punisher vs batman

[Brendan]

Bats is light years ahead of castle in hand to hand combat and even with weapons bats still has the edge.He is faster,bigger,stronger,smarter than castle.The only thing Castle has on Bats is he doesnt care who dies,bats does but in a fight to the death Bats would win hands down

Give me a break!

 

[comicfan4Life]

That's just wrong Brendan. For the last time Batman is not gay, he loves the kitty! Ask catwoman! if frank sees this he'll definately put Bruce on the hit-list. Why did you have to post this? Lol, that's just cold blooded.

 

[Spidey220987]

Give me a break!

LMAO!
nananananananana, nananananananana, BatPWNED t:

 

[Brendan]

That's just wrong Brendan. For the last time Batman is not gay, he loves the kitty! Ask catwoman! if frank sees this he'll definately put Bruce on the hit-list. Why did you have to post this? Lol, that's just cold blooded.

I enjoy both Batman and the Punisher, but when some idiot starts talking gibberish about how Punisher doesn't stand a chance obviously doesn't understand the character as well as us fans

 

[comicfan4Life]

I know hear you on that, but damn that hurts. I can actually see this as an excuse for punisher vs. batman.

Joker: Hey you, skull guy! batman touches kids!

Punisher: Take me to him. We're gonna have a little talk. lol!

 

[ComicFan0_0]

Okay guys. Firstly, Im a fan of both Marvel and DC. I like certain things from both. But I was looking for a list of some of Batmans feat and came up on this board. After reading a couple posts I realized you guys are obviously under informed. Anyone who has read JLA vs. Avengers has most of the DC/ Marvel fight questions they wanted answered, answered. In this case, the fight between Punisher and Batman wasnt even panel worthy. It happened as such, Batman looked down on Punisher shooting up some thugs, after telling the rest of the JLA not to interfere with this worlds issues. Then in the next panel Flash remarks on how Batman had just told them not to interfere, and then goes an beats up some loon in a skull tee-shirt. For more info read up on JLA/Avengers. Yeah, Batman wins hands down. Even the writers at Marvel knew that. If you believe different youre on your own.

 

[Fantasyartist]

This makes no sense: Batman has primarily a law enforcement( or law assisting) outlook unlike a hardened combat veteran like the Punisher.
As Ernest Borgnine's character General Worden puts it pithily in the opening scenes of "The Dirty Dozen"- "A soldier's job is to wear his uniform and kill the enemy"- whereas a policeman's is to uphold the law and apprehend criminals for trial. Whereas police officers MAY have to take the lives of criminals in self-defence or defending innocent civilians, no police department in its right mind would ( with the possible exception of SWAT) hire someone whose whole outlook is fixated on killing criminals( sorry, Dirty Harry, your services are NOT required!).
Based on mental outlook alone, putting the Caped Crusader up against the Punisher would be expecting Woody Allen to win a boxing match with Mike Tyson!

Terry

 

[RogueDK]

This question is like trying to pick your favorite child when they both ask you on the spot. I like both of these guys so I will try not to be too Bats fanboy...


These are two figures of the same coin. They're both driven by tragedy and staunch in their convictions on how to exact justice in their own ways. The only difference is one is willing to cross the line a little further than the other.

That being said, as cool as The Punisher is, there is no way that he walks away from a battle with Batman and not know that he's been in a fight. Batman is just too well rounded to come up short in this scuffle; I don't care how well-trained Castle is...he'll lose this one.

 

[rubyhope]

Batman would lose pure and simple. The Punisher can take and dish out much more then Batman. When you punched by Captain America and can still talk I believe that means something lol.

 

[RogueDK]

Batman would lose pure and simple. The Punisher can take and dish out much more then Batman. When you punched by Captain America and can still talk I believe that means something lol.

Daredevil also kicked Punisher's butt after Frank had outsmarted Wolverine and Spider-Man. Punisher is good I'll admit so your statement's a wash. Batman took Bane's worse and was exausted (from rounding up a sh**load of criminals on virtually no sleep) while fighting him despite getting owned in the end. Imagine if he weren't tired...Bats would kick Frank's a $ $ handily as long as he keeps ordnance out of the scuffle.


