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People Say Venom Can't Have His Own Film

ya I was too lazy to write it, its kind of power but its his salvation basically his whole life is in the muck right now. He feels he is a burden on his sister, he still HATES parker. THat is why he holds Conner hostage, using a scalpel.
 
hmm, very nice job of explaining things....I look forward to where this story will go :yay: Do you plan to make a script?:yay:

course not I hate spiderman hahah jk uhhh I really didn't plan on it if a lot of people want then sure
 
ya I was too lazy to write it, its kind of power but its his salvation basically his whole life is in the muck right now. He feels he is a burden on his sister, he still HATES parker. THat is why he holds Conner hostage, using a scalpel.

There really isn't a moral to any of that. He's just a crazy, angry kid who just goes on a blind rampage throughout the entire film. He still feels one-dimensional. No character development on his part whatsoever.
 
course not I hate spiderman hahah jk uhhh I really didn't plan on it if a lot of people want then sure
LOL I'd like to read it if you do but it's up to you if you have time and want to, great, if not, I really don't mind:cwink:

Whatever you want:yay:
 
well its the beginning, he first starts craving the power and feels like he is doing good. He starts stealing things for his sister ( think scarface). He also wants to be the replacement spiderman as well. IN his mind he is hearing the voice of the symbiote who is encouraging him to let the symbiote take control. He isn't just crazy and angry he feels useless and a burden. He is trying to go legit but more or less he is useless as I said he is black listed and thinks what could solve his problem is the symbiote. What it ends up being is a mental battle between what he wants (venom) and what he knows is right(EB) basically ed ego and super ego
 
I notice you're kissing up to his... rather cliched, mediocre idea. Why?
It's called being nice 1. 2, What do I gain by kissing up? nothing. 3, I think it's a nice idea and he takes others opinions well unlike you which is new to this thread.

Leave me alone I have nothing else to prove to you....just stop talking to ME.:dry:NOW :dry:
 
It's called being nice 1. 2, What do I gain by kissing up? nothing. 3, I think it's a nice idea and he takes others opinions well unlike you which is new to this thread.

Leave me alone I have nothing else to prove to you....just stop talking to ME.:dry:NOW :dry:

Your ideas are cliched, and don't work, though. What he's doing is being nice. It wouldn't work out, though. There are so many cliches in that idea I have to cringe.

Why weren't you nice to me at the start of the thread (like you are to him)? I hadn't seen you post enough to judge you yet, and vice versa. Why did you act so hostile toward me at the beginning of the thread, while you acted kind to him? His idea, quite frankly, could be worse than mine. Why cuddle up to him?
 
Like I said I don't need to prove anything to you so I'm finished with you...since you just seem to continue with me

Others who are looking at this thread I recommend not posting here....you'll regret it...this is a warning :dry:
 
Really? Why not? It has the sort of feeling Spidey 1 and 2 had. It has plot development, an origin story, morals, interesting characters, action, romance, etc, etc, etc.

And you call mine cliche :woot::whatever:

I really could care less because a Superhero movie you can't make it anything but cliche especially in the predicament that the character was put in. Also an fyi about two things I care very little about this story and he talks nice about me because I am oh so cuddly.
 
And you call mine cliche :woot::whatever:

I really could care less because a Superhero movie you can't make it anything but cliche especially in the predicament that the character was put in. Also an fyi about two things I care very little about this story and he talks nice about me because I am oh so cuddly.

Your plot uses overused themes, and ideas. My plot has barely any of those things. Who thought of Shocker being the villain? No one. Who thought of Venom being so flawed, weak, and conflicted? No one. My plot has the elements needed for a good film, but it doesn't necessarily use cliched ideas, and material. Your plot, however, does. Loving, waitress sister? Can't support the villain? Static character deciding to jump into the experiment for no apparent reason? Sure, he could be sympathizing for the symbiote. That doesn't explain why he decided to jump into the experiment.
 
people would see Shocker a mile away because he is in the spiderman universe. All elements are the same, what would separate mine from the regular spiderman formula that yours has is that its antagonist is someone people like. and Venom being flawed weak and conflicted its like the same thing as mine. Everyone already knows the elements of Venom and how he is fighting to keep control but it more or less is what Dr. Ock is all about. Shocker is a villain people would rather see Spiderman fight. Soo defensive rawr kittys got claws
 
You lost me on the losing the memory part. Redemption of supervillains is a joke nowadays. And that symbiote copies Spidey's powers. That's the only thing really going for it. If it was something more like "The Proposition" which it ain't, it might be good.
 
