Prometheus

[Eggyman]

I agree with you on that, B. I am excited for this film and I'm hoping for the best, but I'm not going to take it as a sure-fire win because some guy who's making it says so.

 

[chamber-music]

Hearing him speak I'm glad its not a straight prequel. It sounds like they are showing so stuff we have seen but also trying to bring some new things.

 

[Solidus]

i think all the footage that would be realesed right now would be for the fans. and every year we have proof that fans dont make or brake a movie. its the general public.

if you have any example where a movie made more money based on convention footage realesed 1 year before the realese i would be thankful.

plus Prometheus is a movie that should be teased as much as possible. the less footage they realese this year the better IMO for the build up to the movie. then in 2012 they can realese a kick ass theatrical trailer.

Oh dark b, sometimes I swear........half of this post you have above me makes no sense at all, you seem to contradict yourself with in it but I will reply anyways.

Okay, there is a reason, many of these multi-million dollar companies release footage, posters, pictures a year before a film comes out. Most of them do it now adays. TDKR, Prometheus is releasing footage to some people just a FEW! Now I really want you to sit back and think about this before you just blurt something out.

All of these events that these big movies do, that only reach "fans"....why do they do it? It costs money to go to E3, to promote and have marketing create posters at Expos, and fly all the crew over to Comic Con to talk about the film? Why do they do it? Is it for fun? No. These multi-million dollar companies do see reason to do it, they are businesses, and they do know that doing this may have some benefit. Marketing is my background dark_b, I've worked in it (the liquor industry for 6 years), and have my major in business and going for my masters. I do know some about it.

And one of the most famous things that most marketing does say..."50% of your marketing works, and the big question is what 50% is it?" It is hard to say.

Why would WB, Fox, Sony any of them even bother, if we are going by your words release pictures, spend the money on websites any of that crap costs money, from Press Releases, to pics, to websites, to virals, to showing footage in Amsterdam to a very very select few people. Why do they do it because they are nice? No. They do it because there is marketing value in it. Every year almost every major movie does show stuff a year to 8 months in advance to small groups of people. Us fans ourselves may not make or break a film. This is very very true. However, because of the social media world we live in we can help spread the hype. I know that I have spread hype and shown the picture of TDK to hundreds of people directly or indirectly though Facebook, Twitter all of that stuff. These companies know that we get excited about it, and if there is early positive buzz in marketing, it is called planting a seed.

Hopefully you understand this. Film companies are as tight as they can be with money, and again and again all major studios release footage at conventions, expos, or even on the internet extremely early. The reason is because in our world today there is so much marketing hitting your eyes and brain every second that its hard to get attention in crowded markets. So if you lay seeds of positive hype then expand it and build upon it it can help create a bigger success. We are but a small percentage of the film going audience, but people such as my self, directly or indirectly can hype or help spread word of mouth of a good film, and give it enough if there is a sequel that people will see it even more so, (see Batman Begins)

Now does it help a lot? That is a question no one really can answer. But the theory is sound and that is why they keep doing it. That is why Ridley and Fox spent money on showing and editing new footage to show of this film to a small group of people. Not because they want to hug and kiss us, there is reason behind everything they usually do, they hope that it will plant the seed in us, and it will expand, and we will go on the internet and fill Social media sites, and forums with our excitement possibly getting others excited then it can expand. Does it always work? No. Can it, well it worked well for TDK and many other films.

So I hope you understand where I am coming from with this.


On the other topic, of course a writer is not going to trash talk, I am always cautious about ever movie but it never stops me from getting hyped about a film. The chances are much greater with the team in place this will be a good film. But hey if it sucks it sucks. Getting hyped can be fun, and if its not good well there it is lol.

 

[Valaquen]

A few more hours and footage will be shown in Amsterdam. I'm pretty excited, I hope some footage gets out, though I think it unlikely, as the event isn't open to the general public. Likely we'll get a few tantalising tweets and an article or two.

 

[Solidus]

Yea, you never know but most likely we will get nothing. I am hoping for just really good descriptions of the stuff.

 

[Carnotaur3]

dark_b, did you even listen to the interview?

I'm a filmmaker myself, so I am quite aware of the games Hollywood plays. What excited me about the interview was its honesty. Damon was just being honest. I believed he loved his job, and that he understood what it takes to make great films, and not just product.