Now that I think of that Batman story arc, Azrael would kick The Punisher's butt off of sheer craziness alone.

This is a tough choice for me because I love both characters ALOT.

 

[rubyhope]

Azrael was a damn panzy in that crossover he was crazy as hell though.

 

[ObakeTora]

So the life of this thread indicates that a real Bats vs Puns would be a long fight? I keep saying that Frank has about the same martial arts training as Bats added to that his Marine special forces training. So it would have to be a long drawn out bloody fight, but I don't think Bats will tottally pwn Frank, I think Bats would win but only through a slight margin, you think about it history has shown Puns doesnt really fight fair in a street fight, as the aforemeentioned poster put it, the soldier's job is to kill the enemy, not apprehend or rape them. Point Im trying to make here is that Puns has a high degree of martial arts training, I mean come one, he fought US Agent to a standstill!!!

 

[David Rice]

This makes no sense: Batman has primarily a law enforcement( or law assisting) outlook unlike a hardened combat veteran like the Punisher.
As Ernest Borgnine's character General Worden puts it pithily in the opening scenes of "The Dirty Dozen"- "A soldier's job is to wear his uniform and kill the enemy"- whereas a policeman's is to uphold the law and apprehend criminals for trial. Whereas police officers MAY have to take the lives of criminals in self-defence or defending innocent civilians, no police department in its right mind would ( with the possible exception of SWAT) hire someone whose whole outlook is fixated on killing criminals( sorry, Dirty Harry, your services are NOT required!).
Based on mental outlook alone, putting the Caped Crusader up against the Punisher would be expecting Woody Allen to win a boxing match with Mike Tyson!

Terry

You don't know Batman very well. A policeman is the last thing that he is and your analogy is just dumb.

 

[Fantasyartist]

Dear David Rice

Please explain how Batman is NOT like a policeman- he apprehends criminals and(although he may not testify in court) leaves them for the courts to deal with as opposed to summarily executing them like the Punisher!

Terry

 

[RogueDK]

Based on mental outlook alone, putting the Caped Crusader up against the Punisher would be expecting Woody Allen to win a boxing match with Mike Tyson!

Terry

Woody Allen = Batman?

Your comparisons are so glaringly bias to the point that they're too insulting to carry any weight...


I mean Batman has been one of the STAPLES in the comic genre for over 60 years yet when going up against The Punisher he's about as venomous as Fielding Mellish? I hope that was a bit of humor.

 

[citizenpain]

Woody Allen = Batman?

Your comparisons are so glaringly bias to the point that they're too insulting to carry any weight...


I mean Batman has been one of the STAPLES in the comic genre for over 60 years yet when going up against The Punisher he's about as venomous as Fielding Mellish? I hope that was a bit of humor.

and your opinion is so glaringly bias due to the fact that you've got the dark knight in huge letters in your sig. t:

 

[RogueDK]

and your opinion is so glaringly bias due to the fact that you've got the dark knight in huge letters in your sig. t:

LOL!

*Looks at citizenpain's avatar*

 

[David Rice]

Dear David Rice

Please explain how Batman is NOT like a policeman- he apprehends criminals and(although he may not testify in court) leaves them for the courts to deal with as opposed to summarily executing them like the Punisher!

Terry

Policmen have a set a laws they MUST follow... or atleast should.

Batman does not, he has a code and in many ways he is above most of those laws. His code is that he does not kill and that is what separates him from the criminal element. If he was to kill he would be no better then man who killed his parents. To say that The Punisher would win because he kills or because he is a hardened combat veteran is just dumb. The Joker kills. Two Face kills. So what? I get the feeling that you think Batman is some kind of a "nice guy." He is not. In fact, during a fight with Superman he said, "I know he could pound me in the ground, but deep down he's a nice guy. I'm not."

You're also forgeting the most important part of this fight. The mind. Batman's proven that he can and would defeat the whole JLA. I'm not saying that Frank is not a great strategist, but compared to Batman he second IMO. Batman beat a Predator for god sake. He got his ass kicked at first, but in the end he found a way to beat him.

