Originally a different villain for S3? Huh?

[Tempest19]

Vulture- horrible idea, imo. Thank god for Avi introducing Venom to Raimi.

Venom serves almost the exact role that Vulture had!

Adrian Toomes wants revenge on Spider-Man for foiling one of his crimes. In the third act he teams up with Sandman and the two take Spider-Man on. In the end Vulture is the only one who dies, because he can't let go of his lust for revenge against Spider-Man. Flint Marko was always going to be Uncle Ben's killer.

- Got this info from Spider-Man: Chronicles.

 

[Spade]

Adrian Toomes wants revenge on Spider-Man for foiling one of his crimes. In the third act he teams up with Sandman and the two take Spider-Man on. In the end Vulture is the only one who dies, because he can't let go of his lust for revenge against Spider-Man.

I don't want to steal one of my friend's netisms, but...buh? God that sounds bad for this film...the concept is good, but for the third in a trilogy of films this would not have left a good impression.

I really don't like that they basically filled in Venom as the Sandman's partner either. It makes much more sense with a vengeful old crone like the Vulture than with Venom.

 

[XXTBWCXX]

I just don't think I would've watched Spider-Man 3 if the only villains were Sandman and Vulture...Sandman's a great villain, but I never liked Vulture...never liked Vulture, Mysterio and Chameleon...they just didn't seem like great villains to me...never really was a Doc Ock fan either, but some aspects I enjoyed, and then kinda got into Doc Ock with how he was portrayed as a kinda evil/more sympathetic villain in Spider-Man 2.

 

[Tempest19]

Highly disagree, Venom and the whole symbiote arc is part of what makes this film what it is. Venom has always been known, at least in the cartoon, to be a character fueled by his revenge against Peter Parker.

But, I NEVER saw the Vulture as a revenge driven character. His main goal, from what I remember is the pursuit of youth and his 'glory days'. Part of this also lent itself well with the Vulture dating Aunt May for a brief period of time which set up a new and interesting struggle- I mean, what would you do if a family member of yours is dating the villain? That would be a really hard decision and challenge to make on how to go about that.

So out of revenge fueled characters- for me at least- that has ALWAYS been Venom. That's what lures the symbiote to him. Their symbiotic hatred against Peter Parker, Eddie for revenge and the symbiote because Peter abandoned it.

 

[XXTBWCXX]

Another proof than Sam Raimi CLEALRY doesn't give a f.uck about Venom

Sandman is gonna eat this movie and Venom will make the guest appeareance, die and na na na na na na na hey hey good bye

Yes, Raimi doesn't care about Venom; he loves the older villains, but I'm glad Avi told him to put Venom in the movie...because comparing Vulture and Venom, hmm...what a hard decision, not...Venom can't be compared to an old fart in a green bird suit.

And Venom dies, but he WILL outshine Sandman...even in his 20 mins. of fame.

 

[Tempest19]

Let me make one thing clear that alot of reviews are throwing out of the way.

I can almost guarantee you guys that both characters have about equal time on screen, or at least the equal amount of scenes.

Venom, yes, only has one fight- but Eddie Brock's presence is felt throughout the film. Heck, he even is involved in a way with the subway fight!!!

So, for those clamoring about little time- remember that they are talking about VENOM showing up for the final twenty minutes- prior to that we've got Eddie Brock.

 

[Spiderine]

I seriously doubt we would have gotten a scene with Vulture huffin and puffin to keep up with Spiderman. When would they ever put one of Spidey villains on the big screen that could not hold their own in battle? None. They would never portray any of his villains as to weak ofr they would never ever get any consideration for a movie. All of his villains will pose a threat for Spiderman on the big screen. Now whether they are entertaining enough for you is an opinion but they all will be a problem for Spiderman.

 

[fangrl06]

I don't like the idea of Vulture being in a Spider-man movie anymore then I like Kraven being in a Spider-man movie, but I have to admit that Ben Kingsley would be perfect.

 

[chaseter]

Ben Kingsley would be a great Vulture just like THC is a great Sandman. Vulture would be a very tough character to present on film though. I think there would be an extremely fine line between good and hoaky. I like what we have for this movie very much. It would have pissed me off had Raimi not introduced Harry with that hanger at the end of SM2. Sandman is a great choice and I am glad we get to see him. Now I don't know what the original story Raimi had planned for Peter and I am guessing after Arad wanted Venom in there then the symbiote was the natural choice for Peter's next personal battle. I really want to know what personal events would have affected Peter in the original version because that just might be what they go with for SM4.

 

[Tempest19]

Peter did find darkness within himself, the symbiote just strengthened it.

Makes more sense and is visually represented better through the symbiote though.

 

[spideyman101]

Here's how I think it could have gone.