 

[Rowsdower!]

So how long do you think it will be before we see a title change to Prometheus: Rise of the Aliens or something?

 

[Valaquen]

So how long do you think it will be before we see a title change to Prometheus: Rise of the Aliens or something?

Never. (I hope).

 

[Rowsdower!]

We'll see. But even if this isn't a direct prequel to Alien, the studio execs will likely be looking at it several months before release and be thinking, "Hmmm... audiences are stupid and unless we beat them over the head with it, they might not realize this is connected to Alien." So get ready for...

Rise of the Planet of the Aliens
Alien Begins
Alien Origins: Prometheus
Alien and Alienerer: When Ridley Met Ripley

 

[Valaquen]

We'll see. But even if this isn't a direct prequel to Alien, the studio execs will likely be looking at it several months before release and be thinking, "Hmmm... audiences are stupid and unless we beat them over the head with it, they might not realize this is connected to Alien." So get ready for...

I think the entire pitch was to distance itself from the reek of Alien's recent reputation. I think after FOX bungling the series since 1991 [to most people there hasn't been a good Alien film since 1986!] they've finally let someone try a different tact. Who else but Scott to do so?

 

[Rowsdower!]

I think the entire pitch was to distance itself from the reek of Alien's recent reputation. I think after FOX bungling the series since 1991 [to most people there hasn't been a good Alien film since 1986!] they've finally let someone try a different tact. Who else but Scott to do so?

Well, you could be right about that. Those AVP movies, Resurrection and even Alien 3 were all mediocre-to-terrible. So perhaps they are intentionally trying to keep their distance. But I wonder, as the release date draws near and they begin to wonder if the film will find an audience, if they'll start to push the whole connection to Alien out into the light more.

After all, the Planet of the Apes prequel clearly is not intended as a prequel to the awful Burton/Wahlberg film, but rather the Heston one. They wanted to distance themselves from the more recent movie. But ultimately, they felt the need to change the title so people would clearly see that it's connected to the franchise.

 

[TX85]

We'll see. But even if this isn't a direct prequel to Alien, the studio execs will likely be looking at it several months before release and be thinking, "Hmmm... audiences are stupid and unless we beat them over the head with it, they might not realize this is connected to Alien." So get ready for...

Rise of the Planet of the Aliens
Alien Begins
Alien Origins: Prometheus
Alien and Alienerer: When Ridley Met Ripley

True,IF they changed the name then I'd be cool with"Alien Origins:Prometheus"though!!

 

[Valaquen]

Well, you could be right about that. Those AVP movies, Resurrection and even Alien 3 were all mediocre-to-terrible. So perhaps they are intentionally trying to keep their distance. But I wonder, as the release date draws near and they begin to wonder if the film will find an audience, if they'll start to push the whole connection to Alien out into the light more.

After all, the Planet of the Apes prequel clearly is not intended as a prequel to the awful Burton/Wahlberg film, but rather the Heston one. They wanted to distance themselves from the more recent movie. But ultimately, they felt the need to change the title so people would clearly see that it's connected to the franchise.

If FOX changed tact I'd imagine that would piss off Scott and Lindelof - however, I don't think it would do the series/film much harm, aside from the faint whiff of AVP clinging to its reputation.

 

[Bat-Mite]

We'll see. But even if this isn't a direct prequel to Alien, the studio execs will likely be looking at it several months before release and be thinking, "Hmmm... audiences are stupid and unless we beat them over the head with it, they might not realize this is connected to Alien." So get ready for...

Rise of the Planet of the Aliens
Alien Begins
Alien Origins: Prometheus
Alien and Alienerer: When Ridley Met Ripley

I'd be fine with Alien: Prometheus. Alien Origins is a bit much, I think. Still, maybe they'll keep it as just Prometheus, as so long as they market it as an alien film (or at least make a connection between the two) in the trailers and such, people will catch on. The Dark Knight didn't have Batman in the title, but it had Batman, the Joker, Alfred, the bat logo and so forth in the marketing. People caught on quickly.

 

[Carnotaur3]

They should keep it Prometheus.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Does anyone know yet why the movie is called Prometheus?

People might start to think it's another Greek mythology movie. Though I'm probably giving mainstream audiences too much credit with that assumption.

 

[Valaquen]

I don't think too many of the general public know who Prometheus is.

