Pregnant Man

[chaseter]

did you watch the opera thing? if you did... you would know the baby has been perfectly safe the whole time. and the hormones are at a normal female level. The baby is perfectly healthy and if any risk, it was at the very beginning. Which they were very safe about.

So if this woman/guy stopped taking hormones and is now producing female hormones, will that not affect the male hormones in place now or even make him/her grow back breasts?

I just hope with all this publicity that the baby is 100% healthy. I think he/she is a media ****e and is trumping this up a bit but I hope the kid has a normal life.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Does he/she still have a vajayjay? And did Oprah ask that?

 

[Whirlysplat]

I wonder who it was from the travelling show that shagged the bearded "lady"? I suggest the strongman!

 

[MaskedManJRK]

OK,...but my question is this: If Thomas stopped taking testosterone so long ago, then where is all this facial hair still coming from?

...Because he decided not to shave?

I have a book recommendation for you that I think you'd find very interesting..."Queer Theory, Gender Theory" by Riki Wilchins. Look into it, it's a very philosophical read.

Hehehe, silly Pickles--Slimdog doesn't read!

I kid, I kid. I riddicule with love.

 

[Victarion]

What crevasse will the little one be coming out of?

 

[Memphis Slim]

Trip.

No "Pregnant man" here.

We have a Lesbian in a relationship who surgically tweaked herself then got pregnant.

I kinda wish they got no attention at all.

Understand that I have issue with you first determining what sex you are BY CHOICE Then expecting kudo's for doing what your body is designed to do ANYWAY.

There is really nothing "special" about this except the woman insist on being called a man.

Tsk.

Too true......

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So if this woman/guy stopped taking hormones and is now producing female hormones, will that not affect the male hormones in place now or even make him/her grow back breasts?

I just hope with all this publicity that the baby is 100% healthy. I think he/she is a media ****e and is trumping this up a bit but I hope the kid has a normal life.

no, his breasts were cut off, and some things hormones do to a body is hard to reverse. He just doesnt look as masculine as he did when he was in full hormone mode.

the baby is healthy there OB-GYN was on and explaining it

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That is indeed what the doctor is claiming, as also reported on MSNBC:



OK,...but my question is this: If Thomas stopped taking testosterone so long ago, then where is all this facial hair still coming from?

Can a transgendered F to M keep growing man-like amounts of facial hair without a constant hormone treatment?

who said he's kept growing it? that could be 2 year old hair he simply doesnt have to shave since he's not on hormones

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Trip.

No "Pregnant man" here.

We have a Lesbian in a relationship who surgically tweaked herself then got pregnant.

I kinda wish they got no attention at all.

Understand that I have issue with you first determining what sex you are BY CHOICE Then expecting kudo's for doing what your body is designed to do ANYWAY.

There is really nothing "special" about this except the woman insist on being called a man.

Tsk.

wow............... the world really wasn't ready for this..

i love how people seem to have say in what makes him a man or not... especially when the only 2 things needed to make it so is the law, and the person themselves. When people say "shes a woman because she was turned into a man" thats just pure ignorance. she essentially grew a penis on hormones (the clitoris on hormones swells and actually looks like a penis). And our government, a stuck up one at that which wont even allow gays to marry allow them and recognize him as a male and can marry... maybe you guys should to? because on all standards but yourself, your wrong.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Genetically, she's still a woman. Or there would be no womb in which the baby could grow. I can, however, respect Tom's lifestyle & refer to him as such & not Tracy. But no amount of pills or surgery can change what you are inside.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Genetically, she's still a woman. Or there would be no womb in which the baby could grow. I can, however, respect Tom's lifestyle & refer to him as such & not Tracy. But no amount of pills or surgery can change what you are inside.

Well at least you respect his wishes and are purely call him being a woman on a biological stand point... but i'm sure he still wouldn't like being called a she, either

 

[Chris Wallace]

Probably not. I'm moreso worried about the kid; growing up is hard enough without people looking at you like you're some kind of abomination. Or rather, that your father is.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Probably not. I'm moreso worried about the kid; growing up is hard enough without people looking at you like you're some kind of abomination. Or rather, that your father is.

theres worse things though. It's all how the kids raised though, at least his father looks like a man. I'm sure the kid will have a good mentality, very few are blessed with easy childhoods, and everything happens for a reason, so if negative things happen it will only make the kid stronger.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I hope. BTW I sent you an add request on MySpace.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

accepted

 

[The Lizard]

Well at least you respect his wishes and are purely call him being a woman on a biological stand point... but i'm sure he still wouldn't like being called a she, either

This brings up a key point with regard to the debate over the perception of scientific gender vs personal gender identity. This is a country where people in general don't like to be told what to do in social situations. The majority of the media seems to choosing to honor Thomas's wishes and calling him a man and using solely masculine pronouns in the news story. However, the idea of calling someone whatever they want to be called might be politically correct, but not everyone is going to accept that scenario as being true just because they are told to.

