Prince of Persia:The Sands of Time

[carrrnuttt]

There isn't an ounce of proof here, you posted a bunch of pics just like you did before, and not many ppl would mistake any of them (real pics not drawings) as white.

One question. What ethnicity would you consider Greeks?

Consider that there in most states, the "ethnicity" portion of any questionnaire or application form can only consist of these:

Caucasian
Pacific Islander
Hispanic
Native
African
Other

With "other" being reserved for those with mixed ethnicities. So, with that, what ethnicity should a Greek person put themselves under?

 

[CelticPredator]

The Greeks ethnicty is AWWWEEEEESSSSOME. They have GLLOOORRRRY that RUUUUNS through their VAAAAAINNNNSSSS.....

 

[carrrnuttt]

Hunter Rider will probably attack the source, but here's the best explanation I can link to, as I remember it being explained to me: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090501061912AA1UArl

Are persian(iranian) people considered white?
i know people in soushern iran have dark skin, but my question is about ppl in the centre and north of iran.do u consider them white?

Yes Iranians are mostly white... you're right... southern parts of Iran has even African black inhabitants but as you travel upper and upper u see different types of people... for example south eastern Iranian look more like Pakistani, i don't mention Afgans because they areOriginal Persian too and they are considered white (except those mongolian Afgans, cuz look more mongols or chineese). in north eastern you can see people more like central asian (even with oriental eyes) countries like Uzbakistan. north and center of Iran has mostly white caucasian skin and western and north western parts you'll see white poeple also Turkish looks and Kurds. kurds who are considered as Original Persians therefore you can find Aryan Persians on north eastern - northern and central and northe western and western parts. at last you cant clasify Persians as Middle eastern because Middle easterns (refers to most arab countries + some northern African countries) has semitic origin and Persian have Aryan origin.

Middle eastern people are considered Caucasoid. This doesn't mean you have to have blonde hair and blue eyes--though actually a surprising amount of persians DO. (green eyes are common too.) Making them out to be ALL dark is just another stereotype--like all Irish have red hair (most are dark), English are blonde and Germanic looking (50% have brown hair/eyes),all Spaniards are dark--many are fair and even blue eyed esp in the north.

I'd like to know where some of the brainboxes on here imagine the ancestors of modern Europeans came from? Mars? Atlantis? Well, the fact is They came out of the near and middle east,with the last major migrations in the neolithic--around 6000-8000 years ago. They share many of the same dna types as the average Europeans or older types from which these haplogroups descended.

 

[carrrnuttt]

The Greeks ethnicty is AWWWEEEEESSSSOME. They have GLLOOORRRRY that RUUUUNS through their VAAAAAINNNNSSSS.....

I asked about the Greeks, because they can only classify themselves as Caucasian in the US, but in truth, none of the Greek people below will be called "White," which I assume Hunter Rider was referring to, when he said that the Persian people I linked to will never be mistaken for "White," yet every Persian I have ever met, classified themselves as "Caucasian."

 

[Hunter Rider]

You seem to be of the mistaken view that this is solely about your tiresome one man crusade, of which I have told you to drop it on several occasions.

One question. What ethnicity would you consider Greeks?

Consider that there in most states, the "ethnicity" portion of any questionnaire or application form can only consist of these:

Caucasian
Pacific Islander
Hispanic
Native
African
Other

With "other" being reserved for those with mixed ethnicities. So, with that, what ethnicity should a Greek person put themselves under?

Greeks tend to look more Hispanic then any other option there.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Did someone mention the Greeks? Alexander the Great was a badass.

Also, casting Jake G was a bit of a smart move on Bruckheimer's part. I'm very curious to see how Jake does in a mainstream, big budget studio movie. He's done a lot of smaller films in his career, some of them to critical acclaim. This movie will determine if he can carry a bigger film.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I asked about the Greek, because they can only classify themselves as Caucasian in the US, but in truth, none of the Greek people below will be called "White," which I assume Hunter Rider was referring to, when he said that the Persian people I linked to will never be mistaken for "White," yet every Persian I have ever met, classified themselves as "Caucasian."

Fine, take white and black out of it, Persian people look Persian, so even if it is a version of white and classed under Caucasian there is still no mixing a Persian man up with an Aussie or an American Caucasian, however the latter two are impossible to tell apart unless they speak.

 

[Dr. Evil]

If this film turns into a big flop, Jake will continue to do critically acclaimed smaller films.

 

[carrrnuttt]

You seem to be of the mistaken view that this is solely about your tiresome one man crusade, of which I have told you to drop it on several occasions.