Harry finally decide to avenge his father and become The New Goblin

PETER PARKER vs. NEW GOBLIN (Aerial Scene)

Flint Mark becomes Sandman

SPIDER-MAN vs. SANDMAN (Armored Car Scene)

Adrian Toomes becomes The Vulture and goes to theiving. They add an interesting story with him

The symbiote gets on Peter Parker, turning him into Symbiote Spider-Man

Symbiote Spider-Man goes after Sandman

SYMBIOTE SPIDER-MAN vs. SANDMAN (Subway Scene)

Toomes commits another crime

SYMBIOTE SPIDER-MAN vs. VULTURE (Bell Tower and Chrysler Building Scene)
(In this scene Spidey could learn the location of the Bell Tower, and discover that the sound of a bell weakens the symbiote. Which allows Vulture to almost defeat him by kicking him out of the window of the bell tower. Then once out of there they move to the Chrysler Building. Spidey's strength is now back and he defeats Vulture. Vulture is webbed up to be captured by the police.)

Symbiote Peter goes after Harry once again.

SYMBIOTE SPIDER-MAN vs. HARRY OSBORN (Goblin Lair Scene)

After a few long scenes, Peter finally decides to rid himself of the symbiote. He remembers the bell tower and how it weakened the symbiote. He goes there and gets the symbiote suit off. Meanwhile Brock is praying in the church. The symbiote gets on Brock.

Sandman and Venom team up against Spidey. Goblin eventually helps Spidey.

SPIDER-MAN & NEW GOBLIN vs. SANDMAN & VENOM (Construction Scene)

And possibly have a Carnage cliffhanger (or not)

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So basically all it's adding is one more battle scene (it could be short), and try to somehow come up with a story that fits in with the rest of the stories... possibly have Toomes working with Connors on the Lizard thing.

Going back to the Vulture battle, I thought of something cool. What if when the symbiote is weakened, it's starts flailing around like when Spidey's ripping it off. And then when Vulture kicks Spidey out the window, the symbiote grabs onto Vulture and pulls him out too. (kinda like Spidey did to Doc Ock in the extended Bank scene). Then as there falling part of the symbiote wraps around Vulture keeping him from being able to move. Then they slam down on the ground of the streets and eventually move on to the Chrysler Building.)

Just a few ideas.

 

[amazingdm]

ben kingsley wouldnt have made a good vulture

I think some people just choose him because he's bald

 

[YÅ«gi's BM]

I think a neat alternate idea for a film would have been having Harry go into business with Vulture (he's a rich business man, right?), have Harry help him co-develope that there Vulture suit. Meanwhile old man Vulture, as nice and sympathetic character (I'm going to be honest, I don't remember a blasted thing about this guy, forgive me Vulture fans!!!!!) meets Aunt May at the park...FEEDING THE DUCKS. They develop a courtship (that's the right term, right?). Meanwhile The Parker clan discover the true killer of Uncle Ben is still on the loose! GASP! Vulture and Aunt May's storyline in my little idea serves each other well. While the Vulture--who despises his age--helps May through this startling revelation she helps to show him that just because one grows old it doesn't mean one is useless (or something else, I'm writing this off the top of my head). The two serve as eye-openers for each other.

How Peter works into this, I've no clue.

End the film with Spider-Man taking on Vulture and New Goblin. During the battle have Aunt May intervene, have NG accidentally wound her and as she dies have her 'release Vulture from his own self-disgust'. In a fit of rage Vulture and Spidey team up to drive NG off! The film ends with Peter (whose dark side has begun to show itself ever since it was revealed Uncle Ben's real killer was still on the loose, and now fueled by the lose of Aunt May) bids Vulture adieu, the two now having a deeper understanding of each other (through the film Peter should be suspicious of him and have a tense relationship with the Vulture). There’s still story left to be told, which could’ve been saved for a forth, which would include the symbiot story, Sandman, and the rest of the hostile story of New Goblin.

 

[Venomfan]

i have to say, that if they did it the same way, with harry coming in for help at the end, a vulture vs. goblin aerial battle would be off the chain

 

[HCpride]

no one I'm familiar with is going to see this film for Flint's behalf

i know we dont know each other
but ever since he was announced, he was the main reason i wanted to see this movie
he is a visually interesting character
vulture is pretty visually interesting too,maybe thats why they considered him
venom is kinda like spiderman, just a flat design, nothing really pops about him except his mouth

 

[HCpride]

I think a neat alternate idea for a film would have been having Harry go into business with Vulture (he's a rich business man, right?), have Harry help him co-develope that there Vulture suit. Meanwhile old man Vulture, as nice and sympathetic character (I'm going to be honest, I don't remember a blasted thing about this guy, forgive me Vulture fans!!!!!) meets Aunt May at the park...FEEDING THE DUCKS. They develop a courtship (that's the right term, right?). Meanwhile The Parker clan discover the true killer of Uncle Ben is still on the loose! GASP! Vulture and Aunt May's storyline in my little idea serves each other well. While the Vulture--who despises his age--helps May through this startling revelation she helps to show him that just because one grows old it doesn't mean one is useless (or something else, I'm writing this off the top of my head). The two serve as eye-openers for each other.