Is Thomas actually a pregnant man? No, he's a pregnant trans-man who still has some of his original female parts. Just because the state of Oregon legally recognizes him as a man and he himself says he's a man doesn't make that a scientific fact. Respecting people's personal wishes is one thing, but when that respect and recognition is demanded across the board, it's only natural that some people are going to rebel against what they are being told to perceive.

For example, if I, a caucasian, were to undergo some kind of melanin-boosting treatment that made my skin turn brown and altered my hair color and facial structure to resemble an African-American, I could call myself "black". I wouldn't be genetically black, and I wouldn't have the life-experience of being black, but I could demand that people around me call me a black man. A lot of them would probably go along with it, but a lot of them wouldn't and there are valid reasons why they wouldn't.

My point is, it's possible to feel that Thomas can live his own life in any way he sees fit, but also NOT feel required to view Thomas as a "pregnant man", just because he says he is. This attitude does not automatically make a person "ignorant" or "bigoted", as many so love to claim.

 

[Handsome Rob]

This brings up a key point with regard to the debate over the perception of scientific gender vs personal gender identity. This is a country where people in general don't like to be told what to do in social situations. The majority of the media seems to choosing to honor Thomas's wishes and calling him a man and using solely masculine pronouns in the news story. However, the idea of calling someone whatever they want to be called might be politically correct, but not everyone is going to accept that scenario as being true just because they are told to.

Is Thomas actually a pregnant man? No, he's a pregnant trans-man who still has some of his original female parts. Just because the state of Oregon legally recognizes him as a man and he himself says he's a man doesn't make that a scientific fact. Respecting people's personal wishes is one thing, but when that respect and recognition is demanded across the board, it's only natural that some people are going to rebel against what they are being told to perceive.

For example, if I, a caucasian, were to undergo some kind of melanin-boosting treatment that made my skin turn brown and altered my hair color and facial structure to resemble an African-American, I could call myself "black". I wouldn't be genetically black, and I wouldn't have the life-experience of being black, but I could demand that people around me call me a black man. A lot of them would probably go along with it, but a lot of them wouldn't and there are valid reasons why they wouldn't.

My point is, it's possible to feel that Thomas can live his own life in any way he sees fit, but also NOT feel required to view Thomas as a "pregnant man", just because he says he is. This attitude does not automatically make a person "ignorant" or "bigoted", as many so love to claim.

Beautiful.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

This brings up a key point with regard to the debate over the perception of scientific gender vs personal gender identity. This is a country where people in general don't like to be told what to do in social situations. The majority of the media seems to choosing to honor Thomas's wishes and calling him a man and using solely masculine pronouns in the news story. However, the idea of calling someone whatever they want to be called might be politically correct, but not everyone is going to accept that scenario as being true just because they are told to.

Is Thomas actually a pregnant man? No, he's a pregnant trans-man who still has some of his original female parts. Just because the state of Oregon legally recognizes him as a man and he himself says he's a man doesn't make that a scientific fact. Respecting people's personal wishes is one thing, but when that respect and recognition is demanded across the board, it's only natural that some people are going to rebel against what they are being told to perceive.

For example, if I, a caucasian, were to undergo some kind of melanin-boosting treatment that made my skin turn brown and altered my hair color and facial structure to resemble an African-American, I could call myself "black". I wouldn't be genetically black, and I wouldn't have the life-experience of being black, but I could demand that people around me call me a black man. A lot of them would probably go along with it, but a lot of them wouldn't and there are valid reasons why they wouldn't.