I deleted The_Ones' responses to make it easier to read. Obviously, you two are stupid.

1: I said I was having a conversation with The_Ones. That obviously means I was the one speaking in that transcript. It's common sense.

2: The_Ones is another member of SHH. Duh. I'm posting on the SHH. That should've been obvious.

Use your brains, people.

Pot calling the kettle black, anyone?

And by the way, proving that you weren't actually talking to Sony only makes this more pathetic. This sense of urgency to "improve" this idea and this "Venom movie is inevitable" crap makes no sense.

Once again, want criticism on your fan fiction? Put it in the fan fic forum and let them tell you exactly what we told you. Want to have an open discussion about a Venom solo movie? Then stop jumping down people's throats when they tell you your idea sucks and listen to some new ideas. I don't know how long you've associated with human beings, but most of us don't like being told "Talk only about my crappy idea and if you don't love it, you're ******ed!"
 
I like venom, I like him so much that I did my first fan fiction about him, set as a sequel to the first spiderman movie. My only problem with it is Shocker, we need a different villain for him to face off against, I mean I can see why you would go with shocker with his weapon being vibrations, but I just don't think he would work out as a main villain I could see him being hired by someone to go after venom, but shocker as far as I know has always been about the money, and he built the gauntlets in prision if I remember right. So thats one of my big complaints making me feel sorry for the shocker, I am not sure who they could go with but I am sure we can come up with a villain better than him. I will look into it and see if I can find someone.

***Edit:I have been thinking about it, but picture this take someone from spideys rogue gallery that we are likely to never see in film and use them as shockers employer, and well picture this a gang war between hammerhead and Silvermane, Hammerhead is on the winning end so silvermane hires shocker to try and capture venom hoping to convince him to go after hammerhead's operations, sort of take his mind off of silvermanes operations. I also wouldn't mind seeing Tombstone acting as hammerheads enforcer.

I also think this gang war could work on the west coast, you know so that if they did decide to use tombstone we could avoid throwing in robbie robertson, just because they have history. I could actually see silvermane paying to transport eddie to the west coast while he is still in a coma from the explosion in sm3, have him moved to a special hospital that specializes coma treatment, and yes I know coma is a cliche but it would work, I could see Silverman checking on him constantly and then having connors lab broken into and the symbiote retrieved and sent to him also. Even go so far as to have the symbiote be what is needed to bring eddie out of the coma, because his body has come to rely on it so much.
 
I don't know if he would work as a solo character in the movies, he was portrayed as someone so obsessed and psychotic that trying to turn him tino a hero in the movies might not be possible.

Not saying its impossible but it would be hard.

I think its easier in the comics because of the time you have to develop a character.
Unless the movie is mostly about Eddie/alien being evil most of the movie, I don't know.

Also I would leave the Spider-Man villians to the Spider-Man movies incase they want to continue on with the sequals and make lots more, like a James Bond franchise.
like Spider-Man 7 = Spider-man versus Shocker.
 
Ok Turtle man, your not going to please everyone thats just a sad fact of life, I learned this lesson when I wrote my first fanfiction, if you want to read it send me a pm and I will send you a link it is far from great.

Now on to the story, I can't speak for everyone but me personally I am really bored with the sympathetic villain storyline that the spidey movies have captivated some it works with some it doesn't, I liked spidey 2, but 1, and 3 didn't do a whole lot for me. So I would start off trying to get away from that angle.

Looking at what you have written, I may be the minority here but I think the amnesia would work, to the extent that he can't remember anything from the previous battle with spiderman or his hate and anger at parker.

Here is my idea a little better refined from my previous post.

Eddie Brock is in the hospital as a result of the ending of Spiderman 3, but he is not just injured physically his injury will also be a mental one, have him where he was so completely bonded with the symbiote that in his mind he can not live without it like a drug addict, so when he is separated from it he goes into a coma or they could have him simply be catatonic however they would see fit to do it.