Footage should be shown around about now at the expo. Here's a shot from FOX's presentation:

http://lockerz.com/s/115034187

EDIT: Hmmm:

No #Prometheus footage screened but Ridley, Noomi, and michael were great!!!

http://***********/#!/DavidMPinedo/statuses/85795227943710720

 

[lime]

Does anyone know yet why the movie is called Prometheus?

Yeah,

Spoiler

the main crew's spaceship is called Prometheus

.

 

[Marvolo]

Does anyone know yet why the movie is called Prometheus?

People might start to think it's another Greek mythology movie. Though I'm probably giving mainstream audiences too much credit with that assumption.

In a recent interview Fassbender said the story is a metaphor for the story of Promethius. Promethius brought fire to mortals and was bound to a rock by zeus and everyday a bird ate his liver and every night it grew back. Some how the story is similar to this. The aliens are the fire and they are brought to mankind or something and the one who brings them ends up suffering for it. I will try to find the interview, but it has a lot more to do with the story than just being the name of a ship.

 

[Rowsdower!]

In a recent interview Fassbender said the story is a metaphor for the story of Promethius. Promethius brought fire to mortals and was bound to a rock by zeus and everyday a bird atr hos liver and every night it grew back. Some how the story is similar to this. The aliens are the fire and they are brought to mankind or something and the one who brings them ends up suffering for it. I will try to find the interviee, but it has a lot more to dow ith the story than just being the name of a ship.

Hmm, yeah, that would make sense. That would be cool if they do follow the myth in that respect. And although I doubt anyone's liver will be regrown, I have no doubt someone's will be eaten. t:

 

[Marvolo]

Hmm, yeah, that would make sense. That would be cool if they do follow the myth in that respect. And although I doubt anyone's liver will be regrown, I have no doubt someone's will be eaten. t:

Here is the interview. Its the last question. http://www.metro.us/newyork/enterta...michael-fassbender-talks-x-men-and-prometheus

 

[Carnotaur3]

Hmmm:

http://***********/#!/DavidMPinedo/statuses/85795227943710720

Must be waiting for Comic Con.

 

[Solidus]

Ya I think they will be done filming by the time CC comes out. And they do have a booth, so I guess they will be doing more then.

 

[DACrowe]

We'll see. But even if this isn't a direct prequel to Alien, the studio execs will likely be looking at it several months before release and be thinking, "Hmmm... audiences are stupid and unless we beat them over the head with it, they might not realize this is connected to Alien." So get ready for...

Rise of the Planet of the Aliens
Alien Begins
Alien Origins: Prometheus
Alien and Alienerer: When Ridley Met Ripley

I doubt it. The Alien brand is tarnished and Ridley's very sexual and Lovecraftian, fever dream of a monster has been diminished by each sequel. I like James Cameron's sequel, but they became "bugs" and action movie fodder. Another sequel and they became a franchise long-in-the-tooh. The installments after that turned it into a joke.

We don't know how prevalent the Giger monster will be in this film (I hope sparing). I hope it has a bigger scope and larger ideas than just setting up the start of Scott's classic. By not telling audiences what it is, it allows the film to swim in the murky mystery of dread that the first film was all about and not be bound by audience expectations for something big and stupid. The more ambiguous it is about being a prequel, the better off the movie will be in terms of quality and financial success, in my opinion.

 

[Solidus]

I doubt it. The Alien brand is tarnished and Ridley's very sexual and Lovecraftian, fever dream of a monster has been diminished by each sequel. I like James Cameron's sequel, but they became "bugs" and action movie fodder. Another sequel and they became a franchise long-in-the-tooh. The installments after that turned it into a joke.

I think both Alien and Aliens are masterpieces, though I do usually lean towards Alien for having the slight edge. But I never saw them becoming fodder, yea many of them died. But I thought Aliens had a naturalistic thematic flow from the first film. The first dealt with rape, and sexuality, and Aliens continued that in the next logical step which was maternity, whether forced upon you or the naturalistic instincts of maternity. The whole thing with Newt, to the Queen her self was really the core of the adventure of Aliens, yes there was more of them and there was lots more death, but Aliens I did not see them turned to bugs, I think Alien 3, Alien Resurrection really did that damage.

Aliens to me just went to the natural place to go next with the aliens in terms of themes.