Poster/Moderator Discussion Thread!

[SupahSaiyangirl]

That doesn't seem so terrible if it's done as ribbing between each side, The issue comes when stuff like *"Ha the Wii is failing you dumb mother****er" becomes part of the equation, the compromise is that if you guys can tone down that aspect then leeway can be reached.

* I have no idea what is failing right now, just an example.

that's what matt's talking about
its okay to say the wii sucks compared to the 360

but some you guys go:

whoever bought a wii is ******ed and not harcore this and on and on.....and that pisses people off

we've all been guilty of this at one time or another, but some of guys make it a personal mission to piss the hell out of people. not saying any of the posters are guilty of doing that in here. but it gets old after a when where thread disinigrates into a shouting match.

 

[Jerry!]

Your bridge burning skills leave me in awe. Seriously look at what you've posted, you're sitting here trying to bully people and bringing age long feuds from your hurt ego into the equation. Maybe you're vindictive enough to be as thorough as you say. Look, I know it sucks to come into a situation and feel like immediately the waters are against you, and I know it sucks to have someone be like "You're doing it wrong", and that was a a very nice first post... but everything after that has been a very needless display of brevado. You have other mods coming in here trying to smooth the water for you, does that tell you nothing.

If people weren't coming down on him and complaining from his first post on this wouldn't be a big deal.

 

[XtromaniaK]

Agreed with WHF. We are a much closer group of posters (considering how few of us there are) compared to the whole of the Community forum. We will sling insults each others way from time to time but it's hardly meant as scathing defamation. When we do fight, it's not meant as a "GTFO of my forum, you moron!". Even if we have irreconciliable differences in opinion and might have a tiff with them from time to time, we don't want them to leave. They're a part of our group and they're just as welcome as the people we entirely agree with.

 

[XtromaniaK]

If people weren't coming down on him and complaining from his first post on this wouldn't be a big deal.

It wouldn't have been a big deal if he hadn't responded in a completely condescending and haughty manner, either.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The important thing here is that we're primarily a close-knit group of posters who have been talking to each other for years, have our own personalities and we respect each other's quirks, shortcomings and the like. The veterans here can "rib" each other to no end, but the problem comes when the newb walks in, doesn't understand what s/he's seeing to be either friendly or satirical, and then reports someone.

Now obviously it's okay to keep things to a reasonable (but not G-rated) level, but if Zenien calls me something completely awful, I really don't care because I know Zenien and in all likelihood, I was expecting her to call me whatever awful thing she may have. (Not that Zenien ever called me anything awful, just a for-instance)

i understand how that works, Ive been part of the wrestling thread here for a couple of years and we have a short hand, some could read and think we were fighting but it's not that, it's just banter.

I see it like this, evaluation of each situation is the key. Blas is someone I know pretty well and respect. he knows the dynamic between posters and that will be of help. the other side of that is if the banter become an all out flame war that takes over a thread then there will have to be a punishment as fits the situation, Many arguments i will simply tell both posters to drop it, the punishments only come if they continue beyond that point. If a newbie reports something due to not understanding the dynamic then we can take that into account and he can get into the forum and see how it flows, but if you guys start just ripping a new guy b/c he doesn't share your views then that's not acceptable. i really see no reason that this has to be a war if some give and take is reached.

 

[SupahSaiyangirl]

Agreed with WHF. We are a much closer group of posters (considering how few of us there are) compared to the whole of the Community forum. We will sling insults each others way from time to time but it's hardly meant as scathing defamation. When we do fight, it's not meant as a "GTFO of my forum, you moron!". Even if we have irreconciliable differences in opinion and might have a tiff with them from time to time, we don't want them to leave. They're a part of our group and they're just as welcome as the people we entirely agree with.

i agree that most of the time its just joke but even between the the oldest members stuff starts to go down hill fast. and the jokes 5 mins become serious battles

exibit A: misc board, console wars thread sometimes things go from conversation to confrentation...hell hast no furry like a fanboy. and boy does the fanboyedness come out in a bad way. so maybe a little law and oreder wouldnt be too bad, i dont think matt will become forum-nazi but make sure fanboy wars dont become all out asaults on one another.

 

[GFreeman]

I am asking the long term posters here what exactly is your issues and concerns ? This place as i am sure you realise isn't a free for all, Community is mentioned but it has a 10 to 1 ratio compared to this place and a large turnover of very active threads, it's a lot harder to catch everything.