Out on the West Coast Silvermane is losing money and lots to this new mob boss that has moved in on his territory, noone knows much about him, other than he is called hammerhead. Silverman4e being able to see how this war is going to play out in the long run starts looking for potential people that can take this thorn out of his side, and he learns of brocks survival when he reads that the police are waiting on him to come out of the coma or catatonia before arresting him for all the damage he did as venom. Silvermane pays off the right people to have him sent to the west coast under the guise of getting him help at one of the best mental treatment centers in america.

He is actually place in a simulated hospital room in one of silvermanes warehouses where he can keep an eye on brocks progress has a special psychiatrist fly in to examine brock, he explains to silvermane what he has determined about brock not being about to function without the symbiote. Silvermane does some research on the creature and finds that what was left at connors lab was confiscated by the authorities hoping to use it as evidence against brock eventually, once again he sees to it that the right amount of money finds its way to the right people to have the symbiote shipped to him.

They begin testing on the symbiote, seeing if they can get a reaction out of brock, they do he starts off small simply watching it or moving his fingers, but they decide to wait on reuniting him with it, not sure how he will react upon being rejoined with it. They keep it locked in the safe in the warehouse where they are keeping him.

Hammerhead and Tombstone attack the warehouse, after they find out from their man inside that silvermane is working on something big in the warehouse, hoping to clean him out, not realizing what the black goop is when they are going through the safe after getting rid of silvermanes people, hammerhead just drops the cannister breaking it slightly just enough to let the symbiote out, it stays in the cannister, until they are gone then slowly makes its way to brock, but this is still just a small sample of the symbiote not enough to fully restore him, so it climbs on the bed and goes inside his mouth sort of to hibernate while it feeds off him to a small degree until it is strong enough to merge with him again.

Brock awakens because the symbiote is with him again, he just doesn't remember anything, not his name who he is, or where he is. He climbs out of the bed and all he manages to find is a piece of paper with his last name on it, at this point in time he thinks its his first name and goes by brock for awhile. He escapes the warehouse before silvermane reinforcements arrive and is little more than a homless person wandering the streets until the symbiote has time to regenerate.

This is my beginning idea, I have a little more that I am still trying to work out some details on when I figure out where else to go with it, I will edit the post again.
 
well it was just an idea I was throwing out there, you know.

or were you talking about turtle mans?
 
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I'm here to prove you wrong. With some common thinking, a story can be built. Here's evidence (it's also my brainchild/idea. If Marvel steals this idea, great! :D).

There can be good stories for the "Venom" spin-off. They'd have to be 'made-up', but they'd work.

Venom Film Idea (Sectioned Into Subplots)
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Note: Be sure to cast Topher Grace as Eddie Brock, and Bryce Dallas Howard as Gwen Stacy. Also, there should be an opening credits sequence (such as the sequences in Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, and Spider-Man 3).

Venom Second Origin Plot

I was thinking... right now, Eddie's struggling with the memories of Venom/the symbiote. We could use that piece as a bit of the origin story. During the explosion, the symbiote didn't bond to him. A small portion of it did, however. This small piece was enough to cover his body, but the force of the bomb threw his body off of the building. His body landed on the ground, breaking several of his bones. He then lost conscience.


The aftereffects of the Goblin bomb, however, slowly began to destroy that small bit of the symbiote. He was found by someone on the street, and taken to the hospital.


With the newer comics, he's dying, he needs help, he's lost, and he lusts for the suit. He basically needs it to survive. He'd be dying because his body needs the symbiote.

Sort of like an addiction. It's like a drug, a poison, a venom, and it will destroy him until he learns to control it, and take charge. His entire life has been a dump because he has been unable to take control of his life. Without the symbiote, though, he'd wither away. It gives him strength. Spider-Man had his superhuman defenses, which prevented him from being affected by the addiction, but the misguided Eddie has no defenses. Which is what I was going on for this idea.


He wakes up in the hospital, has no idea what was going on, and can't remember anything that has happened. The last thing he remembers was being in the church, and being attacked. He figures he was taken to the hospital because of that. Knocked out in the church, someone took him to the hospital.

