Old MCU Fantastic Four Discussion Thread

[Mandon Knight]

Blake Lively has the voice of a dead coffee grind.

on decaf....

 

[Marvel united]

Melissa Benoist would be a good choice for Sue. She has a naturally warm personality. Supergirl can be a badass while not having to seem like one at all. She doesn't give off that hard-edged, tough vibe but still is strong as the girl of steel.

I don't know about Melissa. She is still Supergirl and I don't think she's a strong enough actress but then again, I've only seen Season 1. If we're going by DC actresses then Margot Robbie would be one of the best choices for Sue in Hollywood imo.

Her name came up occasionally before Krasinski's did. It's just more often now.

Her name comes up for a lot different CBM roles. I remember people wanting her for Emma Frost in 2010 (Which she would fit perfectly), people wanting her for Selina Kyle/Catwoman in 2010, Sony wanting her to play a female Scorpion and of course, Captain Marvel which I was okay with. (But Marvel's vision was more in line with Kelly Deconnick's Carol and the Ms. Marvel run from 2006 hence Brie Larson)

Not the only reason. I also would consider her because she is very talented and has been in the running for several other characters for Marvel prior. I think she would be excellent as Sue.

Yes, but go to placed like IGN or Collider, the people seem more infatuated by the idea of a married couple playing Reed and Sue (not realizing that doing this can become a problem later down the line) I just don't like the idea of her as Sue. I try to warm up to it but even after seeing Quiet Place - I came out wanting Krasinski as Reed even more and Blunt even less.

 

[Eddie Dean]

on decaf....

Maybe burnt decaf.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Maybe burnt decaf.

with flying pants...

 

[Frankeh]

I understand your point about casting against type and how it worked for Ledger among others but to me, that opens the door to a whole new can of worms about who should and shouldn't be considered for the part. For now, I think it's best to trust your instincts as a fan.

Here's the thing. Blunt as a "hard-edged action girl" was a departure for her going by her previous body of work that I've already mentioned. So that's hardly her "type" to be cast against for Sue Storm.

 

[Marvel united]

Here's the thing. Blunt as a "hard-edged action girl" was a departure for her going by her previous body of work that I've already mentioned. So that's hardly her "type" to be cast against for Sue Storm.

Hmm... Not so sure about that. In Devil Wears Prada, she played a cold hearted henchwoman. in Sunshine Cleaning she played the "straight man" to Amy Adams' character, she played another serious part in Young Victoria.


She has always been playing badasses, cold characters, straight mans or emotional distressed people. It didn't start with Looper, it started in Devil Wears Prada where many people were first introduced to her. Looper just defined Blunt's craft for many people.

 

[terry78]

Mary Poppins may be the first time I've seen her play someone kinda wacky. I know she's done voice over work before.

 

[Frankeh]

Hmm... Not so sure about that. In Devil Wears Prada, she played a cold hearted henchwoman. in Sunshine Cleaning she played the "straight man" to Amy Adams' character, she played another serious part in Young Victoria.

She has always been playing badasses, cold characters, straight mans or emotional distressed people. It didn't start with Looper, it started in Devil Wears Prada where many people were first introduced to her. Looper just defined Blunt's craft for many people.

Looper didn't define her craft. She was nominated for stuff before that. Her most high-profile nominations weren't even for action roles. Which is why the Sigourney Weaver comparison doesn't fly.

 

[David H.]

Emily Blunt thread.

 

[Silvermoth]

Ha, every thread is a Emily blunt thread!

I love her but I feel like there’s a really cool role for her that isn’t Susan

 

[Silvermoth]

Mary Poppins may be the first time I've seen her play someone kinda wacky.

See the muppets

 

[Silvermoth]

It’s kind of a shame we can’t see a proper frightful four. I mean medusa turned out horribly because of the inhumans, sandman and hydro man I think are tied up with Sony and I’m not sure what the extent of the share deal is there, Klaw has been done and the wizard like how would you even do him?

Although the ultimate version would be so much fun

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It’s kind of a shame we can’t see a proper frightful four. I mean medusa turned out horribly because of the inhumans, sandman and hydro man I think are tied up with Sony and I’m not sure what the extent of the share deal is there, Klaw has been done and the wizard like how would you even do him?

Although the ultimate version would be so much fun

Personally, I've never been a fan of the Frightful Four. They're not particularly powerful and their biggest strength is the Wizard's brain... and his intellect is clearly inferior to Reed and Doom and probably well below the Mad Thinker.

Besides, the Frightful Four seem mostly interested in attacking the FF - not plotting to take over the world etc. That puts the FF in a position of simply defending themselves. They're not risking themselves to save others as proper heroes should. They're simply defending against an attack by a weak group of super-villains and have no real choice in the matter.

Makes for a pretty dull story IMO.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

... though on the subject of Medusa, my hope is that the Inhumans TV show will soon be forgotten and they can re-introduce them properly in an FF film at some point.

