Paramount Dumps Tom Cruise

[gvcool2]

I just find it appropiate that after a year and a half of ridiculous comments and crazy antics that only now that he has been dropped by his studio that he begins to apologize for his actions

 

[Chris Wallace]

Precisely.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Well if there was a big fight between people , would you rather talk things over when everyone is still pissed or when things have cooled down a bit ?

Tom did that. Or at least i think he did that. I mean the media blew up everything and you're wondering who to believe at some point. Better to let things cool down.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That's not how it looks to me. What I saw was a guy who went on a tirade bashing someone who didn't deserve it, who'd done nothing to him. He'd had plenty of time over the past year & some change to make amends. I don't think he wanted to. Then when it became apparent that his antics had bitten him in the @$$, he apologized.

 

[gvcool2]

I don't fully blame tom cruise, clearly he believes in scientology enough to express his beliefs publicly, so than he should accept that if he's going to publicise his strange antics that people won't like it, not apologize for them when his career begins to take a hit, he should stand by these beliefs instead of having a member of his entourage advise him on the best move

 

[matrix_ghost]

Exactly.

He has a point when he talks about how drugged up people are. There are just waay to many cases out there of depressed people who can easily get their lives back on track by theraphy , going out of the house , doing sports , cooking or just getting properly laid .

At the same time there are people who are clinically depressed and who do in fact need medicine.
Obviously Tom is going to use his scientology beliefs to help these people cause it did help him.

I mean that is not something that he does alone , but all people do.
Hippies like Paul McCartney say that their lifestyle is great and they had great successes with it , so join them
Those Maharishi Yogi people who practice Yoga all day also try to gain more people by saying that it helped them.
So i don't see that Tom promoting Scientology is wrong.

However with his comments he generalised everyone which was the bad move.

 

[gvcool2]

sorry my statement was clearly not phrased correctly, I don't support cruise's antics, in fact I think he is wrong, I'm saying if he feels the need to express his beliefs publicly than he should handle the repocussions and not repent when he experiences the backlash.

To not allow the mother to take pain medication during birth is a joke to society

 

[Chris Wallace]

Promote what you believe, by all means. Just don't ridicule people for disagreeing with you.

 

[Erzengel]

His role is to entertain. Studios hire actors such as Cruise when they want to sell a movie. There's a reason why we don't see him in some small Indie movie. He's a blockbuster star.

When he starts to preach his personal beliefs that's one thing but to constantly force it on people, it goes beyond just his beliefs and crosses overstepping his bounds.

Cruise was a lot more successful when he kept his private life private when he was with Kidman instead of "I Love Katie Holmes!! I Love Katie Holmes!! Can't you see how much I'm in love with her!! I haven't said it in 5 minutes!!".

Cruise great actor but you don't come to me for your entertainment what makes you think I'd come to you for advice on psychiatry.

 

[Hunter Rider]

He didn't force his beliefs on anyone from what i saw ,he was asked about them and said what he thought,he never brought it up,as for the Katie stuff i have no idea why anyone cares one way or the other to be honest.i didn't see anyone have conniptions when Bale waffled on about his missus at the MTV awards

This apology was accepted as sincere and genuine by the woman he criticised who spoke to him face to face and yet it's still not enough for some

 

[Erzengel]

I don't necessarily care but after being so quiet and private about his relationship even going back to Mimi Rogers, he's always shyed away from going in depth with his relationships. Is Katie that special that he felt the need to constantly force on the public that he was in love? I have nothing against Cruise. I have no vendetta but it's something I noticed.

Honestly, it's reminded me of people you went to school with, who kept going on and on about how much sex they've had only to find out they were virgins.

 

[Chris Wallace]

To some, it's heartfelt & genuine. To others it's the definition of "Too little, too late."

 

[gvcool2]

oh cmon, theres a world of difference between thanking and acknowledging your loved one's when recieving an award, thats a sign of nobility, on the other hand you have cruises constant drilling of the fact that he is supposedly 'in love with katie holmes' during every public appearance, thats known as being an ass.

 

[Erzengel]

I've watched War of the Worlds, Collateral. I will probably watch MI:3. But Cruise should stick to peddling his movies in his interviews just like most actors.

 

[Hunter Rider]

To some, it's heartfelt & genuine. To others it's the definition of "Too little, too late."

Well since Shields actually spoke to him and the rest of us haven;t I'll take her word for it
what amazes me is that there was a lot less fuss over the racists anti semetic slurs of Mel Gibson

 

[Chris Wallace]

I don't necessarily care but after being so quiet and private about his relationship even going back to Mimi Rogers, he's always shyed away from going in depth with his relationships. Is Katie that special that he felt the need to constantly force on the public that he was in love? I have nothing against Cruise. I have no vendetta but it's something I noticed.

Honestly, it's reminded me of people you went to school with, who kept going on and on about how much sex they've had only to find out they were virgins.

This touches on something I didn't want to talk about, but at the same time he started doing this, rumors & speculation hit the mainstream about whether or not he even liked girls. Is one related to the other? Who knows? Now I keep thinking about the South Park episode where he locked himself in Stan's closet & the on-running joke was...well, you know.