Right. Because when you are of a differing opinion as someone else, you can only resort to threatening them, instead of educating them on your position, or at least attempting to prove yours.

You haven't educated me on your position, so I'll leave this debate with the realization that I've proved my point--and you haven't.

Oh, and Persians disagree with you.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Jake was chosen not because he's white. He was chosen because he's a crowd puller.
Name one Persian actor who is a crowd puller.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Right. Because when you are of a differing opinion as someone else, you can only resort to threatening them, instead of educating them on your position, or at least attempting to prove yours.

You haven't educated me on your position, so I'll leave this debate with the realization that I've proved my point--and you haven't.

Oh, and Persians disagree with you.

No I'm not threatening you I am telling you what will happen, you keep ignoring the earlier warning I gave you on how you address others and how you are spoiling a thread for the other posters here, but keep trying to make this about your little anal retentive mission to make Persian's into something they aren't.

I've made my point over and over and you keep trying to make out that b/c Caucasian covers a lot of ground that somehow Persian's can easily be mistaken for Americans which is bs.

I couldn't educate someone as arrogant as you and you have not proven anything, all you have done is ruin this thread for others and attack posters giving their view.

 

[carrrnuttt]

I've made my point over and over and you keep trying to make out that b/c Caucasian covers a lot of ground that somehow Persian's can easily be mistaken for Americans which is bs.

*sigh*

You keep asking me to leave this alone, yet you use your position of authority to push a WRONG conclusion. An unproven, unbacked conclusion at that? There is no intellectual context I can think that will allow me to leave this dangling, just because you threatened me and my "crusade." Do you not have an agenda of your own you're attempting to push on people?

What about the two responses above? Care to comment? One of them claims to be a pure Iranian (the 2nd response).

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

In 19th century physical anthropology, represented by some as being scientific racism, the "Aryan race" was considered a subgroup of the Caucasian (or Europid) race, essentially corresponding to the speakers of Indo-European languages native to Europe, Persia and Northern India.

Your turn. Prove your assertion, or you simply prove yourself as intellectually bankrupt, and willing to let yourself be pushed by "conventional wisdom," whatever that means. Take it to PMs if you want to clear this thread.

 

[Hunter Rider]

*sigh*

You keep asking me to leave this alone, yet you use your position of authority to push a WRONG conclusion. An unproven, unbacked conclusion at that? There is no intellectual context I can think that will allow me to leave this dangling, just because you threatened me and my "crusade." Do you not have an agenda of your own you're attempting to push on people?

What about the two responses above? Care to comment? One of them claims to be a pure Iranian (the 2nd response).

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race



Your turn. Prove your assertion, or you simply prove yourself as intellectually bankrupt, and willing to let yourself be pushed by "conventional wisdom," whatever that means. Take it to PMs if you want to clear this thread.

Your links prove that Persian's are classed as Caucasians not that they are easily mistaken for American's b/c they aren't, end of story. My only agenda is to rid this thread of you but I will not do it by perpetrating a lie on your behalf and being part of a falsehood that Persian's are easily mistaken as American's.

You are not in trouble for disagreeing with me, do you really think you are the first person to step up and play intellectual wannabe? No you aren't even close to the worst cases here, you need to go back though and amidst your bloating take a look at your tone with other posters and maybe then you will see why I am here at all.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Oh, to show you that Persians disagree with you and ATP's stereotype about Persians: http://www.persianesquemagazine.com/2009/09/10/movie-disneys-prince-of-persia-the-sands-of-time/

Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, described as ”an epic action-adventure set in the mystical lands of Persia”, is about a “rogue prince (played by Persian-looking Jake Gyllenhaal) who reluctantly joins forces with a mysterious princess (Gemma Arterton)” and they ”race against dark forces to safeguard an ancient dagger capable of releasing the Sands of Time—a gift from the gods that can reverse time and allow its possessor to rule the world.”

Check out this page: http://www.persianesquemagazine.com/2009/11/23/video-eating-healthy-with-k-von/

Here's the caption under that ^ picture:

Iranian-American Comedian: K-von

Should we send an email to this Persian publication that they have no idea what a Persian looks like, courtesy of SHH and [one of] its admins?

 

[Dr. Evil]

With a huge budget for this film, they had to cast someone in the lead that a lot of people know and that was Jake. People know who he is and he's a good actor. If they wanted to cast an unknown, the budget of the film would have been a lot smaller.

