take on the FF, but we haven’t, so I’ll trust Feige saw something that will excite us when we know more.

I think James Gunn would be great. He has kind of toyed with some FF esque themes with his GotG movies, but would that maybe be too similar for him? Taika I like sticking with Thor.

Watts is not my pick either. Would I have loved someone like an Adam McKay or someone like that? Boy howdy yes. But Watts is much better than say Peyton Reed, IMO

 

[Spider-Fan]

On the topic of FF forum, patience guys lol

 

[Boom]

Just get Doctor Doom right. He should be one of THE premier villains in the MCU. Don't get cute and **** it up.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

John Krasinski and Emily Blunt.

Heck to the no.

I think James Gunn would be great. He has kind of toyed with some FF esque themes with his GotG movies, but would that maybe be too similar for him? Taika I like sticking with Thor.

Watts is not my pick either. Would I have loved someone like an Adam McKay or someone like that? Boy howdy yes. But Watts is much better than say Peyton Reed, IMO

Agreed, Gunn would have been great!

 

[DyeLorean]

I've found that Marvel's best films are the ones that have the directors' DNA in them. Both Guardians of the Galaxy films are distinctly James Gunn. Ragnarok is distinctly Taika Waititi. Even Black Panther is distinctly Ryan Coogler.

Sure sure, I don't disagree with that! GOTG and Ragnarok were gambles, for sure. They were playing it safe and they took big swings that paid off. That doesn't mean they have (or can) take gambles with everything. Some titles lend themselves to singular visions more than others. You can't make your own "visionary version!" of let's say, Spider-Man, because that character has a distinctive look and feel. Maybe on the long run you can start adding a different flavour. For example, after two "classic" Thor films, they were allowed to "do something different" with the character. In fact I think they needed the first two films in order to give a fresh spin on Thor. "Ragnarok" as the first Thor film wouldn't have worked as well as it did.
What I mean with this is that I think the MCU's Fantastic Four needs to stay true to the comics, it doesn't need a "bold vision" like Trank's.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

On the topic of FF forum, patience guys lol

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

If Joss Whedon wasnt such a controversy magnet, I really feel like he would’ve nailed the FF. His style of writing is the exact formula that Marvel’s First Family needs.

As much as I’m repulsed by Gunn, he would’ve been a good choice too.

And I’m in the group that doesn’t want the FF race-bent just for the sake of it. Have them be their original selves and make the world around them diverse, I say.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Just get Doctor Doom right. He should be one of THE premier villains in the MCU. Don't get cute and **** it up.

 

[Boom]

For what it's worth, I am going to give Watts a fair shake. I've waited too long for Feige to get his hands back on this property for me to throw in the towel so prematurely.

But gut reactions are what they are.

 

[Dark Raven]

Just get Doctor Doom right. He should be one of THE premier villains in the MCU. Don't get cute and **** it up.

Don't give Doom traits of Moleman and then call him Doom, or change any of the other characters and give them new names like Watts has done with the MCU Spider-Man series. We don't need FF equivalents of Ned Leeds or Flash Thompson or Betty Brant.

 

[Spider-Fan]

If Joss Whedon wasnt such a controversy magnet, I really feel like he would’ve nailed the FF. His style of writing is the exact formula that Marvel’s First Family needs.

As much as I’m repulsed by Gunn, he would’ve been a good choice too.

And I’m in the group that doesn’t want the FF race-bent just for the sake of it. Have them be their original selves and make the world around them diverse, I say.

On the topic of the FF's race, I don't much care. Get the best actors for the job. I was only really bothered by MBJ and Kate Mara in the last movie being adopted siblings. It felt like a change for no reason, and guess what....didn't make a lick of difference in the movie. So it was a change for no reason. Imagine that.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I’m just wondering where the hell Galactus may fit in to the equation. Some of the visuals in that Loki show look like ravaged planets, then you have whatever is going on cosmically with WandaVision and Cap Marvel, but then the MCU FF logo kinda looks like a planet with the 4....

Makes me wonder.