 

[Hunter Rider]

oh cmon, theres a world of difference between thanking and acknowledging your loved one's when recieving an award, thats a sign of nobility, on the other hand you have cruises constant drilling of the fact that he is supposedly 'in love with katie holmes' during every public appearance, thats known as being an ass.

How is it being an ass when it's not harming anyone.,to be an ass results is affecting others with your behaviour,it was corny as hell but **** most celebs are with their "I'm blessed" **** and the aformentioned Bale stuff

 

[matrix_ghost]

sorry my statement was clearly not phrased correctly, I don't support cruise's antics, in fact I think he is wrong, I'm saying if he feels the need to express his beliefs publicly than he should handle the repocussions and not repent when he experiences the backlash.

To not allow the mother to take pain medication during birth is a joke to society

It wasn't pain medication , it's medication for depressed people.
While i agree with you that if you say something , you should be able to handle the backlash , i don't fully agree with the fact that you shouldn't repent.
After all , things can be minsunderstood , especially when you're a famous celebrity and the tabloid press will blow thing waay out of proportions ( c'mon do you honestly believe the whole placenta to be real). All things are picked apart literally and so i don't see why you shouldn't set things straight and apologise if you didn't want to offend someone ?

Alot of people can be blunt about things and just speak their mind without knowing whether they hurt a person or not.
What IMO cruise did is what any person would do. Wait till things cool down and then try to talk things over.


Also we don't know exactly when he came over to apologize now do we.
Shields said that he came by recently. Well technically we can also qualify Paramount dropping cruise as something that happened recently.
We don't know whether the apology came before or after the paramount split.

Besides he's Tom Cruise. Do you honestly think that studios are that scared to work with him. Especially since Jerry Bruckheimer has defended cruise and easily would want to work with him again.
Not too mention the rumors that the chairman of paramount had a wife who also used medication for her depression and rumors say that she ordereded her husband to sakc cruise's company.

 

[Erzengel]

If you wanna go by rumors? Hasn't Mimi Rogers stated that she couldn't have a child with Cruise? Yet after she left him, she was able to have several children with another man? He adopted with Kidman. Now all of a sudden he is able to have a child with Holmes? That must be some magical uterus.

 

[gvcool2]

How is it being an ass when it's not harming anyone.,to be an ass results is affecting others with your behaviour,it was corny as hell but **** most celebs are with their "I'm blessed" **** and the aformentioned Bale stuff

well it's harming his career at the moment, so maybe if you support cruise than you should think about how his actions are going to affect him and his career in the long run.

 

[Chris Wallace]

what amazes me is that there was a lot less fuss over the racists anti semetic slurs of Mel Gibson

I don't know if I agree with that. The only difference I see is that we know for a fact that Tom said what he said, & have known from the get-go. In Mel's case it took about 3 days to clarify & cut through all the speculation. But the backlash has been about the same.

 

[gvcool2]

It wasn't pain medication , it's medication for depressed people.
While i agree with you that if you say something , you should be able to handle the backlash , i don't fully agree with the fact that you shouldn't repent.
After all , things can be minsunderstood , especially when you're a famous celebrity and the tabloid press will blow thing waay out of proportions ( c'mon do you honestly believe the whole placenta to be real). All things are picked apart literally and so i don't see why you shouldn't set things straight and apologise if you didn't want to offend someone ?

Alot of people can be blunt about things and just speak their mind without knowing whether they hurt a person or not.
What IMO cruise did is what any person would do. Wait till things cool down and then try to talk things over.


Also we don't know exactly when he came over to apologize now do we.
Shields said that he came by recently. Well technically we can also qualify Paramount dropping cruise as something that happened recently.
We don't know whether the apology came before or after the paramount split.

Besides he's Tom Cruise. Do you honestly think that studios are that scared to work with him. Especially since Jerry Bruckheimer has defended cruise and easily would want to work with him again.
Not too mention the rumors that the chairman of paramount had a wife who also used medication for her depression and rumors say that she ordereded her husband to sakc cruise's company.

no I'm talking about when cruise wouldn't allow katie holmes to use pain medication for the birth because scientology says so.

 

[Hunter Rider]

well it's harming his career at the moment, so maybe if you support cruise than you should think about how his actions are going to affect him and his career in the long run.

I never said i was supporting him,i personally could care a less about any stars private life so long as it isn't hurting ppl and the stuff he has said whilst having some merit was ludicrous in it's over generalization,the love stuff matters not a bit
Is it hurting him career-wise ? indeed it is and it isn't my career or life to worry about i just think it's a case of the biggest name on the block slipping up and the rabid dogs are jumping on their chance
He's in no way blameless but the overreaction is equally preposterous

 

[matrix_ghost]

Well that's the first time i heard about that
But then again alot of women don't want pain medicine because they want to experience the pain of childbirth.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't know if I agree with that. The only difference I see is that we know for a fact that Tom said what he said, & have known from the get-go. In Mel's case it took about 3 days to clarify & cut through all the speculation. But the backlash has been about the same.

He admitted in his aplogy what he had said and there is nowhere near the media or net fury over it as the Cruise stuff despite the Gibson slurs being far more repugnant