1) We don't need a guy coming in, using his new red name to carry out personal grudges, first of all. Read through WHF's post history. The idea that he's some huge trouble maker is a joke. The only thing WHF has done is argue with Matt in the past, and everyone who's been here for any length of time can see that. As far as this thread in particuliar, that's the main problem. Before the end of page 1, our new mod turned into that kid from high school with a list of people who were mean to him.

2) In general, I think the biggest concern is that you sometimes get mods in here who see a heated discussion about comics, and because they like comics, and have an opinion, it's ok for them. They don't mind. It's just a discussion. And then you get that same mod who comes in here, sees a heated discussion about a game or a console, and because they don't like games, and because they don't have an opinion, it gets labeled a stupid flame war, people get probation, and we get a condescending post about putting down our gameboys.

If a thread about The Ultimates turns into Bryan Hitch vs Joe Mad, it's generally seen as ok, mods don't really seem to mind that. But if a thread about Knights of the Old Republic turns into Bioware vs Obsidian, essentially the same kind of discussion, someone comes in here, labels it spam, bans someone, and then acts indignant that anyone would dare question the choice.

For a long time now, you've had people get accused of trolling, flaming, spamming, etc, when they wouldn't be accused of these things if the subject matter were different. That's why most of us want someone who is into games enough to not make mistakes like that, to not come in and kill a perfectly legit discussion simply because they don't get it.



Those are the biggest issues, IMO. All this long string of grudge bans and misunderstanding has done for this forum is cause even more trouble, and even more rule breaking.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

i understand how that works, Ive been part of the wrestling thread here for a couple of years and we have a short hand, some could read and think we were fighting but it's not that, it's just banter.

I see it like this, evaluation of each situation is the key. Blas is someone I know pretty well and respect. he knows the dynamic between posters and that will be of help. the other side of that is if the banter become an all out flame war that takes over a thread then there will have to be a punishment as fits the situation, Many arguments i will simply tell both posters to drop it, the punishments only come if they continue beyond that point. If a newbie reports something due to not understanding the dynamic then we can take that into account and he can get into the forum and see how it flows, but if you guys start just ripping a new guy b/c he doesn't share your views then that's not acceptable. i really see no reason that this has to be a war if some give and take is reached.

Right. I haven't personally seen any instances of "get the n00b!" but I agree that it's not good for the forum and I don't think any of the vets here have ever ripped anyone for being new. Most of the time if there's a quality poster, everyone loves him/her and there's no problem.

However, if a newcomer comes by and is making factually wrong statements, it should be expected that a discussion begins around that. Usually those boil down to endless quoting-sprees and some people find that aggressive. Occasionally we get newbies who just want a fight. In either instance like you say, just take it case-by-case. All we want to do is talk games and the industry and people behind it.

 

[SupahSaiyangirl]

this is why someone who is knowledgeable in video games, but not too involved in these forums to hold a grudge should be picked. i mean we would all like to say we wouldnt become forum nazi if we were mods, but a lot of us would become corupted by the status and bring back old grudges. but if we get an objective person then bias would be less likely to happen.

 

[XtromaniaK]

this is why someone who is knowledgeable in video games, but not too involved in these forums to hold a grudge should be picked. i mean we would all like to say we wouldnt become forum nazi if we were mods, but a lot of us would become corupted by the status and bring back old grudges. but if we get an objective person then bias would be less likely to happen.

But we need someone who is involved in games discussion because those who are usually not don't get it. They don't understand our intensity over the subject, and that ends up with many of us getting banned and starting again. It creates a horribly irritable atmosphere.

And this is one of the reasons why we're complaining.

 

[Hunter Rider]

1) We don't need a guy coming in, using his new red name to carry out personal grudges, first of all. Read through WHF's post history. The idea that he's some huge trouble maker is a joke. The only thing WHF has done is argue with Matt in the past, and everyone who's been here for any length of time can see that. As far as this thread in particuliar, that's the main problem. Before the end of page 1, our new mod turned into that kid from high school with a list of people who were mean to him.

Things got off on the wrong foot, this section has a reputation (Perhaps unjustly) of being hell on SHH. approaching this style of topic was always gonna be hard, i think we can all move past that.

2) In general, I think the biggest concern is that you sometimes get mods in here who see a heated discussion about comics, and because they like comics, and have an opinion, it's ok for them. They don't mind. It's just a discussion. And then you get that same mod who comes in here, sees a heated discussion about a game or a console, and because they don't like games, and because they don't have an opinion, it gets labeled a stupid flame war, people get probation, and we get a condescending post about putting down our gameboys.