 

[Boom]

Dictator of Latveria
Sci-fi meets medieval fantasy
A man who can stand against gods

 

[DyeLorean]

There doesn't seem to be an overarching plot or villain that ties everything together so far, I'm guessing they are saving the big threat for later on... maybe Galactus or Dr Doom could fit?
I'm actually glad they're treating everything as separate units until the next big Avengers team up.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

On the topic of the FF's race, I don't much care. Get the best actors for the job. I was only really bothered by MBJ and Kate Mara in the last movie being adopted siblings. It felt like a change for no reason, and guess what....didn't make a lick of difference in the movie. So it was a change for no reason. Imagine that.

Here’s a quick exercise to demonstrate race is just one detail that gets way too much attention.

Idris Elba (younger) vs. Miles Teller for Reed Richards? No contest.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Dictator of Latveria
Sci-fi meets medieval fantasy
A man who can stand against gods

If they butcher Doctor Doom, it is a Cardinal sin I agree. There are villains you can mess up and I don't much care. Malekith and such. But Doctor Doom is comics royalty. He cannot just be good. He needs to stand out and be special. Anything less than that is unforgivable. Same applies to Magneto or Galactus IMO

 

[Boom]

There doesn't seem to be an overarching plot or villain that ties everything together so far, I'm guessing they are saving the big threat for later on... maybe Galactus or Dr Doom could fit?
I'm actually glad they're treating everything as separate units until the next big Avengers team up.

Kang is possible, but the fact that he's making his MCU debut as the primary antagonist of an Ant-Man film makes me think he's not going to be THE major player of this arc. And yes, I know this is throwing mass shade at Ant-Man.

Doctor Doom or Galactus is the ticket.

 

[Spider-Fan]

There doesn't seem to be an overarching plot or villain that ties everything together so far, I'm guessing they are saving the big threat for later on... maybe Galactus or Dr Doom could fit?
I'm actually glad they're treating everything as separate units until the next big Avengers team up.

I don’t think there is going to be a Thanos in the future who is at the center of everything. I think the MCU is so big that it will be broken down into mini archs which will have a big bad here, like a Kang or Memphis to or whatever. On this other corner, Doom or Annihulus, etc. I don't think we are getting another grand Endgame anytime soon. Maybe Secret War, but even there I would imagine it is built in mainly one area and barely mentioned in others.

 

[Boom]

If they butcher Doctor Doom, it is a Cardinal sin I agree. There are villains you can mess up and I don't much care. Malekith and such. But Doctor Doom is comics royalty. He cannot just be good. He needs to stand out and be special. Anything less than that is unforgivable. Same applies to Magneto or Galactus IMO

He needs to be Infinity War Thanos-level great. Maybe even moreso.

 

[DyeLorean]

I don’t think there is going to be a Thanos in the future who is at the center of everything. I think the MCU is so big that it will be broken down into mini archs which will have a big bad here, like a Kang or Memphis to or whatever. On this other corner, Doom or Annihulus, etc. I don't think we are getting another grand Endgame anytime soon. Maybe Secret War, but even there I would imagine it is built in mainly one area and barely mentioned in others.

It very well could be, yes. It's getting way too big that's true. But still I imagine they want to culminate in another "big event" movie at some point.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It very well could be, yes. It's getting way too big that's true. But still I imagine they want to culminate in another "big event" movie at some point.

I think we will get mini events mostly instead. Like Young Avengers could bring Kate Bishop, Ms. Marvel, Cassie Lang, etc together for a larger threat. Then some type of Cosmic movie like Annihilation for Captain Marvel and the Guardians and such. Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness seems like it could be a mini event to end the WandaVision, Spider-Man 3, and Doctor Strange 2 arc. I see this being mainly what they do

 

[Detective Conan]

How likely is it for the FF to appear in the MCU before their own movie? I’d say the odds are quite high.

 

[Zyraquis]

I’m darn sure Feige has seen a lot in Watts and also loved his pitch to give him this project. Despite what the most vocal Spider-Man crowds hatre for him, he did pull off the highest gross movies in the Spider-Man franchise and a lot of young kids only know his version IS the only version on film and love it. He must have done something very right whatever the die hards say.

I don’t care for FF but Watts name actually intrigues me from indifferent to interested.

For the record, I don’t care for comic Spider-Man either so his film version works perfectly fine for me as an entertainment. I have faith that he will do well in this project.