My point is, it's possible to feel that Thomas can live his own life in any way he sees fit, but also NOT feel required to view Thomas as a "pregnant man", just because he says he is. This attitude does not automatically make a person "ignorant" or "bigoted", as many so love to claim.

i think saying trans-man is one thing... but woman is something else. if people wanna call him trans-man thats fine, but still calling him a woman, when he has a penis, grows facial hair, lacks breasts and a vagina, has an adams apple and armpit hair and can actually get sensation from banging his wife.... i find it only stubbornness and the refusal to accept him as a man... because logically one would assume if you couldn't accept him as a man, how could you accept him as a woman? What makes a man a man anyway? is it biology? is it personality? is it what you are physically? its all just different beliefs... thats almost like taking a hermaphrodite who was chosen (by there parents) to be a boy, when there looks and personality is that of a girl. Is she still a boy? People want to define this into a black and white situation, and it clearly is not

 

[chaseter]

wow............... the world really wasn't ready for this..

i love how people seem to have say in what makes him a man or not... especially when the only 2 things needed to make it so is the law, and the person themselves. When people say "shes a woman because she was turned into a man" thats just pure ignorance. she essentially grew a penis on hormones (the clitoris on hormones swells and actually looks like a penis). And our government, a stuck up one at that which wont even allow gays to marry allow them and recognize him as a male and can marry... maybe you guys should to? because on all standards but yourself, your wrong.

Men can't have babies so naturally, he is still a woman.

 

[Logan's Runt]

A woman with a penis.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Men can't have babies so naturally, he is still a woman.

biologically he was born a woman,chemically, socially, mentally, legally etc... he is a man and has the right to be

 

[The Lizard]

i think saying trans-man is one thing... but woman is something else. if people wanna call him trans-man thats fine, but still calling him a woman, when he has a penis, grows facial hair, lacks breasts and a vagina, has an adams apple and armpit hair and can actually get sensation from banging his wife....

Just for the record, has it been established that Thomas doesn't still have a vagina? From the way the artificial insemination was described, it sounds like there's still a birth canal there. That would make sense if the "penis" is actually just a hormonally enlarged clitoris instead of the surgically-created penis that actually replaces the vagina in some F to M operations.

i find it only stubbornness and the refusal to accept him as a man... because logically one would assume if you couldn't accept him as a man, how could you accept him as a woman? What makes a man a man anyway? is it biology? is it personality? is it what you are physically? its all just different beliefs... thats almost like taking a hermaphrodite who was chosen (by there parents) to be a boy, when there looks and personality is that of a girl. Is she still a boy? People want to define this into a black and white situation, and it clearly is not

There may indeed be stubbornness at work here, but as you said, it can come from the different perceptions and beliefs, and those aren't all rooted in ignorance or sexual repression. Hermaphrodites are the big variable of course, even though they make up a teeny tiny percentage of the gender populations. A lot of the perception-related stuff isn't black and white like you said, but when something scientific like conceiving a child comes into the equation, it becomes pretty black-and-white for most people since pregnant=female for the last 600 million years or so.

 

[chaseter]

biologically he was born a woman,chemically, socially, mentally, legally etc... he is a man and has the right to be

He does have a right to be yes, no one said otherwise. But men cannot biologically have babies so I guess from woman to man to woman A person that is chemically, socially, mentally, legally, etc... and is a man cannot have babies. So therefore a more appropriate term such as trans gender male is seemingly more appropriate than the black/white male/female.

Also, if this person has the mindset that they are indeed a man and had the surgery and law documents to prove it, would having a baby not psychologically question or harm an individual's mind after going through all that trouble to change yourself?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Just for the record, has it been established that Thomas doesn't still have a vagina? From the way the artificial insemination was described, it sounds like there's still a birth canal there. That would make sense if the "penis" is actually just a hormonally enlarged clitoris instead of the surgically-created penis that actually replaces the vagina in some F to M operations.



There may indeed be stubbornness at work here, but as you said, it can come from the different perceptions and beliefs, and those aren't all rooted in ignorance or sexual repression. Hermaphrodites are the big variable of course, even though they make up a teeny tiny percentage of the gender populations. A lot of the perception-related stuff isn't black and white like you said, but when something scientific like conceiving a child comes into the equation, it becomes pretty black-and-white for most people since pregnant=female for the last 600 million years or so.

oprah didnt go into alot of detail about it, and im not sure what all else he had, to me it sounded like some surgery too... but the testosterone did enlarge his clitoris and when a clitoris is enlarged it looks remarkably like a penis (according to them). i haven't heard a yes or no answer on if he's had surgery there too, and from what i've read there is no birth cannal, he's having a C-section.

and i can understand that, but I still think it's wrong to call him a female. At least out of human respect.

 

[The Lizard]

and i can understand that, but I still think it's wrong to call him a female. At least out of human respect.

Fair enough. Obviously if I was friends with this couple I would call Thomas whatever he wanted me to call him regardless of my own personal opinions.