If a thread about The Ultimates turns into Bryan Hitch vs Joe Mad, it's generally seen as ok, mods don't really seem to mind that. But if a thread about Knights of the Old Republic turns into Bioware vs Obsidian, essentially the same kind of discussion, someone comes in here, labels it spam, bans someone, and then acts indignant that anyone would dare question the choice.

For a long time now, you've had people get accused of trolling, flaming, spamming, etc, when they wouldn't be accused of these things if the subject matter were different. That's why most of us want someone who is into games enough to not make mistakes like that, to not come in and kill a perfectly legit discussion simply because they don't get it.

I see, well we can make a move to stop that being an issue, as long as the debates are intelligent and civilly conducted then this wont be an issue, i understand that perhaps some see games as silly or less relevant but that is not gonna be the case. Every topic can have passionate posters who really know their stuff and that can be respected as long as respect for conducting the debate is also given.

Those are the biggest issues, IMO. All this long string of grudge bans and misunderstanding has done for this forum is cause even more trouble, and even more rule breaking.

Then I'm saying consider this a fresh start.

 

[GFreeman]

But we need someone who is involved in games discussion because those who are usually not don't get it. They don't understand our intensity over the subject, and that ends up with many of us getting banned and starting again. It creates a horribly irritable atmosphere.

And this is one of the reasons why we're complaining.

It doesn't need to be someone who doesn't hold a grudge, just someone who isn't going to act on it. Everyone who's been here holds some sort of grudge. Drakon hated NOFX and I'm fairly certain he threatened to burn him alive at one point, but he was never like "this is your last warning because I hate you" or anything. Frankly, I don't even care if you do ban people because you don't like them, I've done it, just don't take this pompous attitude acting like they've committed some horrible crime other than offending you.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Right. I haven't personally seen any instances of "get the n00b!" but I agree that it's not good for the forum and I don't think any of the vets here have ever ripped anyone for being new. Most of the time if there's a quality poster, everyone loves him/her and there's no problem.

However, if a newcomer comes by and is making factually wrong statements, it should be expected that a discussion begins around that. Usually those boil down to endless quoting-sprees and some people find that aggressive. Occasionally we get newbies who just want a fight. In either instance like you say, just take it case-by-case. All we want to do is talk games and the industry and people behind it.

Case by case is definitely how i see the way forward, trying to get a grip on the dynamics here is another. If you guys can work with us in toning down some of the angrier stuff then i see no reason why some understanding of the passionate debates can't be given.

 

[Zenien]

Zenienformod*****es.

 

[XtromaniaK]

There is no self-nomination here. Go back to Cuba, communist.

 

[Purple Prancer]

Anyone but Matt

 

[Zenien]

There is no self-nomination here. Go back to Cuba, communist.

There's no self nomination in Cuba either.

 

[DOG LIPS]

Anyone but Matt

You're gonna take your Matt and like it, mister!

 

[SupahSaiyangirl]

i mean involved to a point, but not one to take sides. if anyone can find a
ps360wii fan then maybe we might stand a chance.

 

[XtromaniaK]

There's no self nomination in Cuba either.

You would believe that. Only more proof that you're a dirty, conniving communist.

 

[Hunter Rider]

There's no self nomination in Cuba either.

Nice women and cigars though.

 

[Purple Prancer]

You're gonna take your Matt and like it, mister!

I have a thermometer and know how to use it. Back off




Or maybe you're into that kind of stuff

 

[DOG LIPS]

I have a thermometer and know how to use it. Back off

Sticking things in your rear while I'm talking to you changes nothing!

 

[GFreeman]

I thought they were supposed to mod zenien in like 2004 anyways. It's a pity it never happened, seeing THWIP live under her iron fist would have been great.



As for new beginnings, I'm willing to give it a shot, I think everyone is, but we haven't seen anything new really. These heart to hearts have been done before, and after a month or so, everything goes back to the way it was. Mods take a "us vs them" look at things, ban people for little reason, and the cycle starts again. I'm not kidding when I say this is seriously the 5th or 6th time I've seen this discussion, with this result.

 

[XtromaniaK]

Sticking things in your rear while I'm talking to you changes nothing!

So you are into that sort of thing? Not exactly the most wholesome piece of information I have been given today.