Prometheus - Part 9

[grout]

Yeah, that'll always be my biggest complaint; it should've just been a prequel to Alien. There's no reason for it not to be.

How do you figure that?? I thought it was perfect for a prequel,, I guess its what you make of it as well. I was thinking the engineers were military and made humans to host the aliens and to be used as a military weapon..

Basically shi* happens and the engineers got caught in it,, so to speak. When they went to question the Engineer that was still alive he viewed us as an experiment (were not worthy) thus terminate the project. Military would probably do the same here.

I like the fact that they did not make engineers to have this ultra being, all knowing, higher power that explains everything. The engineers are a hostile race, I thought that was a cool spin then what we are used to.

If you watch the movie again you will notice an evolution of the alien (where the engineers kept the huggers) I believe certain DNA was needed from humans to host the alien in order to get the final product right. Human DNA was not to different from the Engineers which would explain why the experiment went wrong.

Basically humans were created by Engineers, humans populate a planet (earth), engineers release there project (huggers), humans host to create the alien, Engineers come back pick up aliens. Then maybe the Engineers use these aliens as watch dogs or something, I dont have the answers for that.

If you look at it from that viewpoint it really ties in well with the alien films..

In "Alien" we got to see an Engineer hence there was more to the story, and introduction to the Alien itself.

In "Aliens" there was a subplot in the film that military wanted to go back and capture an alien for military use.. Thats kinda ironic.

Anyways that was my take on it..

 

[Mandalore464]

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[Wesley Dodds]

To be fair, if anyone ever gaveme a chest burger I'd probably die a little too.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, that'll always be my biggest complaint; it should've just been a prequel to Alien. There's no reason for it not to be.

I think just a few more tips of the hat to Alien would have been better. I REALLY enjoyed what we got but its seems many others didnt. I suppose it depends on what the sequel gives us. Maybe in a few years we will look upon Prometheus differently.

Was that intentional? t:

Absolutely not, just a happy coincidence! t:

 

[Piper Maru]

I still have yet to see this film. I'll have to get it when it comes out on dvd/blu-ray.

 

[CConn]

How do you figure that?? I thought it was perfect for a prequel,, I guess its what you make of it as well. I was thinking the engineers were military and made humans to host the aliens and to be used as a military weapon..

Basically shi* happens and the engineers got caught in it,, so to speak. When they went to question the Engineer that was still alive he viewed us as an experiment (were not worthy) thus terminate the project. Military would probably do the same here.

I like the fact that they did not make engineers to have this ultra being, all knowing, higher power that explains everything. The engineers are a hostile race, I thought that was a cool spin then what we are used to.

If you watch the movie again you will notice an evolution of the alien (where the engineers kept the huggers) I believe certain DNA was needed from humans to host the alien in order to get the final product right. Human DNA was not to different from the Engineers which would explain why the experiment went wrong.

Basically humans were created by Engineers, humans populate a planet (earth), engineers release there project (huggers), humans host to create the alien, Engineers come back pick up aliens. Then maybe the Engineers use these aliens as watch dogs or something, I dont have the answers for that.

If you look at it from that viewpoint it really ties in well with the alien films..

In "Alien" we got to see an Engineer hence there was more to the story, and introduction to the Alien itself.

In "Aliens" there was a subplot in the film that military wanted to go back and capture an alien for military use.. Thats kinda ironic.

Anyways that was my take on it..

Oh no, I just mean that it should've taken place on LV-426.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

^^
I agree if Scott doesn't make the two sequels that will link the new movie(s) to the old franchise ( he said in an interview that Prometheus is two movies away from Alien ).

 

[grout]

Oh no, I just mean that it should've taken place on LV-426.

Sorry about that Ccon, I gotcha now.. my bad.. I think LV-426 probably came after the events of prometheus. They wanted to get more questions answered.. who knows where they went from there or what happened. I bet it will link in some way if more gets made.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

I thought that was pretty manipulative of them.
I followed the making of this movie really closely and the first time I heard it wasn't the same planet was the day I went to see it.
Sneaky buttholes...

 

[grout]

I thought that was pretty manipulative of them.
I followed the making of this movie really closely and the first time I heard it wasn't the same planet was the day I went to see it.
Sneaky buttholes...

LOL,, nah I think it was a pretty smart movie,, they kind of took it back further then what was somewhat established from Alien..

 

[Wesley Dodds]

LOL,, nah I think it was a pretty smart movie,, they kind of took it back further then what was somewhat established from Alien..

Sure, but from a storytelling perspective what exactly is the point of that?

 

[dark_b]

If you watch the movie again you will notice an evolution of the alien (where the engineers kept the huggers) I believe certain DNA was needed from humans to host the alien in order to get the final product right. Human DNA was not to different from the Engineers which would explain why the experiment went wrong.

Basically humans were created by Engineers, humans populate a planet (earth), engineers release there project (huggers), humans host to create the alien, Engineers come back pick up aliens. Then maybe the Engineers use these aliens as watch dogs or something, I dont have the answers for that.

If you look at it from that viewpoint it really ties in well with the alien films..

In "Alien" we got to see an Engineer hence there was more to the story, and introduction to the Alien itself.

In "Aliens" there was a subplot in the film that military wanted to go back and capture an alien for military use.. Thats kinda ironic.

