Prometheus - Part 7

[Solidus]

Exactly. I'm so glad it wasn't a direct prequel taking place on the planet that was in Alien. This whole movie at the forefront was just to answer questions fans had for years about the space jockey and how the xenomorphs came about. I thought Ridley did it well. He kind of leaves you wanting more, but at the same time I think it was a perfect way to end it and jump into Alien. The movies don't have to be directly tied to be enjoyable since they're all in the same universe still.

I agree very much.

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It shows the origin of certain aspects, showing that maybe this happens on another planet. The star system is clearly the same one in name/look of LV-426, so there could have been many of those ships/bases all over that system. And the same kind of stuff happened where the bio weapons turned against the creators.

 

[Figs]

Ugh, it's irritating, man. No one is ever satisfied. Either the film spoon feeds you or holds your hand for too long; or it doesn't spoon feed you or hold your hand long enough.

I've gotten over the whole spoon feeding thing. I always love a movie that makes you think, but I've never gotten pissed off at a movie because it spelt things out...so long as the movie was overall entertaining.

 

[Figs]

I agree very much.

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It shows the origin of certain aspects, showing that maybe this happens on another planet. The star system is clearly the same one in name/look of LV-426, so there could have been many of those ships/bases all over that system. And the same kind of stuff happened where the bio weapons turned against the creators.

Yup.

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If all it takes is a little of that goo/primordial slime to **** things up, well I can believe into the fact that it indeed happened on another planet. I also like that this film was on another LV planet than Alien because it gives us more insight into the Engineers/Jockeys. That they were creating/farming this stuff in different galaxies. As my gf said when we left the theater, that one ship was heading to earth, but the other ships were possibly heading to other planets were they might have started life years ago and wanted to wipe it out to start over.

Personally I like to think that the Engineers weren't happy with how we turned out and felt they created the perfect species(as it's referred to in Alien I believe) and wanted to populate the earth with the xenomorph. Not sure at this moment what other reason they would have to kill us. My gf made a good point that it might have been because we became a threat with being able to discover them as well as create life too.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Oh yea.

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I think they created lots of life around the galaxy, for what reason it is unknown to me at this time. But they started to fear us, clearly they kept tabs on us, we saw them as gods during ancient times. But now they fear us. To me him ripping David's head off proved that, we were the gods now, and they did not want that. Because they lose control if we can create things better possibly then they can.

Also, I think their real motive came about when

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they started getting hunted down by their own creations. I don't think they kept tabs on humans, because when he first saw them, he had no idea what they were until David asked "Why did you create us?" Then he was like "OH ****!!!!!! I BEST KILL YOU BEFORE YOU KILL ME!!"

I find that the whole [BLACKOUT]"I've created something I regret"[/BLACKOUT] sentiment is emulated between Palpatine and [BLACKOUT]his daughter[/BLACKOUT], David and [BLACKOUT]Holloway[/BLACKOUT] and Dr. Shawe and [BLACKOUT]baby-kraken[/BLACKOUT].

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I've gotten over the whole spoon feeding thing. I always love a movie that makes you think, but I've never gotten pissed off at a movie because it spelt things out...so long as the movie was overall entertaining.

I wholeheartedly agree. I don't prefer one style over the other. Scott and Nolan are the polar opposites but I've truly enjoyed and appreciated their films.

 

[Liam_H]

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If all it takes is a little of that goo/primordial slime to **** things up, well I can believe into the fact that it indeed happened on another planet. I also like that this film was on another LV planet than Alien because it gives us more insight into the Engineers/Jockeys. That they were creating/farming this stuff in different galaxies. As my gf said when we left the theater, that one ship was heading to earth, but the other ships were possibly heading to other planets were they might have started life years ago and wanted to wipe it out to start over.

Personally I like to think that the Engineers weren't happy with how we turned out and felt they created the perfect species(as it's referred to in Alien I believe) and wanted to populate the earth with the xenomorph. Not sure at this moment what other reason they would have to kill us. My gf made a good point that it might have been because we became a threat with being able to discover them as well as create life too.

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Jesus was an Engineer, I'm being serious here.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Another thing that I found interesting and very cool

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Weyland has two children he has created. One is Vickers, the other is David. It is clear that he loves David more, Vickers even says so. It is an interesting mirror to the engineers. They created us, and clearly were unhappy with us because they were coming to eradicate us. They created another lifeforms that was suppose to be more perfect but backfired. So like the engineers Weyland is disappointed with the biological creation he made, and does not care for it.

Now when the engineer rips off David's head, he looks at him for a second. And I kinda can tell that what has happened is the engineer is afraid. Just like the gods were after Prometheus gave us fire. Because now, we the created have made an artificial version of our own that is quite perfect. And could be a threat to the Engineer and everyone of them. So in a sense they fear what we have created and we could turn on them.

 

[spider-neil]

For me the movie was a 7/10 but I've been thinking about it for a week so it has definately left an impression on me (very rarely do movie do that) so I'll push it up to an 8/10. If Ridley Scott had divorced himself from the Alien mythos the movie would have got a solid 9/10. I absolutely loved act 1 and act 2 but act 3 made me angry.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

To be fair, this is like 2093.

What you consider common sense today isn't exactly common sense for these people then.

and if you know anything about how we all behave in real life---it's that common sense just isn't as common as we'd think it is. Sure, when we see it in a movie, we forget that we all sometimes make stupid decisions ourselves---I just never try to use the whole "common sense" thing as a potential issue in a movie anymore for that very reason.