When he speaks to the doctor, he's told he was found unconscious on the street. During his stay in the hospital, he hears little echoes, and begins to fear for his life. He then recollects himself, and dismisses it as trauma.


He begins to remember feeling powerful. He once had a sense of rage, and an overwhelming feeling of strength. Once he is out of the hospital, he goes back to his old life, but realizes his parents were killed (this was one of the reasons he broke down initially), and no one will accept his photos. When he goes to Gwen, however, she goes to him. She's lost (her friendship with Peter has vanished), and goes to him for comfort. Their relationship begins to deepen.


All the while, he's beginning to feel like he's missing something. As his rage goes up, his body begins to lose its strength. As he uncovers the reason he will not be hired, he finds the issue of the Daily Bugle in which he is fired.


Memories of the pain and anger he felt during this time begin to drown out his mind, and he can't concentrate on anything other than this feeling. Although he loves Gwen, the feeling of angst, addiction, and suffering are drawing him away from her, and closer to madness. He realizes the feeling of dominating power had come from his appearance as a clone of Spider-Man.


At first, he wants to continue living a life with Gwen, and he decides to try to replicate the feeling of power by creating a Symbiote Spider-Man costume. He decides to go after his father's killer. He feels he had not lived up to the expectations of anyone, and had never achieved that goal before his parents' deaths. He had never been anyone, a passive waste of life. This enrages him.



Going on the wrong information, he dons the cheap Symbiote Spidey costume, carries a knife, and kills an innocent man who tried to retaliate against his aggression. Once he realizes this, he breaks down, and begins to fear for what he is becoming. He wants to be a good person, but knows he has lost his merits. His pain and suffering are growing even more. He still doesn't feel the satisfaction he wanted, and he begins to slowly wither away. This is when he begins to recall the symbiote.


He then jumps back to find a strange figure approaching him, taunting him about power, strength, being more than a nobody. When Eddie questions who he is, the figure tells him they are both one and the same.


His vulnerability, and weaknesses allow him to be influenced by the remnants of his Venom self. His lust for power and dominance grows, and he begins to recall the memories he received from Peter Parker. He recalls a portion of the symbiote being in Doctor Connor's lab.

He realizes it was Peter who took his life away, but also he who passed the symbiote to him. With Gwen on one side of his view, and the warmth of the symbiote on the other, he begins to go insane. He's trying his hardest to stay with Gwen, but the feeling of completion he had with the symbiote is pulling him away from her. He has to make a choice, but he ultimately loses sight of everything, and chooses the 'drug' over the girl. As he approaches the remnants of the symbiote (in Doctor Connor's lab), he witnesses a masked man trying to rob a bank.


His lust for the symbiote's energy begins to sway him to ignore it, but his wish for dominance tells him otherwise. He ignores the man, but is caught in the middle of it when the man kills an innocent girl. Knowing he can't do anything until he has true power, he runs. The thoughts of innocent people dying rattle his mind with sympathy, anger, and confusion.


He breaks into Doctor Connor's lab, viciously looking for the symbiote. In a desperate attempt to keep himself from being lost, and stop his insanity from worsening, he holds the doctor at knife point. When he retaliates, the weak Eddie attacks the doctor, and tells him to bring the symbiote. When the doctor tries to warn him about it, Eddie, lost in his own mayhem, simply tells him that's the only thing keeping him alive, the only thing he wants, the only thing he needs.


He then proceeds to bond with the small amount of symbiote (much less than what he had before). The other side of Eddie tells him he's succeeded, but the feeling doesn't stop his insanity. In fact, it begins to confuse him even further. He escapes from the doctor's lab, distraught with all of the symbiote's twisted whispers, and goes on a rampage, swinging through the dead of night, looking for something to release his rage. He spots a mugger trying to kill another man (in an alley), and confronts him.


Venom lands, and the mugger holds a gun to him. The mugger panics, fearful of Venom. Venom lashes out at the mugger, killing him. He then turns to the victim, and nearly goes after him as well. The victim runs, frightened of the beast. Venom holds back, and retracts his mask. He looks at himself, and has mixed emotions about what he had just done.


Eddie picks himself up, and realizes the suit isn't making him feel any different about himself. The symbiote is blinding him with madness, just as he's been blinding himself throughout his life. If he doesn't take control of his life, nothing will have changed, and he'll still be no one. He's never been able to take charge, he's been weak and afraid, and vows to make something of himself while he still has a chance.