 

[David Rice]

So the life of this thread indicates that a real Bats vs Puns would be a long fight? I keep saying that Frank has about the same martial arts training as Bats added to that his Marine special forces training. So it would have to be a long drawn out bloody fight, but I don't think Bats will tottally pwn Frank, I think Bats would win but only through a slight margin, you think about it history has shown Puns doesnt really fight fair in a street fight, as the aforemeentioned poster put it, the soldier's job is to kill the enemy, not apprehend or rape them. Point Im trying to make here is that Puns has a high degree of martial arts training, I mean come one, he fought US Agent to a standstill!!!

Batman fight Cap and beat him.

 

[Fantasyartist]

The Joker or two face may kill- but they AREN'T trained combat veterans like the Punisher!

Terry

 

[RogueDK]

The Joker or two face may kill- but they AREN'T trained combat veterans like the Punisher!

Terry

Please excuse me if this was already posted on here but I thought I might put up a little info on Batman just to see if he had the aptitude to take on Frank Castle. From this brief excerpt, Batman is hardly Woody Allen:




History: Historical References for Batman

• Batman is a trained scientist, escape artist, detective and inventor.
• Batman began his physical and mental conditioning when he was 11.
• Began intense physical training and weight lifting at age 12.
• Trained in the US for various martial arts for 3 years.
• Gained degrees in criminal science, forensics, computer science, chemistry and engineering by the time he was 16.
• Became 2st and 3nd degree black belt in Karate, Judo, Jujitsu, Aikido by the time he was 17.
• Trained and became proficient with all small arms and basic vehicles operations. By the time he was 18 he:
  
• Studied commando style operations with small mercenary units.
• Left US to further study martial arts under specialized masters.
• Other skills: knife throwing, escrima, melee weapons mastery, body control
• Other skills: disguise, diverse environmental training, combat driving, savate, kungfu
• Other skills: security systems, illusion/sleight of hand, blind fighting By the time he was 24 he had expanded his studies for more advanced:
  
• forensic and medical sciences
• expanded computer and engineering sciences
• expanded disguise and weapon/device sciences
• expand device pool, improve vehicle designs
• use of personal powered armor and systems.
• continual physical training in Batcave facility.
• database creation on underworld crime bosses, rogue's gallery foes and other supers.
• expanded melee weapon techniques
• improved material sciences for body armor and micro-machinery

Skills and Powers

With few exceptions, the non-metahuman known as the Batman is a superbly trained and highly experienced fighting machine. Mastering the world's most lethal martial arts disciplines, he is considered to be the best martial artist in the world. The enigmatic Lady Shiva (see attached files), the new Green Arrow, and perhaps his young protege, Nightwing, are the only non-metas on the planet who could possibly defeat him in a one on one conflict.

Batman maintains the physical stature of a man in perfect physical condition and he constantly trains his physical abilities, strength, agility, reflexes and coordination until they reach mythical proportions for a human. Starting at a very young age, Batman conditioned his body with physical regimes such as strength conditioning, martial arts, yoga and biofeedback. These years of intenstive training have allowed him to become and remain one of the most physically capable men on Earth. He may bench press approximately 725 pounds and is the near-equal or equal of the world's best athlete in any Olympic event. Batman is a ruthless combatant and fights with an unothodoxed mixture of styles that incorporate techniques from other cultures, mixed with the weapon styles of his uniform. These include batarangs, razor-wings and grappling lines. Batman is also an accomplished night fighter and is capable of fighting in an obscured or poorly lit environnment.

http://www.starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/batman/batman.html

 

[David Rice]

The Joker or two face may kill- but they AREN'T trained combat veterans like the Punisher!

Terry

That's it huh? That's all you got after what I wrote? Ok, stay in denial then. t:

 

[citizenpain]

breaking out the bio doesn't prove anything... i could post a list of all the fictional things that frank castle has learned and achieved too, but it's not that simple. i'm a big fan of both characters, and this would be a long and grueling battle if these two actually went at it.

 

[RogueDK]

breaking out the bio doesn't prove anything... i could post a list of all the fictional things that frank castle has learned and achieved too, but it's not that simple. i'm a big fan of both characters, and this would be a long and grueling battle if these two actually went at it.

