Prometheus - Part 6

[Blue Sugar]

Alien 3 is flawed, but still good and quite underrated. Especially for an Alien-fan, it has a lot of cool moments and ideas even if it's quite a mess as a whole.

 

[Boom]

Allow me to introduce you to the woman who brought down Prometheus' score on the BFCA site:

http://www.criticschoice.com/members/jmerin/

She gave Prometheus a 10/100 - a score she appears to hand out like candy .

 

[The Morningstar]

Heh. She seems like some hyper feminist. She was probably deeply offended by Prometheus [blackout] because of what seemingly happens to Rapace's character [/blackout].

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Alien 3 is flawed, but still good and quite underrated. Especially for an Alien-fan, it has a lot of cool moments and ideas even if it's quite a mess as a whole.

I'm a huge Alien fan and Alien 3 is terrible.

 

[The Morningstar]

The Assembly Cut is ok. But you can tell the script had been through about 20 re-writes. It's visually amazing, I like the religious theme with the prisoners. Well, the whole idea of it being on a prison planet is cool. And i'm not against the deaths of Newt and Hicks.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Yeah I definetely wasn't against Newt being killed.

Hated that annoying little **** Sorry.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I'm not against their deaths either, I just thought it was a bad movie as a whole.

They killed off the only redeemable character(s) and that was the doctor and Ripley.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

Btw, has anyone noticed the shots of the Space Jockey in the newest trailers make it look like it's someone in a suit? And I don't mean a guy in a costume for the movie, I mean one of the characters is wearing some kind of special suit for that device/gun thing in that scene. Here's hoping I'm wrong on this, but it was something I noticed...

 

[chamber-music]

I'm not a fan of Alien 3 either I always find it the most boring of the Alien movies and I don't really care about the characters.

Joss Whedon gave a pretty good account of what the problems were with Alien 3 and what he wanted to do with the franchise with Alien Ressurection. Both Fincher and Whedon in the end got swindled by Fox.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

I'm not a fan of Alien 3 either I always find it the most boring of the Alien movies and I don't really care about the characters.

Joss Whedon gave a pretty good account of what the problems were with Alien 3 and what he wanted to do with the franchise with Alien Ressurection. Both Fincher and Whedon in the end got swindled by Fox.

Yeah, Alien 3 is ****, but Resurrection is actually a guilty pleasure of mine (the crappy-looking hybrid at the end aside). It's a lot of fun at times, and I felt Whedon, despite getting screwed over, did what he could. That, and I'm a huge Ron Perlman fan (I met him once at NY Comic-Con, btw; REALLY nice guy), and he was probably the best damn actor in that movie because it felt like he was actually trying to give a good performance.

 

[The Morningstar]

Incidentally, the best thing about Resurrection was the pirates. All distinct personalities that bounced off of each other really well. And it had Michael Wincott, owner of the coolest voice in the world.

 

[Nathan]

I must be one of the few that really liked Alien 3. I don't know, I just liked the whole environment, the fact that Ripley was trapped with nothing but human scum, that an Alien was running loose and they had no weapons at all to actually kill it.

 

[chamber-music]

If Fox didn't keep messing with the script and Fincher Alien 3 might of turned out better.


They didn't have weapons in alien either other than the flame thrower so seeing Ripley in that situation again just felt like a retread.


Atleast with Prometheus we don't have another movie Ripley trying to convince everyone aliens are real. By ressurection she was like believe me or don't believe me I don't even care anymore

 

[Valaquen]

Alien 3 was where the diminishing returns set in. Ripley waking up to fight an Alien again? Even Fincher rolled his eyes at that. The film's problem is that Ripley's plot is rehashed from the second film, minus the catharsis (wakes up having lost her family again. Seen it) and that only a couple of characters become interesting - after the 3rd or 4th viewing, namely Dillon, Clemens and Morse. Clemens is utterly wasted, and the film plays its first hour like a wannabe-mystery film, with the latter investigating the deaths and Ripley sidestepping any mention of the creature. I mean ... we know the Alien is there; the film never even attempts to make us think Ripley is paranoid. It's also a shame that a great deal of the deaths in the film aren't effecting (sans Newt/Hicks, which operates by pissing off the audience). When a Marine or Nostromo crew member goes down, it's usually devastating. What the film needed was a fresh direction. And so, finally, we have Prometheus.

 

[lililatigresse]

So the first French reviews are out and they are really mixed. Apparently the film is visually stunning but the story/writing is not good.

 

[The Morningstar]

Links?

 

[lililatigresse]

Links?

You will have to wait a little for the full reviews, the press projection was earlier today (the film will be released on wednesday in France).

But the good news is, French critics are true snobs especially when they watch something first

 

[Visiting Arkham]

It's been my theory all along that Damon Lindelof's writing wouldn't be able to match up to Ridley Scott's sci-fi directing. Lindelof is a perfectly good writer who writes entertaining stories, but I don't think he was the man to usher in a screenplay like Alien.

 

[The Morningstar]

You will have to wait a little for the full reviews, the press projection was earlier today (the film will be released on wednesday in France).

But the good news is, French critics are true snobs especially when they watch something first

Ok cool. I'm sure reviews will start popping up soon.

It's been my theory all along that Damon Lindelof's writing wouldn't be able to match up to Ridley Scott's sci-fi directing. Lindelof is a perfectly good writer who writes entertaining stories, but I don't think he was the man to usher in a screenplay like Alien.

True. But he worked with Ridley a lot. And the director gets final say, especially someone like Scott who likes to be heavily involved with the script writing process.

 

[Solidus]

A few have on AVP Galaxy's forum. Some are positive, some say the characters are a little rigid.

 

[The Morningstar]

Rigid? Lack of development?

 

[Solidus]

Go to AVP Galaxy's Prometheus Forum area, and they have some of them up.

The only real complaint that can be done at Prometheus takes his characters, too functional. Indeed, except for two brilliant Rapace and Fassbender, the rest of the cast simply purely mechanical roles, all well understood, but whose identification or empathy are more weaklings. This is perhaps the limits of a script that had too much to do in such short duration (less than two hours), and threw all his strength in battle without a thank you with our a priori, fantasies and memories magnified. We are not in fact take away from the idea that some essential sequences have been deleted, just between the characters, who have allowed their relationship to be completely embodied.

 

[Solidus]

The reviews seem to hint this may tear people apart because to some it seems like there is no story but some say it's really hidden in there, and very ambiguous.

 

[The Morningstar]

Hmmm so most of the characters basically are there to serve the plot? That doesn't bother me on principle, as long as the main characters are well written.

But i like the idea of the story being ambiguous and existential. That's exactly what i'd want from a film like this.

 

[Solidus]

So far most of them are negative with a few mixed and fewer positive. But I'm still stoked, it will be interesting this may be a love/hate thing with this film.