People know who Jake Gyllenhaal is, and they will watch this movie because of him.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Oh, to show you that Persians disagree with you and ATP's stereotype about Persians: http://www.persianesquemagazine.com/2009/09/10/movie-disneys-prince-of-persia-the-sands-of-time/



Check out this page: http://www.persianesquemagazine.com/2009/11/23/video-eating-healthy-with-k-von/

Here's the caption under that ^ picture:



Should we send an email to this Persian publication that they have no idea what a Persian looks like, courtesy of SHH and [one of] its admins?

Sure you can send the E Mail if you like. That guy does look more white than any other you have shown so far, so I guess you make your point that some Persian's could pass as White Americans, congratulations.

 

[BestGirl]

The following guys look completely white to me. Take off their turbans and they would look like American college professors IMO:

Former Iranian president Khatami
Grand Ayatollah Khamenei

 

[Erundur]

Sean Connery for Ayatollah Khamenei

 

[Asteroid-Man]

carrrrrrrrnut, Rachel Dawes, and any other poster claiiming that Persians are caucasian (esp. carrrnut) ****. You're grasping at straws here. You are intentionally looking for persians that kind of look white and most of them don't. First of all, if you look beyond skin colour and look at the facial features of those people, you can see that they are indeed obviously Persian. Persian's skin colours go from white as snow to black as night. SURPRISE!!!! Even when I stress the facial features, those still differ. Think about all of the interracial relationships that have happened since the wars and alliances with the arabs, the assyrians, the babylonians, the many greeks, the romans, the indians, the africans. The list goes on. In terms of eye colour, again there is green, blue, hazel, orange/light brown (like me), brown, dark-dark brow or even grey like my great uncle. Even hariness differs. I **** on the head of any Persian calling themselves Caucasian or even Middle-Eastern because frankly they are not Caucasian, that would be generalizing the rest of the entire Persian population around the globe and those calling themselves Middle-Eastern are still looking at the world through a primative Euro-Centric way. Welcome to the 21st century; where unity in diversity is the norm. Two sides here talk **** like they know what a Persian looks like. Some say brown and hairy while others say caucasian. The original issue wasn't what he looked like, because frankly if he spoke Farsi to me I wouldn't be surprised (hell his character is even nammed after an Albino Prince from the Epic "Shahnameh") but that he is not Persian in descent. There were many other actors that could and should have been picked (like M.R.G.) but JG is picked, and I don't care anymore as this is Hollywood, the capitalist empire run by many racist jewish executives who refuse to cast anyone of any other ethnicity. Society has progressed at a rate much faster than Hollywood and they need to catch up. Brando brought this to their attention many times in his life (since the 70s) and they've chosen to ignore it. What's done is done. Drop it. If either side says anything, don't reat to the other acting as an inciting goad.

Sorry for my rant, this is just becoming really irritating.

 

[Project862006]

jake looks exactly like the prince get over it

 

[omid17]

^ thank you

 

[omid17]

btw A-Man take a chill pill man

 

[Asteroid-Man]

People need to learn that Persians aren't caucasian. They also need to know that the original concern was that a non-Persian was cast not that he looked or didn't look like the Prince. (PS, if you think Jake looks like the prince you're blind. His hair isn't even the right colour and his eyes are droopy.) I do however feel that he will do a fantastic job in the role regardless. I'm excited to see the film.

 

[FaT_tONle]

The race thing is just not gonna go away. I mean you don't see the Wachowski's casting caucasians in Ninja Assassins. I give them props. But Hollywood can avoid this controversy by doing itself a favor and going overseas for actors in these types of films. Maybe even bring in some foreign film makers if you are reluctant to cast foreign leads. I just appreciate more authenticity, and guys like Bruckheimer seem to do anything but that.

 

[omid17]

People need to learn that Persians aren't caucasian. They also need to know that the original concern was that a non-Persian was cast not that he looked or didn't look like the Prince. (PS, if you think Jake looks like the prince you're blind. His hair isn't even the right colour and his eyes are droopy.) I do however feel that he will do a fantastic job in the role regardless. I'm excited to see the film.

The race thing is just not gonna go away. I mean you don't see the Wachowski's casting caucasians in Ninja Assassins. I give them props. But Hollywood can avoid this controversy by doing itself a favor and going overseas for actors in these types of films. Maybe even bring in some foreign film makers if you are reluctant to cast foreign leads. I just appreciate more authenticity, and guys like Bruckheimer seem to do anything but that.

you guys bring up some good points, but hey it was Disney and big buget movie, so im not surprised with them getting Jake for the role and i think they did a nice job tryin to make him look like the Prince, im fine with it and like said before im happy with what we're gettin