Prometheus - Part 9

[culver3vlr22]

Let's assume you're right and that scene makes "perfect sense" (seriously it doesn't but whatever). Now that I have your attention: 1) defend the characters in this film, 2) explain the plot and all its "twists", and explain the primary antagonist's motivation. And you must do all of this with using only the film; not the director's commentary, bonus features, or deleted scenes. Go.

1. Women are stupid. 2. Ppl went to space... Bad s#!t happens in space... Space and the thought of "Finding God" is the antagonist. ( can't find god that's just stupid/refer to 1)

 

[Hotwire]

Was reading through some of this thread and just thought it needed something to lighten the mood a bit. So....

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Really pissed off, was watching the movie on BD, got halfway through and was loving it, and the disc stops playing and is faulty, typical!

 

[the dmg]

The subject then switched to Blade Runner, which Scott has also been very vocal about sequelizing as well. He said: "It’s not a rumour – it’s happening. With Harrison Ford? I don’t know yet. Is he too old? Well, he was a Nexus-6 so we don’t know how long he can live [laughs]. And that’s all I’m going to say at this stage."

I used to always like when the ambiguity of Deckard being human was something of discussion. Ridley keeps reminding people he's a replicant.

 

[THANOSRULES]

Just finally saw this.

I really disagree that this was a terrible film..it was "fine" and interesting. It was not legendary, but it's a good direction for sci-fi..something driven by a sound story and not cheesy action, it makes you think and wonder and tackles some grand concepts...solid Sci-fi and not to be discouraged.

Generally the acting and dialogue were good. I did feel the movies ending 20 minutes was a bit weak though and would have put the movie in a much better state with some tweeking.

I did feel interested in the characters, especially the captain and the main character( especially after the C-section). Fassbender played a good quasi-villain and i find his motivations fascinating.

I had no problem with some of the perceived plot holes especially in regards to the aliens..they are alien tech and don't need to behave in a way we understand.


I look forward to a sequel.

 

[CConn]

I like that assessment.

 

[Marvolo]

Was reading through some of this thread and just thought it needed something to lighten the mood a bit. So....

Lmao. Still havent picked this movie up. Gotta get on that.

 

[THANOSRULES]

I don't see a huge issue with the minor size difference from Engineer in Alien..whats it like 12 feet versus 8 feet? maybe its just a bigger engineer..or a bigger suit for more extended spacetravel...it's clearly close enough.

 

[regwec]

The Jockey from Alien is clearly not humanoid. It is more than twice the size of a human, it has an organic elephantine skull and exoskeleton, and its arms are proportioned more like a Bonobo monkey's than a man's.

 

[THANOSRULES]

The Jockey from Alien is clearly not humanoid. It is more than twice the size of a human, it has an organic elephantine skull and exoskeleton, and its arms are proportioned more like a Bonobo monkey's than a man's.

I just watched the scene in HD ...and i think its plenty close enough. It's more fused to the chair,(ie the nose piece) a bit bigger (like i said 3-4 foot difference likely)..as for the more skeletal and organic nature, maybe somewhat but not any real hair raising differences..it could easily just be a variation (like I said more retrofitted for the space trip) or perhaps in that regard the environment of that planet just weathered the suit different.

I think it's OK to nitpick..but as for me it's close enough that I doubt it was intended as something intentionally different.

One thing i never understood how our DNA was an EXACT match for the jockeys..I mean they are noticeably different to have some varied DNA.

 

[regwec]

I think it's OK to nitpick..but as for me it's close enough that I doubt it was intended as something intentionally different.

I agree that it probably isn't intended; I think Ridley just hoped no one would notice, or had recently seen Alien. I don't think the Engineers and the Jockey look much alike. The Jockey was so clearly intended to be an "alien" being in every sense of the word. The Engineers, at the most, look like men dressed as Jockeys.

 

[CConn]

You have that quote in your sig to mock it, right?

 

[the dmg]

I agree that it probably isn't intended; I think Ridley just hoped no one would notice, or had recently seen Alien. I don't think the Engineers and the Jockey look much alike. The Jockey was so clearly intended to be an "alien" being in every sense of the word. The Engineers, at the most, look like men dressed as Jockeys.

Which begs the question of where the inspiration for that look for their spacesuit came from in the context of the movie.

