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That would be wild, if its time travel and Cynthia showed up? I also know that they are hinting that Mephisto could be the threat in Loki....well one way or another, we know Doom is coming, I just hope SOME sort of reference whether its to him or to Latveria is in the year 2021....


I’m really thinking this could be it and it would answer the question of my earlier post: “Why would Marvel intentionally give us a character that looks so much like Doom in the trailer if it’s not Doom?”
 
I wonder if we'll get a third origin story this time round. I personally wouldn't mind another one given that the other two origin movies weren't good and I love origin stories.
Well, since they hired Watts again. I assume they’ll take a similar approach they did with Spider-Man and refrain from retelling the origin for a third time, but then again, the FF origin isn’t nearly as iconic as Spider-Man’s so who really knows?

I will point out it’s still possible their origin can still be done in other MCU related movies and shows before their first film. After all, we first saw Black Panther’s origin story in Civil War two years before his solo movie came out. This question really depends on whether or not they really think the origin story is worth retelling again, and if they do it in a fresh way.

Personally I still think Marvel will mostly avoid the origin story in the movie but hint at it through dialogue. One idea I’ve tossed around before is that they could handle it in the form of an animated opening sequence co-narrated by the team that would serve as cliff-notes for the origin. So imagine the animated Birds Of Prey opening where Harley Quinn is narrating her origin to the viewer(can’t link here due to strong cursing) but it’s with the Fantastic Four doing this.

Or they could do what they did with the Incredible Hulk and just do something like this again.



This is a neat opening that sums up everything you to know about the Green Goliath. So maybe something like that where you see the visuals play out with no dialogue where you see the space travel, you see the transformation sequence, and you see them putting their hands together in order to swear to use their powers to make the world a better place — all covered in little over a minute instead of taking over 2 hours to tell in a movie like in the previous movies.
 
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Eric Voss from New Rockstars says the hooded individual seems to be a woman and suggests it might be Lady Loki.

Remember, the Loki series was obviously in the works since Endgame was filmed and back then Doom was still a Fox property.
 
I was just thinking, if this is indeed a 2023 release, that's a bummer, because Rogue Squadron is going to be Disney's Christmas release that year and the "First Family" seems the perfect fit for the Christmas market.
 
Eric Voss from New Rockstars says the hooded individual seems to be a woman and suggests it might be Lady Loki.

Remember, the Loki series was obviously in the works since Endgame was filmed and back then Doom was still a Fox property.

Maybe they left it ambiguous deliberately so that they could make it anyone they wanted when the time came.

Giving us Cynthia would already be sowing the seeds of one of Doom's prime motivations for why he does certain things. Many of this time travel shenanigans are precisely for this reason.
 
Well, since they hired Watts again. I assume they’ll take a similar approach they did with Spider-Man and refrain from retelling the origin for a third time, but then again, the FF origin isn’t nearly as iconic as Spider-Man’s so who really knows?

I will point out it’s still possible their origin can still be done in other MCU related movies and shows before their first film. After all, we first saw Black Panther’s origin story in Civil War two years before his solo movie came out. This question really depends on whether or not they really think the origin story is worth retelling again, and if they do it in a fresh way.

Personally I still think Marvel will mostly avoid the origin story in the movie but hint at it dialogue. One idea I’ve tossed around before is that they could handle it in the form of an animated opening sequence co-narrated by the team that would serve as cliff-notes for origin. So imagine the animated Birds Of Prey opening where Harley Quinn is narrating her origin to the viewer(can’t link here due to strong cursing) but it’s with the Fantastic Four doing this.

Or they could do what they did with the Incredible Hulk and just do something like this again.



This is a neat opening that sums up everything you to know about the Green Goliath. So maybe something like that where you see the visuals play out with no dialogue where you see the space travel, you see the transformation sequence, and you see them putting their hands together in order to swear to use their powers to make the world a better place — all covered in little over a minute instead of taking over 2 hours to tell in a movie like in the previous movies.


I like these ideas—probably the TIH pitch the most. Since that movie, I’ve been hoping CBMs use that approach for origins but I don’t think it really took off.

In my FF story pitch, the film would already open with the team formed & going on adventures with their newfound powers. It’s easy enough to construct an exposition dump to catch the audiences up—I proposed Reed recounts their origins to the audience at the Future Foundation keynote address (think Reeds’ similar speech in Hickmans’ run or even Tony Stark at MIT in Civil War). Complete with holograms & all.
The rest of the film has plot elements tying to the Negative Zone which can further delve into their origins/transformation without having to go backwards.

I also wouldn’t mind the origin being handled in another MCU film, like Holland’s Spider-Man or Boseman’s Black Panther before them. That being said, I hope Marvel is getting better at catching up audiences at the beginning of those solo films. I really dislike the Homecoming found footage opening—I totally get what’s going on, but it opens up a whole can of worms when I just want to show my dad the new Spider-Man movie (he’s not watching the other 20-some Marvel movies). Black Panther did this better with integrating T’Chaka’s death into the story, but I still think it was somewhat clunky—and I’m always considering the viewing experience for the “uninitiated.”
 
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I just came up with the best Fantastic Four subtitle for the movie.

