Prometheus - Part 7

[chamber-music]

The Guardian has a ten key Prometheus questions article

 

[X Knight]

soooo.....

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Do we actually get to see the classic Alien Xenomorph in this film, or at least an early version of it?

 

[roach]

soooo.....

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Do we actually get to see the classic Alien Xenomorph in this film, or at least an early version of it?

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i believe we see a similar life form

 

[The Slang]

Yeah, i did say they were new aliens, my bad
I don't think the ooze is a pre-egg stage, i believe it's some experiment that messes with DNA,

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being injected inside Holloway made him begin to mutate, he was killed before he completelly mutated but his mutated sperm impregnated Elizabeth, so it must have morphed into a different creature during the process, a creatura that impregnated the space jockey with a new being, which seems to be some kind of early species of Xenomorph.

This may sound strange but i'm guessing this must have been an early stage of the facehugger:

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As this was an early stage of the Xenomorph

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I guess that the space jockeys must have done some more experiments with him, but all of these theories go to hell because of this thing that was in the ship:

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Which means they have already made xenomorphs, which leads me to think that the oil was the Aliens DNA, which is basically what you said about it being a stage before the egg t:
Unless the Xenomorphs are created when it comes in contact with a certain creature. I hope they eventually explain this.

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Yeah I hope it can be explained in a sequel. But I am leaning more towards the idea that the oil is predetermined to produce a xenomorph rather than just cause random mutations. But you get a different xenomorph depending on the species you infect. A while back I suggested that the snakes could be xenos produced from the worms we see in the vase room. They do bleed acid.
I agree that the squid baby was like a facehugger, and I think it looks too alien to be the result of mutated sperm. It seems like an entirely separate organism. Endogenous retroviruses inject their dna into our sex cells so that we pass it on to our offspring. Rather than reproduce themselves, viruses hijack living cells and use them to reproduce.
Maybe the oil is designed to do something similar, and cause organisms to create these proto-facehuggers which are the first stage of the xenomorph.

 

[CConn]

soooo.....

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Do we actually get to see the classic Alien Xenomorph in this film, or at least an early version of it?

Yes.

At the very end.

For two seconds.

It's pointless, but awesome looking nevertheless.

 

[Liam_H]

As of now its basically fan service, unless it somehow comes into play in possible future movies.

 

[CConn]

Oh hell, I just realized something...

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The weird alien eel things that rape the one dude's mouth are actually the little earth worms that are shown real quick when the scientists first enter the room. When the black gunk starts leaking, it must infect them and cause worm-xenomorphs.

Also, I'm still kinda confused by one thing...

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How is it the black gunk kills sometimes, but also can create/transform things into Xenomorphs? It doesn't seem like both would be possible.

 

[The Slang]

Oh hell, I just realized something...

Also, I'm still kinda confused by one thing...

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How is it the black gunk kills sometimes, but also can create/transform things into Xenomorphs? It doesn't seem like both would be possible.

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I'm thinking it always kills the victim eventually (and makes them zombies) but before that it uses them to produce proto-face huggers (squid babies) which produce a customized race of xenomorph. It doesn't actually turn things into xenos. It's designed to slowly exterminate a species by manipulating it into destroying itself.

 

[X Knight]

thanks guys.

 

[Sentinel X]

This is quite possibly the biggest disappointment in terms of film I've ever seen in my life . The movie is not horrible, its just very.....average and extremely disappointing since I expected utter greatness. I don't get it, everything leading up to this film seemed PERFECT, literally perfect but somehow it all fell flat on the screen.

 

[spider-neil]

This is quite possibly the biggest disappointment in terms of film I've ever seen in my life . The movie is not horrible, its just very.....average and extremely disappointing since I expected utter greatness. I don't get it, everything leading up to this film seemed PERFECT, literally perfect but somehow it all fell flat on the screen.

I suspect you'll enjoy it more on your second viewing, with your expectations dialed back and knowing what you're going to get.
Blade Runner was a bitter disappointment the first time I saw it but on repeat viewings it's grown to be one of my favorite movies of all time. For me at least, Scott's movies are an aquired taste.

 

[elsewhere]

I suspect you'll enjoy it more on your second viewing, with your expectations dialed back and knowing what you're going to get.
Blade Runner was a bitter disappointment the first time I saw it but on repeat viewings it's grown to be one of my favorite movies of all time. For me at least, Scott's movies are an aquired taste.

Have you seen the movie? It's not going to get much better on second viewing. I guarantee it.

It's no Blade Runner.

 

[Brem]

Have you seen the movie? It's not going to get much better on second viewing. I guarantee it.

It's no Blade Runner.

The film was fine on my first viewing.

I went again today, and the film was even better than my first viewing.

I'm not saying pay to go and see it again, but if you get a chance to watch it on DVD or Blu-Ray when it's out, you might change your mind.

Either way, my second viewing was better than my first, even though I had no problems with it the first time. But knowing what to expect, and having had time to try to understand what was going on, and also paying attention to things I guess I missed or didn't even consider the first time, it was very enjoyable.

 

[spider-neil]

Have you seen the movie? It's not going to get much better on second viewing. I guarantee it.

It's no Blade Runner.

I've seen the movie and I KNOW I'll enjoy it more on second viewing because I haven't stopped talking/thinking about the movie.

 

[TheFuture]

Have you seen the movie? It's not going to get much better on second viewing. I guarantee it.

It's no Blade Runner.

I can confirm (well for me) that it doesn't get any better upon 2nd viewing. A pleasure to take in the visuals once again but that's it.