He begins to doubt the symbiote, but succumbs to it for the sake of survival. He remembers Gwen, how she needs him, how she made him smile, and why he has merits. If he can not control himself, he could endanger everyone he loves. He must take control of the monster within rather than allow it to control him. He reluctantly embraces the suit, knowing if he must satisfy the symbiote's hunger, he will prey on the right people, and not take the lives of who he believes to be innocent.


His heightened senses, and the darker emotions raging inside of him make the symbiote difficult to bear, and it begins to become his second half. Both of his identities clash. Eddie wants to pick up his life, and take charge. The symbiote wants to enhance his darker qualities. Both sides collide, making him seek out who he believes is evil, punish those who deserve to feel his pain. He vows to make something out of himself.

Shocker Subplot


Herman Schultz was a talented engineer who sacrificed his entire life to create a technology that could help ease the difficulties of mining. Although he had a not-so-pleasant life outside of his work (his work was always put before his family/friends), he found a passion with pursuing his ideas. He had spent years researching and studying in the field, and had planned to gain wealth, and fame with the help of Oscorp. Oscorp had funded his entire project, hoping his technology would bring back their fortunes. Herman had wished to become wealthy, retire, live a happy life, and try to repair his relationship with his wife, and family.


With Oscorp having nothing left, going bankrupt, they unexpectedly shut down the project, and cut Schultz' funding to preserve any money they had left. Schultz, having felt betrayed, was outraged. Later that week, Schultz attempted to persuade Oscorp to continue funding the project he had spent his blood, sweat, and tears working on. They, however, could do nothing, and dismissed him. Herman Schultz's hard work had gone nowhere. He felt as though his studies were a waste of time, and he had been manipulated by Oscorp into thinking his project even meant anything to anyone. He fell into a depression.



Schultz was left with nothing, he also lost the support from everyone around him. His wife abandoned him, his broken family shunned away from him, and he had no money to live on. Angered, and depressed, he used the technology to break into Oscorp. He killed everyone inside. Having killed so many people, and being on the run, he felt hopeless. With no money, no support, and no life, Schultz broke down. He couldn't do anything to restore his life, so he turned to crime.


He decided this was his only way to gain money, and make a living. That was the only way he could survive.
For the remainder of the film, Shocker pretty much only commits crime to survive. His first robbery attempt happens in Eddie's presence. Eddie, walking by the bank, happens to notice a cloaked man walking into the bank. He dismisses this as nothing, but when a man is thrown out the window (shattering the window), Eddie transforms into Venom, and confronts Shocker (a short battle commences, with Venom being defeated by Shocker's high-frequency air blasts). Shocker escapes.


Venom stalks Shocker, and finds him entering a hotel, and follows him. He transforms into Eddie, and follows Shocker into the building. Shocker has vanished, though (his costume has been removed. Herman is in the scene), and Eddie leaves. Shocker hesitates, and becomes enraged that Venom is stopping his attempts to make a living for himself. At first, he believes it is Spider-Man, but he realizes Venom is something completely different.


He tries to lure Venom by taking a small group of hostages, and when Venom arrives, they both confront each other in a fight similar to the epic Spidey 2 bank robbery battle. Hopefully, Tobey Maguire can make a cameo appearance for this.


Venom arrives, and Spidey happens to arrive as well, but Venom glances at him, and tells him this is his prey. Venom and Shocker proceed with their battle. At one point, Shocker is caught in Venom's clutch. Shocker looks at Venom, and, in panic, asks what he is. Venom retracts his mask (revealing Eddie), and smirks. "I'm a poison to you. I'll make you suffer. I am your... Venom". The symbiote begins to cover his mask once more, but Shocker blasts Venom backward, and knocks him toward a building. Venom flips, and lands on the wall.


In retreat, Shocker blasts a child off of the top of the building. Venom feels an urge to go after Shocker, but begins to realize the child has done nothing wrong to deserve a death like that.


He reluctantly rescues the child, taking his focus off of his prey. Shocker has vanished. Shocker, realizing Venom will only hunt him down until death, waits for Venom behind the fence of a hydroelectric plant. Shocker wants to get him out of the way without delay.