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i dont think this is what happens.

listen to the Scott commentary and watch the deleted scenes(realesed)

 

[grout]

i dont think this is what happens.

listen to the Scott commentary and watch the deleted scenes(realesed)

It might not be,,, I dont think Scott is gonna give it up in the commentary if he is planning more. Its just what I got out of it , i came to that is really the only explanation for what we know to happen in the movie.. Now there is plenty they threw in that just cant be explained until we get more..

I think this was intentional to not answer all questions, in other words more films to explain..,, it just seemed to make some people upset I guess to not get all the answers right of the bat.

 

[grout]

Sure, but from a storytelling perspective what exactly is the point of that?

I really dont know what they are planning in future movies,, but to start with prometheus (going further back) just tells me there is more story to tell then picking up from a direct prequel to "Alien"

There is allot in Prometheus they toyed with, the other life out there and how humans view the possibilities. Are they gods? what do they want? etc...

What I thought was cool is we always view things as some higher beings blahblah, but what if it just the case we were made by a hostile race as an experiment..

 

[Wesley Dodds]

I really dont know what they are planning in future movies,, but to start with prometheus (going further back) just tells me there is more story to tell then picking up from "Alien"

I get it but bearing in mind that Prometheus ended with the surviving characters leaving the planet and going off to find the engineer's homeworld anyway, why not just make it LV-426, you know what I mean?

 

[grout]

I get it but bearing in mind that Prometheus ended with the surviving characters leaving the planet and going off to find the engineer's homeworld anyway, why not just make it LV-426, you know what I mean?

I hear ya man,, I dont know what the future holds in future films. Maybe they took off and followed some random beacon signal to LV-426? Maybe the droid has something to do with LV-426.. Keep in mind "Alien" was a future droid model and it went hostile as well. Maybe this could tie in. I hope we see

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Sorry about that Ccon, I gotcha now.. my bad.. I think LV-426 probably came after the events of prometheus. They wanted to get more questions answered.. who knows where they went from there or what happened. I bet it will link in some way if more gets made.

Thats not possible, as Prometheus was only set a few decades before the events of Alien, yet in Alien they say the derelict and Space Jockey/Engineer had been there for thousands of years.

 

[Fives]

Plus the Engineer in the original Alien looked huge compared to the humans, but in Prometheus the Engineer didn't look as big. What gives, I hope he explains why.

Also in Prometheus on the walls we saw the xenomorph, so I'm still confused about why they were shown there and I think Ridley got confused too about that. Why show that if it didn't really serve a purpose to the film? I also don't think he explained what, and how that black goo stuff works, and it just turned Fifield into a zombie, but it disintergrated the Engineer in the beginning? Plus I want to know what happens to the alien at the end of Prometheus. I wonder if Ridley will do anything else with that? Anyone else still feel like I do about any of this stuff?

Man, for the sequels their is so much that could be done with them.

 

[regwec]

The biggest problem I have with the inferred Alien/Prometheus continuity is that the latter's "Engineers" look nothing like the "Space Jockey" from the former. The most cursory of glances at the Jockey is enough to confirm that it cannot be a big bald man in a suit. It might be a gigantic orangutan. Maybe.

 

[Fives]

What about though when the Engineer at the end gets in that suit, and we see he has that familiar head/helmet fromt the original Alien?

Also Regwec, why didn't you like those parts from the commentary that you put in red? Did you feel it was too much like Alien or that Prometheus didn't need to involve facehuggers, and all that? I agree though that some of the stuff with David should have been kept in.

 

[regwec]

On your first point, the basic design of the helmet/mask only really resembles the skull of the Jockey. The Jockey is twice the size of the engineer, with huge ape-like arms, and its trunk and ribs are evidently skeletal (not necessarily bones, but definitely not "armour"). Every effort is made to persuade us, visually, that they are one and the same, but it isn't convincing. At best, it seems like the Engineer is wearing armour designed to look like a Jockey- the same way Aztec warriors used to dress as Jackals or Jaguars. I hope that is how the discrepancy it is explained.

On the second point, you're right with both options. I think that Prometheus would have done better to reinforce its own unique mythology/sci fi, rather than try to build more bridges to the old Alien movies.

 

[Fives]

I agree with you, and I feel the same way. I mean Ridley directed both films, so their's no way that he forgot that he made the original Jockey as big as he did, at least I'm hoping. Your idea that it could be armor, and maybe the Engineers are trying to be like or emulate the space Jockey is interesting, and could explain the difference between the two.

That's what I thought about why you didn't like those certain parts, and I agree too, and am glad they weren't put in. Those parts definitely would have weighed the movie down more, and made it a completely different film.

 

[chamber-music]

I think the Engineer size can be fixed easily enough.

Who is to say the Engineers we see in Prometheus or Alien are the only type of Engineer?

In Predators they had different sized Predators of the same species. Just like Humans and life on Earth I expect on the Engineers homeworld there will be various different types of Engineers alien species.

Ridley has said of his plan to have Shaw and David visit Paradise/Heaven the Engineers homeworld and meet the equivalent of God. Ridley views the Engineers as Angels.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Urgent question! Will there be 2 versions of this film on Bluray or just one?!

 

[DarthMuppet]

Urgent question! Will there be 2 versions of this film on Bluray or just one?!

Just one. Ridley considers the theatrical cut his Director's cut.

A member at the blu-ray.com forums who already has the disc posted a list of all the content on the European version of the four disc collector set... And there are a TON of extras!

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=6523832&postcount=1746