Also, to use the reasoning of Scott's films being "an acquired taste" is a tad condescending, I'm sure you didn't intend it like that nell but there's no excuse for the averageness that Scott produced here. That's coming from a fan of his work.

 

[spider-neil]

I can confirm (well for me) that it doesn't get any better upon 2nd viewing. A pleasure to take in the visuals once again but that's it.

Also, to use the reasoning of Scott's films being "an acquired taste" is a tad condescending, I'm sure you didn't intend it like that nell but there's no excuse for the averageness that Scott produced here. That's coming from a fan of his work.

I've seen most of Ridley Scott's movies and they range from hate (Kingdom of Heaven) to love (BR, Aliens, Legend, Gladiator). I would say half of the Ridley Scott movies I like I've enjoyed more on repeat viewing and I feel certain Prometheus will join that list because I had no idea how much of the movie would tie to Alien and that coloured my opinion (like I thought Blade Runner would be an action movie on first viewing).

 

[chamber-music]

I think if you watch Prometheus as a Alien spin off more than a prequel you might enjoy it more I think.

 

[roach]

I think if you watch Prometheus as a Alien spin off more than a prequel you might enjoy it more I think.

Exactly...this isn't Xenomorph Begins

 

[Lord]

I just realized thatthe last scene with the Alien actually made sence in the film,

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in least for those that more or less know something about the Alien films, during the entire film that oil remained a mistery, why did it do what it did? Then the last scene of the movie explained exactly that, a creature similar to the xenomorph, it had different effects on different things because it kind of was the Xenomorph DNA, like the Xenomorphs the being evolves depending on its host, not only does this answer parts of the effects of the black oil but it also shows the origin of the xenomorphs.

That single scene actually had a purpose, to tie the black oil plot and give it a possible ending as the creatures spawned by it may only be given a significant role in the Alien movies as the next Prometheus film seems to be going to be more about the space jockeys than the aliens.

I don't know about any one of you, but this film will definitelly go to my collection, to tell the truth i was never that hyped about this film as others seemed to be, i planed to see it, but wasn't like others who were at one point more hyped for this than TDKR and Avengers. The film was more or less what i expected, it wasn't bad by any means, quite the oposite.

Also, it's not as if Ridley Scott's last movies left anybody thinking he was going to make a masterpiece, nobody learned anything with George Lucas?

Either way we don't know how the film will be viwed in the future, but nowadays it's more difficult for a film to stay on people's minds as much as Alien and Blade Runner did, i remember hearing about a recent science fiction film that was a masterpiece about something of the first baby to be born after years or something like that, yet it's not as remembered.

The film was solid, the visuals were great, the story was strong, it's just that the script could have been better, and had some of the characters not been so stupid they would have been more likeable and possibly more rememberable

 

[E.NormusJohnson]

Alrighty just got back from an afternoon showing... must say everything about this film walked/talked/felt like a RS film... but there was definitely something missing that could have made this film infinitely more enjoyable. My gut feeling is like a lot of people have said on here before me they just left a lot of stuff to be answered by upcoming sequels and that kinda stinks.

I went into this film wanting/hoping that I'd get at least a decent bit of background on the SJ's and who they are and what their motivations were, but alas I got one dimensional crew members and space monsters running around like chickens with their heads cut off. This film might have well been called David and the black goo... I'm thinking the hype of Lost unfortunately bumped DL to top tier status and he wasn't prepared to handle material like this... and it showed. The writing/script just wasn't nearly as good as I had hoped it would be and we all know Ridley is more concerned on atmosphere/visuals than he is a well constructed plot.

Wasn't a terrible film to sit through and I'll probably see it again before it's out of the theaters but this is about as hollow a feeling I've had from a movie I've greatly anticipated in a very long time.

 

[PROLIFIK1]

I don't know anyone else who has seen it

Big spoilers below people

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At first the ending really annoyed me because I thought that was the ship from Alien, and the flying off ending normally bugs me too in films.... but i realised that it fits the theme of wanting answers and not nessacarily getting them. I would guess that the Xeno is the queen and lays all the eggs in another spacecraft. One of which hatches and impregnates (is that the word) the jockey in cryo. When he wakes he attempts to flee the planet but chest bursts and that is the original ship from alien.... the only thing that bothered me in the film which had no explanation was that clearly xenos already existed as there were the piles of bodies with burst chests, but we never found out what happened to them, presumably they would be on the ship somewhere?

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I feel exactly the same way! The beginning with the engineer at the waterfalls had no explanation. Guess it's a vague way to say how life was created? I dunno. I too assume that first Xeno shown at the end is a queen. Also bugs me the fact that I thought we were going to see how the Space Jockey/Engineer (with a hole in his chest) died while sending out that distress signal that the Nostromo intercepted. If it were meant to leave us with questions, then I assume that's where Scott was right about saying it isn't a prequel. If this is a new trilogy to the franchise, then I hope get more clear answers with a sequel

 

[Liam_H]

My friend mentioned to me a theory that's floating around that I find quite amusing...

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Jesus was some how connected to the Engineers or even one himself, based on the carbon dating of the head they found.

 

[Viscal]

LOTS of new scans from Prometheus "Art of the Film" book

http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1646

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

So, was it just me...

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Or was the squid baby just a really giant facehugger? Also, I don't really see the point in showing the creature pop out at the end, I mean whats it gonna do? Run around for a couple days and die?

Another thing

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How did the proto-alien pop out of the Jockey fully grown? Do these aliens just skip the Chestburster form?

 

[CConn]

That end scene was just a nod to fans...it didn't have any point plotwise.

And I guess it was just bigger because the dude it came out of was bigger.