 

[Dark Raven]

Personally, I've never been a fan of the Frightful Four. They're not particularly powerful and their biggest strength is the Wizard's brain... and his intellect is clearly inferior to Reed and Doom and probably well below the Mad Thinker.

Besides, the Frightful Four seem mostly interested in attacking the FF - not plotting to take over the world etc. That puts the FF in a position of simply defending themselves. They're not risking themselves to save others as proper heroes should. They're simply defending against an attack by a weak group of super-villains and have no real choice in the matter.

Makes for a pretty dull story IMO.

Well they could easily be villains that the Fantastic Four fight in an opening sequence who are defeated relatively easily.

It would be great if they even had Paste Pot Pete feature in a Spider-Man movie who then changes his name to Trapster. However, he would still be made fun of by Ben Grimm and Johnny Storm.

They would actually have worked if there had been an FF movie about the Inhumans, and it started off with Medusa suffering from amnesia and working with the Frightful Four, and then the Fantastic Four battling them. They could find out that Medusa is unaware of her origin and that would lead them to explore where she comes from. This would've led into the FF taking her back to the moon where they would encounter the rest of the Inhumans.

So the Frightful Four would've only been a jumping off point and not really the main plot of the film.

But that's not going to happen now, after the travesty we had with the Inhumans on ABC.

But it could've been a cool opportunity to have cameos of two Spidey villains (Sandman and Paste Pot Pete) and maybe even Spidey himself, and then acting as a launchpad to an Inhumans storyline. Oh well. Maybe they could still do that one day if no-one remembers the Inhumans TV show and Marvel ignore that.

 

[Tg11]

Or another FF casting I would do would be:

Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic- John Krasinski
Sue Storm/Invisible Woman- Sienna Miller
Johnny Storm/Human Torch- Logan Lerman
Ben Grimm/The Thing- John Cena

Villain of course being Dr. Doom who would be played by none other than Nikolaj Coster Waldau

 

[Dark Raven]

Or another FF casting I would do would be:

Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic- John Krasinski
Sue Storm/Invisible Woman- Sienna Miller
Johnny Storm/Human Torch- Logan Lerman
Ben Grimm/The Thing- John Cena

Villain of course being Dr. Doom who would be played by none other than Nikolaj Coster Waldau

No to John Cena as Ben Grimm. I'd even take Logan Lerman as the Thing more than John Cena. At least he's more Jewish.

John Cena is just not talented enough for a role like Ben Grimm who needs wit and sensitivity. Cena has the sensitivity of a brick, which ironically, is exactly what is not needed for the Thing.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

No to John Cena as Ben Grimm. I'd even take Logan Lerman as the Thing more than John Cena. At least he's more Jewish.

John Cena is just not talented enough for a role like Ben Grimm who needs wit and sensitivity. Cena has the sensitivity of a brick, which ironically, is exactly what is not needed for the Thing.

Yeah, while Cena can act a little, his obvious talent is his body. And for Ben, the body isn't all that important. He should be big and strong enough to be realistic as a football player (unlike Jamie Bell), but most of the time, he'll just be supplying the voice and some motion-capture work for CGI.

The motion-capture side of it was actually one positive I saw in the Jamie Bell casting... but in the end, we had so little of the actual Thing, it probably didn't make any difference.

 

[JoeyConQueso]

I've kind of been picturing Jon Hamm as Ben Grimm since I first saw him being suggested as Reed. A big, handsome guy with an old school vibe that worked his way up from a rough past to become a great veteran pilot and now he gets hit with this tragic transformation and has to work his way past that, too. I don't know. I can just picture it for some reason. He might have a lot of fun with the voicework and motion capture, too.

 

[ernesth100]

No to John Cena as Ben Grimm.

I can't see John Cena as anything other than John Cena. His acting career just isn't believable.

 

[Marvel united]

I've kind of been picturing Jon Hamm as Ben Grimm since I first saw him being suggested as Reed. A big, handsome guy with an old school vibe that worked his way up from a rough past to become a great veteran pilot and now he gets hit with this tragic transformation and has to work his way past that, too. I don't know. I can just picture it for some reason. He might have a lot of fun with the voicework and motion capture, too.

Jon is too old for a franchise.

I'm still imagining Seth Rogen as him

 

[Detective Conan]

That and he’s really not that good an actor at all.

 

[Detective Conan]

You could make the argument for John Cena’s casting if you point to Dave Bautista - who was also a wrestler who’s generally not much of an actor either before he got the role of Drax but the role of Ben Grimm is much more layered, and complex than that of Drax - which automatically requires a lot more acting chops than what Bautista shows with Drax.

 

[Marvel united]

The thing about Cena, like Willie said- the only thing he has going for him is his body which won't really matter in the end because Thing will probably be Mocap. He's not a very good actor

 

[Detective Conan]

Fancasting John Cena as Ben Grimm reminds me of when some fans were fancasting Rhonda Rhousey for Captain Marvel(ugh); which was always more because of her physique and less so for her acting chops(which are non-existent).