Fantastic Four: The Fourth Time’s The Charm. :o

lol you kid, but consider me disappointed if that’s not on the poster :o

Hoping Marvel goes all out on the Four puns: “All Four One. Summer 2023”

I’m the guy that was championing for Avengers Forever over Endgame aha so I’m here for the wordplay
 
Maybe they left it ambiguous deliberately so that they could make it anyone they wanted when the time came.

Giving us Cynthia would already be sowing the seeds of one of Doom's prime motivations for why he does certain things. Many of this time travel shenanigans are precisely for this reason.

Feige isn't a guy who reacts impulsively. He had his plan in place for the next 4-5 years of the MCU, long before the Fox merger, and nothing will change it. I still remember people who were sure that X-Men or the F4 would appear in an Endgame post-credit scene and laugh.
 
Maybe they left it ambiguous deliberately so that they could make it anyone they wanted when the time came.

Giving us Cynthia would already be sowing the seeds of one of Doom's prime motivations for why he does certain things. Many of this time travel shenanigans are precisely for this reason.


Cynthia may be a stretch/wishful thinking, but those two scenes, with the lantern and then all the screens scream “Doom” to me - so much so that I’m nearly certain they’re specifically trying to get that reaction from us. And I don’t see why they would intentionally do that in the trailer for Lady Loki, but I can see why they would do that specifically for Cynthia.

I mean they must have 1000 different shots they could use. Why use ones that specifically look like Doom to people like us?

... and Lady Loki could still be in the series. Cynthia Doom wouldn’t prevent Lady Loki from also being present.
 
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... Which begs the question are you leaving off Corman ... or Trank.
Neither the Trank movie or the Corman movie are what one would call “good” movies but if I had the Infinity Gauntlet and had to choose which movie between the Corman one or the Trank version to snap away from existence Thanos-style I think you can make an educated guess on which movie I like to pretend didn’t happen. :o
 
Neither the Trank movie or the Corman movie are what one would call “good” movies but if I had the Infinity Gauntlet and had to choose which movie between the Corman one or the Trank version to snap away from existence Thanos-style I think you can make an educated guess on which movie I like to pretend didn’t happen. :o



I’m disappointed with Disney for putting it on Disney+. They should have drawn a line.
 
In my FF story pitch, the film would already open with the team formed & going on adventures with their newfound powers. It’s easy enough to construct an exposition dump to catch the audiences up—I proposed Reed recounts their origins to the audience at the Future Foundation keynote address (think Reeds’ similar speech in Hickmans’ run or even Tony Stark at MIT in Civil War). Complete with holograms & all.
The rest of the film has plot elements tying to the Negative Zone which can further delve into their origins/transformation without having to go backwards.
I like your idea of Reed re-enacting the origin through holograms in a speech he gives. Your idea kind of reminds me of that scene in Civil War where Tony is giving a presentation at Massachusetts University and uses holograms to re-enact some of his memories of the very last time he saw his parents. In any case, the origin really shouldn’t be the forefront of the story. At least in the sense of it being a story of how they got their powers.

I think you can have the movie be a half-origin story instead of if being a full-on origin tale. Take the Batman for example - Matt Reeves isn’t telling the same point A to point Z Batman origin tale that Chris Nolan told in Batman Begins, but despite the fact we won’t see how Wayne gets his costume and the Bat-mobile we will see how he truly becomes the Batman we know and love and that means seeing his journey to reach that point over the course of the film.

Do the same with the FF. Have an FF that already exists, with them already operating as a superhero team with prototype costumes but don’t let them get their final costumes and the Baxter Building until the very end of the film when they finally become the the fully formed Fantastic Four. Show them struggling to earn the trust of the populace at first but then over the course of the movie show them winning them over with their heroics. Show the struggle of being a superhero team and how tough it is to manage.
 
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Not going to lie. The Marvel side of Disney’s Investors day surpassed even the 2019 Hall H Panel for me.
As a Star Wars fan too it was overall one of the best presentations I’ve seen for an upcoming content slate and updates.
 
Love love love the Tom Pelphrey suggestion
I know it's weird to say, but he had a brilliant performance on my mom's old soap back in day, Guiding Light, I knew he could break out perhaps. I actively watched the damn show because of his character, and his love interest.
 
I’m disappointed with Disney for putting it on Disney+. They should have drawn a line.
Yeah, especially since that movie definitely isn’t “family friendly” with a scene like this.



It still blows my mind this scene is uncensored on Disney Plus.
 
I was thinking the F4 would work better in a 1960s setting. Reed, Sue and Ben are famous scientists, teachers and engineer while Johnny is a student enrolled at NYU working on his Master’s, following in Sue’s footsteps. We would get the typical space mission, them learning about their abilities, becoming heroes. Dr. Doom will not be introduced. Another villain would be in this film. The 60s would allow for Herbie to be introduced and a lot of their campy things. Anyway the movie would end with them getting stuck in the negative zone. Until they are released in the new millennium. This could explain why there was never no word on the famous family of 4. Also they wouldn’t age. You could connect Reed and Hank Pym as college buddies that discussed the theory of quantum physics and the negative zone. With a sequel you can introduce Dr Doom and the infamous Doom/Reed rivalry. The Baxter Building. The team fitting alongside the new avengers/Shield.
 
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