How Peter works into this, I've no clue.

End the film with Spider-Man taking on Vulture and New Goblin. During the battle have Aunt May intervene, have NG accidentally wound her and as she dies have her 'release Vulture from his own self-disgust'. In a fit of rage Vulture and Spidey team up to drive NG off! The film ends with Peter (whose dark side has begun to show itself ever since it was revealed Uncle Ben's real killer was still on the loose, and now fueled by the lose of Aunt May) bids Vulture adieu, the two now having a deeper understanding of each other (through the film Peter should be suspicious of him and have a tense relationship with the Vulture). There’s still story left to be told, which could’ve been saved for a forth, which would include the symbiot story, Sandman, and the rest of the hostile story of New Goblin.

wow
*claps*
horrible




horrible

edit-ok im gonna elaborate

1-wasnt harry ruined after doc ocks accident in sm2, he isnt exactly rich anymore is he? i could be wrong tho
2-i dont think may is over ben yet, why would she start canoodling with this guy
3-why is may at the final battle, and on top of that, there is no way they would ever, EVER, let a villain kill off aunt may in a movie, if she dies its gonna be natural, it only fits her character

 

[ghost_x]

Oh lord imagine THC's letdown.

*THC returning home after being told who has been cast as Vulture*

THC: Hunny! guess what! I'm going to be working alongside the great Ben Kingsley! He's one of the greatest thespians in Hollywood! This is it, I can feel it, the next big career step!

*THC returning to the Sony offices the next day*

Raimi: Ah, Thomas, there you are

THC: Sam, Oh I can't tell you how excited I am about working with Ben 'Ghandi' Kingsley, the man is my idol! So, when do I get to meet him...

Raimi: Huh, ummm, mmmm, yeee, Sooo theres been some changes, and Vulture has been cut from the script, Venom is now in and you will be working with...ummm, hmmm, Eric from That 70s Show

THC: ....*eyes well up* I'm still getting paid as the lead though right?

Raimi:....Well, it was news to me, but apparently Venom is actually the fan favourite, soo Topher Grace is now lead Villain...

 

[Venomfan]

haha that was good

 

[DyeLorean]

ben kingsley wouldnt have made a good vulture

I think some people just choose him because he's bald

No, the reasons have been posted before in this same thread. Not only he's a very good actor, but he does look EXACTLY like the Vulture in the comics.
I think Ben Kingsley for a Vulture movie version would fit perfectly.

D!

 

[CrashNburn]

i have no doubt that he'd be a great Vulture but I think the movie wouldnt be as good without the Venom/Sandman combination instead.

 

[Tempest19]

He's PERFECT... just not for this movie though.

 

[Venom 1988]

While I agree, Venom role fits better for the revenge theme in this movie and probably works better than Vulture, I totally would not mind seeing Vulutre in a future movie. They could make him work, they obviously were going to use him so they probably had some explanations as to how a 70 year old man could be a formidable foe.

 

[Tempest19]

One of the only questions that remains is, who would play young Toomes?

For some reason, for that I'm leaning towards Cilian Murphey as the young Toomes:

Murphey is without a doubt one of the greatest actors of his generation. Able to bring about a villain through subtely, allowing for a more haunting and chilling portrayl of a villain than out-right psychotic. Best seen in 'Red Eye' and 'Batman Begins'.

The Vulture, at least from what I remember from the cartoon, is a villain more driven by the pursuit of youth than for revenge. He's seeking out his glory days again and in a frightening way- he succeeds. Similar to a 'Smallville' episode, that I've always pictured as SV's version of Vulture- albiet without the wings... or is there more to the character before this whole "seeking youth" stage?

 

[DACrowe]

Now that I see that this storyline was going to have three villains anyways (counting Harry), no matter what....I'm VERY glad it is Venom instead of Vulture. This allows the symbiote to be introduced and that goo and what it does to Spidey is the crux of the film. I mean if you are going to have a villain who only is lusting for revenge against Spidey....why isn't it, Venom?

Plus, Vulture is kind of lame. I hope that isn't the direction for the next sequel.

 

[CrashNburn]

He's PERFECT... just not for this movie though.

i swear that it was like he was born to play the part.