Venom, looking for his target/his kill, arrives, and confronts Shocker. Shocker asks him "when are you going to give me a break? This is my life, this is how I make a living". "Your life is worthless," Venom states as he charges toward Shocker. A full-on battle ensues. The battle rages on, ascending from the bottom of the plant to the top. The plant is literally being torn to shreds by Shocker's blasts, and Venom's vicious attacks.


As Venom dodges Shocker's blows, the Shocker nears him. Venom lunges toward Shocker, and knocks him off his feet. Shocker blasts a ray directly at Venom, and strikes him down. The battle then moves to the bridge of the hydroelectric plant, near the dam. Shocker releases a powerful blast of air, shattering every window within a radius of 50 meters.


At this point, Venom seems defeated. He attempts to web the Shocker, but the symbiote goo retreats as the vibrations close in on him. In an effort to save himself, Venom jumps down into the water. Shocker taunts Venom, then proceeds to blast the water. The currents he is creating, however, cause the ensuing splashes to block out his view of Venom.



Shocker, after waiting several moments, believes Venom has been killed. Venom, however, had climbed out of the water, and is hiding behind one of the dam's walls. As Shocker walks in that direction, Venom jumps, webs the dam, pulls himself up in a quick motion, and webs the Shocker toward himself. As Venom lands, Shocker is still in the air. He jumps once more, places his fist onto Shocker's torso, and pushes him downward to the ground, breaking several of Shocker's ribs.


Venom reveals his face to Shocker, takes his mask off, and stares into his eyes. They converse. Basically, Shocker is vulnerable. Venom looks at him, says nothing. Shocker takes his mask off Herman begins to talk about how Oscorp took his life away. And how he lost everything. His world was torn into chaos. In a desperate move, he began to steal money. Not because he was greedy, but because he had to live, because it was the only way he could survive.

His heart beats quickly as he begs to live. Venom begins to stare at him. He closes his eyes for a moment. At the same time, the voice inside his head is urging him to kill, that the man is a criminal, evil, someone who's lost his right to live. The symbiote covers Eddie's face, and he crushes Shocker. He then tosses him into the dam.


As he begins to swing away, he stops, and his eyes open wide. He realizes the man was similar to himself. Fighting to survive. Letting the darker side inside of him take over so he could live. Eddie steps backward, panicked. Shocker and he were in the same situation, and he just killed him. Eddie backs up, confused, disgruntled. The screen goes white for a second, and the figure appears once more, telling Eddie he can no longer be worried about these things if he wants to survive.


He came to it, not the other way around. He longed for it, and this is his burden to carry if he wants to live. He must accept it, or the pain will only hurt him further. "We are one and the same", basically. He closes his eyes, and looks at what he's become. He can't tell what's right from wrong anymore. He's lost his mind. Eddie (unmasked) looks at the sky as the daybreak arrives. The sky is still very dark and blue. He then looks at his hands.


In a voiceover kind of thing, Eddie talks about being unable to go back to his life. He can never risk hurting the ones he loves, and he must withstand his demons to prevent anyone else from their reach. He holds the symbiote to survive, to keep his mind intact, to prevent the monster from consuming someone else. It is his punishment, his retribution.


He walks along the dam, and the camera pulls back slowly to reveal the city. It then zooms out quickly to a sequence in which he swings through the bright city, the sky pitch-black.


At the end of the swing, he drops from the web, and the camera (still up in the air) shifts to look down at him. As he disappears from sight (dropping to the ground/landing on the street), the lens begins to blur as the lights from the street shine. The screen fades to black.


Eddie's Life Subplot

Inbetween his scenes as Venom, Eddie could be trying to live a regular life, trying to find a job (low salary), and, at times, struggling with the pain of the symbiote. If he were to take up the mantle as Venom full-time, how would he survive?

If he were to take up the mantle as Venom full-time, how would he survive? By the end, however, he gives up his life as Eddie Brock to prevent anyone else from being hurt. Also, Eddie (as Eddie) would probably run into Peter Parker, and they'd both have a quick glimpse at each other. Eddie would probably tell him he isn't looking for vengeance.
Let it go; it's not gonna happen. And it shouldn't.
 

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