Yeah that's fair enough. I was mainly just talking about Millburn anyway. He was an idiot in the first place anyway.

The more I think about the film (besides the rushed third act and a certain stupid twist), I like it even more then I did after seeing it.

I still can't stop thinking about it

 

[Figs]

Yeah that's fair enough. I was mainly just talking about Millburn anyway. He was an idiot in the first place anyway.

The more I think about the film (besides the rushed third act and a certain stupid twist), I like it even more then I did after seeing it.

I still can't stop thinking about it

What was the twist exactly?

 

[CapedCrusader14]

What was the twist exactly?

I can't use spoiler tags on my iPod unfortunately so I'll just write it as cryptically as I can.

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It's the twist regarding somebody being more closer to someone than we thought.

It works in the sense of parenthood but besides that it was a pretty stupid twist.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

Um, no. They're real questions.

You can't pose questions that complex and obviously intentional (seriously, as I already pointed out, there's a lot of Dick and Asimov-inspired character points) to underdeveloped characters.

Again, you're being so dismissive towards it, and it really doesn't even seem as though you comprehend the extremely obvious and blatant influences that the movie is filled with.

The questions you posed really aren't that complex. They're natural questions anyone could think up...if they actually cared about these people. I'm being dismissive because I saw a pretty movie wrapped in a package of cardboard characters doing stupid things in a narrative that was executed in a subpar fashion. You obviously can overlook these flaws while I simply wanted a well-structured film with characters that were better than what you would see in a typical slasher movie. I don't really care for anything beneath the surface because the characters and story couldn't even engage me on a basic level. I hold directors like Ridley Scott in a higher regard than most. When I see blatant stupidity (multiple times) in a film like this I find myself in disbelief and tune it out which takes me out of the film and then I have to re-engage. I'm not going to go out of my way to ask hypothetical questions about characters that I really wasn't invested in one way or the other.

 

[Liam_H]

I can't use spoiler tags on my iPod unfortunately so I'll just write it as cryptically as I can.

SPOILER:
It's the twist regarding somebody being more closer to someone than we thought.

It works in the sense of parenthood but besides that it was a pretty stupid twist.

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I did not like how they blatantly said it out loud, the word father shouldn't have been said at all. But you didn't like the whole dynamic between Vickers/Weyland/David? Added even more layers to David for me.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

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I did not like how they blatantly said it out loud, the word father shouldn't have been said at all. But you didn't like the whole dynamic between Vickers/Weyland/David? Added even more layers to David for me.

No I did like the dynamic it created between them, but as a story twist it was still stupid.

 

[Liam_H]

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Anybody think when Vickers asked David at the beginning if anyone died she was specifically referring to only her father. I mean doesn't really seem she gives a s**t about the rest of the crew.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

The trick is to give the audience enough to satisfy them, yet leave wanting more. It seems that Prometheus is just waving a dollar on a string in front of them then pulling it away at the last second. Or just dropping the ball.

It worked enough for me. When the movie was over, I could feel the emotion of disgust and disappointment out of some of the people in the theater, but me, I sat there while the credits rolled, contemplating what I just saw, wanting to see the movie again right away---collect my thoughts and try and figure out where the story could go next because it was so fascinating to me.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

...or you could, you know, fail to grasp anything from the film and blame it on lazy writing to compensate for your lack of perception.

Just sayin'.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

The only common sense thing I didn't get was

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why the hell did Charlize Theron keep running in a straight line when the ship was crashing down on her? Clearly you bail to the right or left and get out of its path... Just seemed stupid.

Her fate was sealed. She wasn't going to make it, although the movie, for a moment, gave you the feeling that she might.

and to be fair, the diameter of the ship's "U" cross section might've been like 400 feet. It seemed like they were more concerned about running as fast as they could in any direction (breaking out of a straight line tends to reduce your speed) rather than paying attention to how the ship was falling...

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Neither do I. I don't think it's there to set up a sequel but give the audience what Scott knows they want in the end. From that point on it's a decent lead up to Alien.

Again, that's what it seemed like initially, but I don't think that was the case anymore. Whether we like it or not, this entire movie was built on the idea to explain where the parent xenomorph came from and to not fully explore that visually would seem like a rip-off/defeating the purpose.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

I plan on seeing this tomorrow and is the 3d worth it?

Well, it was shot for 3D, so yeah of course. You might want to try and see it in IMAX or XD if you're not strapped for cash.

 

[spider-neil]

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My favorite reviewers give their take on Prometheus.

 

[Liam_H]

Not a fan of JeremyJahns? Although him giving Alien an okay score still has me rolling my eyes.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

No I did like the dynamic it created between them, but as a story twist it was still stupid.

Stupid in what way?

It's pretty much a key highlight of the main parallel of the movie. It wasn't explicitly directed, but without it, I think the movie is soo much less interesting.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

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My favorite reviewers give their take on Prometheus.

Wow, that's some awesome animation/writing work

 

[spider-neil]

Not a fan of JeremyJahns? Although him giving Alien an okay score still has me rolling my eyes.

I watch him but he is giving more and more reviews that I disagree with.
Last year he gave one of my favorite movies of the year 'Attack the block' an okay score 'no alcohol required' and gave Alien (Alien!) a 'no alcohol required' score as well.

I'm sorry but you do that and we definately don't see eye to eye on reviews and if we don't see eye to eye on reviews why should I watch you as I can't trust your opinion anymore.

My very favorite reviewer (Ebert) gave Prometheus 4 stars