My posting the bio was to prove to some here that Batman wouldn't be an easy win. And YES a bio is a template in which one can assess the extent of the character's worthiness.

No one discourages you for posting Punisher's bio if you want; I just wanted to prove that he wasn't Woody Allen going up against Mike Tyson with ridiculous odds...


And you're right...the fight would be gruelling... but the Bat walks away... the victor...

 

[citizenpain]

okay.

• During his time in the US Marine Corps, Castle graduated from boot camp and then went on to United States Marine Corps School of Infantry. Immediately after, he went through the USMC's Reconnaissance, Force Reconnaissance, and Sniper Schools.
• Also went through U.S. Army Airborne School, and U.S. Navy Underwater Demolition Team training, becoming qualified as a Navy SEAL (Sea, Air and Land). While still in training, Castle met Phan Bighawk, a Native American scout. He was assigned to be Castle's guide, and through Phan, he learned how to survive in the wilderness.
• Following his training, Castle would serve in the Vietnam War in the Special Forces Unit as a point man. He fought in numerous engagements and was the only survivor (from both sides) of a Viet Cong assault on Valley Forge Firebase in 1971. For heroism in the line of duty, he was decorated with the Congressional Medal of Honor, the Navy Cross, the Silver Star 3 times, Bronze Star, the Purple Heart 4 times, and the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
• After finishing his first tour of duty in Vietnam, he signed up for a second tour. Castle served a total of 4 years in the Vietnam War (1968 to 1971). Six years later (1976) after the American involvement in Vietnam ended, Castle ran Special Black Ops training missions for Marine Recon Commandos in the upper New York State area.

Punisher is the recipient of multi-disciplinary military training from the U.S. Marine Corps. While a Marine, he also received training from the U.S. Army and Navy. From this training, Punisher is proficient in not only basic infantry skills, but in special operations, which includes the use and maintenance of specialized firearms and explosive ordnance. He is highly trained in infiltration into heavily-guarded enemy territories and structures for the purpose of assassination, captures, and military intelligence. Also, he is trained in various forms of camouflage and stealth. From his airborne training, Punisher is able to pack and maintain his own parachute rigs, as well as professionally control his landings, in daylight and at night. From his Navy UDT training, Punisher is well-skilled in extended underwater operations, including demolitions. He is skilled with a great many types of explosives, ranging from simple dynamite to plastique to improvised explosives.

The Punisher's ever-changing arsenal of weaponry includes various automatic and semi-automatic rifles, and an array of handguns, fragmentation and tear gas grenades, other explosives, and combat knives. A personal favorite is his ballistic knife, which can launch its blade with lethal force. The Punisher has a Kevlar uniform which protects him from most gunfire, though he can still suffer concussive injury or penetration from sufficient or repeated impacts. He commonly uses M16 .223 caliber automatic rifles, Sterling Mark 6 9mm, semi-automatic rifles, 9mm Browning Llama automatic pistols, .45 caliber automatic frame rechambered for 9mm. ammunition, .223 caliber Derringers, and Gerber Mark II combat knives.

His hand-to-hand combat skills are more then sufficient to allow him to incapacitate and kill men much stronger than he is, as well as to deal with groups of armed and unarmed enemies, killing them all without weapons if he deems it necessary. He is also extremely deadly in knife training, preferring the knife he learned to fight with in the USMC: the ka-bar. Additionally, he is a preternaturally-precise marksman. He is thoroughly trained and experienced in unconventional ("guerilla") warfare. He is an armorer, a gunsmith, and an expert in field medicine.

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batman and punisher are so similar and so different and yeah it would be an insane battle, but the punisher comes out on top. he was a soldier before he ever set out to be the punisher, whereas bruce wayne was learning martial arts and studying?! big deal, studying engineering isn't gonna help you even if you can make a batarang cuz you're going up against granades and m-16s. and martial arts are about self-defense, whereas in the military, you're trained to kill. castle's got more experience. he wins... plus there's the fact that batman isn't willing to go as far as the punisher would and actually finish his opponent off.