 

[Doctor Jones]

It probably was at the time in Alien, but I think that when they put more thought into it, it just developed to be humanoid, so tweaks were made. It's not gonna be a perfect transition from a movie that was made over 30 years ago, especially since it's focusing on a particular thing like the Jockey.

 

[THANOSRULES]

If your going to add that..obviously the tech and HUDs on the prometheus are far more advanced looking than anything before in the films...and I know this is obvious but it is actually far more extreme than the differences in the Jockeys

 

[chaseter]

It wouldn't make sense for an alien elephant man to create humans.

 

[the dmg]

It wouldn't make sense for an alien elephant man to create humans.

Why not?

 

[regwec]

Yeah, why not? It makes more sense than for a gigantic albino to smash up his own DNA to begin primordial life on another planet that somehow evolves over millions of years to be his exact genetic match despite looking very different.

I loathe the idea that the Jockey in Alien is just a Voldemort lookalike in a suit, because it robs that film of a big slice of its mystery, and dampens the sense of wonder and majesty in its first act.

 

[chamber-music]

If your going to add that..obviously the tech and HUDs on the prometheus are far more advanced looking than anything before in the films...and I know this is obvious but it is actually far more extreme than the differences in the Jockeys

Its already been talked about in the thread.

The tech on the Prometheus is state of the art and brand new. Its a trillion dollar space ship put together for a scientific mission by the most powerful corporation on Earth.

Miners, Military grunts and convicts aren't going to have acess to the same tech as the more advanced stuff seen in Prometheus.

The Nostromo mining ship in Alien isn't a new spaceship its was pretty old. It may be even older than the Prometheus.

 

[THANOSRULES]

Its already been talked about in the thread.

The tech on the Prometheus is state of the art and brand new. Its a trillion dollar space ship put together for a scientific mission by the most powerful corporation on Earth.

Miners, Military grunts and convicts aren't going to have acess to the same tech as the more advanced stuff seen in Prometheus.

The Nostromo mining ship in Alien isn't a new spaceship its was pretty old. It may be even older than the Prometheus.

There's always a great excuse

 

[Legion]

There's always a great excuse

That doesn't need an excuse though...there was always going to be a difference since this was a much newer movie, unless you wanted the ship's interfaces to run MS-DOS.

 

[CConn]

Here's a better excuse;

Alien was made in 1979, and Prometheus was made in 2012.

And you'd have to be a total moron as a director to put in tech from 1979 in a modern movie for the sake of in-film accuracy.

 

[Legion]

Yeah, why not? It makes more sense than for a gigantic albino to smash up his own DNA to begin primordial life on another planet that somehow evolves over millions of years to be his exact genetic match despite looking very different.

I loathe the idea that the Jockey in Alien is just a Voldemort lookalike in a suit, because it robs that film of a big slice of its mystery, and dampens the sense of wonder and majesty in its first act.

I agree. I was disappointed when the "true" face of the jokey was revealed. The engineers created both humans and the xenomorph so looking like one's creation isn't a pre-req to creation. I guess when they decided that the Engineers would be humanity's creators they decided to give them a more humanoid appearance so they can keep the "made us in his own image" motif.

 

[the dmg]

Yeah, why not? It makes more sense than for a gigantic albino to smash up his own DNA to begin primordial life on another planet that somehow evolves over millions of years to be his exact genetic match despite looking very different.

I believe the movie just said match and not exact match, so by looking for identifiable human DNA markers, there is a match to that within the genetic code of the Engineers. Also, the properties of the goo was shown in the movie to alter the host.

I loathe the idea that the Jockey in Alien is just a Voldemort lookalike in a suit, because it robs that film of a big slice of its mystery, and dampens the sense of wonder and majesty in its first act.

I don't mind that they look humanoid too much, as it adds into a question of what species they are trying to look like. The helmets are very organic looking in nature. It's like what warriors used to do.

In terms of the size of the Jockey, I definitely agree with that, but I thought that the original Jockey was more alien in nature. Having watched Alien recently, it's even more apparent. The Jockey's mouth is open and it's arms were a lot longer.

There's still a lot of mystery for the trilogy to explore, which is what the first movie was used to do.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Here's a better excuse;

Alien was made in 1979, and Prometheus was made in 2012.

And you'd have to be a total moron as a director to put in tech from 1979 in a modern movie for the sake of in-film accuracy.

I agree with this. Still don't like the movie but I'm a reasonable person who can agree with this reasonable post.