Question for Atheists

See…what I don’t get is…What kind of a person are you? I mean, you “turned from God” and suddenly you became what? A monster? Why is it you need some sort of entity or “thing” hanging over yourself to be a good person? I personally am the best person I can be. I don’t steal, I don’t get drunk and act like an idiot…I give up my seat for women or the elderly and I am respectful to everyone I encounter. This is how I was raised (by my Atheist father) and it’s the way I now raise my daughter. I don’t need the fear of religion or the so called love of a higher being to act as such. Being a decent person has its own rewards. Religion is not a part of my life in any way. I don’t need it to guide my actions. I take responsibility for what I do and who I am. By what you’re saying, all humans are evil and we need religion to be on the straight and narrow. I don’t agree with that at all. It sounds like the typical jargon about how we humans aren’t really responsible for our actions or behavior. So really, what became of you when you “turned your back”?
You're missing the point, which is that to God, decency does not equal holiness or purity. We have all sinned, and thus fall short of the standard. the only way we can enter Heaven is through repentance and God's grace, which he provides only through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
 
You're missing the point, which is that to God, decency does not equal holiness or purity. We have all sinned, and thus fall short of the standard. the only way we can enter Heaven is through repentance and God's grace, which he provides only through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Fantastic. My question to you still remains. I also find it humorous when people try to tell me what God means or intends. As if any human could possibly know that.
 
Stikmann said:
Fantastic. My question to you still remains. I also find it humorous when people try to tell me what God means or intends. As if any human could possibly know that.
As many in this thread and others have stated, God left us the Bible to help us determine His will for our lives. If you don't want to accept it as the Truth, then that's between you and Him. I've said it a few times before: "If you are right in your beliefs, then what have I lost by believing as I do? On the other hand, if Jesus is the only way, then what have you lost by rejecting Him?" Think about it...really ask yourself that, rather than jumping to the easiest answer. No one can claim ignorance of Christ, because even if a person is never told outright, God will speak to them through their heart. Whether they choose to listen is another story altogether.
 
Whats it going to take?
"God" butt raping me might change my mind..
 
As many in this thread and others have stated, God left us the Bible to help us determine His will for our lives. If you don't want to accept it as the Truth, then that's between you and Him. I've said it a few times before: "If you are right in your beliefs, then what have I lost by believing as I do? On the other hand, if Jesus is the only way, then what have you lost by rejecting Him?" Think about it...really ask yourself that, rather than jumping to the easiest answer. No one can claim ignorance of Christ, because even if a person is never told outright, God will speak to them through their heart. Whether they choose to listen is another story altogether.

Everything you type reminds me of a fundamentalist. Should I accept the Bible as truth when it advocates:

slavery (basically, it says that anyone who isn't an Israelite is free game)
stoning people of different faiths
animal sacrifice (among other things, you must sacrifice an animal at the temple to repent for having sex with an engaged slave)
killing of babies (Wilhelm's covered one instance of this)
rape (again, anyone who isn't an Israelite is fair game)
murder (Uh... ^)
genocide (by both god and Moses, as well as many others under god's command)

...and various other moral screws? Should I accept it when it clearly has no regard for the science of the day (such as evolution and other things), and when the people who do believe in it refuse to admit to such scientifically proven things as, I don't know...GLOBAL WARMING?
 
As many in this thread and others have stated, God left us the Bible to help us determine His will for our lives. If you don't want to accept it as the Truth, then that's between you and Him.

he could just tell us what his will is.
each of us, individually, and then, we'd be spared all these fundamentalists ruining the fun for everyone.
also we'd be more concerned with helping each other and children wouldn't die and starve, and we'd all be together in curing illness and stuff.

why doesn't he just do that?
please, someone sane answer, why wouldn't he do that!?
he used to talk to people all the time.
sinners, virtuous It didn't matter, what the hell? is he locked in his room listening to linkin park or something?
 
Everything you type reminds me of a fundamentalist. Should I accept the Bible as truth when it advocates:

slavery (basically, it says that anyone who isn't an Israelite is free game)
stoning people of different faiths
animal sacrifice (among other things, you must sacrifice an animal at the temple to repent for having sex with an engaged slave)
killing of babies (Wilhelm's covered one instance of this)
rape (again, anyone who isn't an Israelite is fair game)
murder (Uh... ^)
genocide (by both god and Moses, as well as many others under god's command)

...and various other moral screws? Should I accept it when it clearly has no regard for the science of the day (such as evolution and other things), and when the people who do believe in it refuse to admit to such scientifically proven things as, I don't know...GLOBAL WARMING?
Let's take the subjects you posted one at a time...

Slavery

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt so you would no longer be their slaves. I broke the yoke of slavery from your neck so you can walk with your heads held high." ~Leviticus 26:13~

"In that day the Lord will end the bondage of his people.He will break the yoke of slavery and lift it from their shoulders." ~Isaiah 10:27~

"So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law." ~Galatians 5:1~

Clearly, God's purpose of freedom is stated sveral times in the Scriptures; it was man who used slavery to opress people, not God.

Stoning Practicioners of Other Faiths

Perhaps you're referring to passages such as this...

"Then they put their hands over their ears and began shouting. They rushed at him, and dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. His accusers took off their coats and laid them at the feet of a young man named Saul. As they stoned him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” He fell to his knees, shouting, “Lord, don’t charge them with this sin!” And with that, he died. Saul was one of the witnesses, and he agreed completely with the killing of Stephen. ~Acts 7:57-8:1~

Now, remember that this happened before Saul of Tarsus was redeemed by God. Saul was a ruthless butcher of Christians, until God Himself turned his life around. Once he repented, God forgave him, and changed his name to Paul, whom Jesus would soon take on as a disciple. He went from murdering Christ's followers to helping them. No doubt that was a miracle of God. Later on, Jesus Himself deals with the issue of stoning someone, and demonstrates His authority to grant freedom through grace.

As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd. “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?” They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust. When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?” “No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.” ~John 8:3-10~

Animal Sacrifice

"First, Christ said, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them” (though they are required by the law of Moses). Then he said, “Look, I have come to do your will.” He cancels the first covenant in order to put the second into effect. For God’s will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time." ~Hebrews 10:8-10~

And so, dear brothers and sisters, we can boldly enter heaven’s Most Holy Place because of the blood of Jesus. By his death, Jesus opened a new and life-giving way through the curtain into the Most Holy Place. And since we have a great High Priest who rules over God’s house, let us go right into the presence of God with sincere hearts fully trusting Him. For our guilty consciences have been sprinkled with Christ’s blood to make us clean, and our bodies have been washed with pure water." ~Hebrews 10:19-22~

Simply put, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ (His death, burial, resurrection, and ascension) erased the requirements of the Law and the Old Covenant. We now live under a New Covenant, which promises eternal forgiveness through faith in Christ, and submission to Him as Lord and Savior.

Killing Children

Jesus came into this world to prevent death, not endorse it. Every time society has started killing babies, God sent a deliverer. Pharoah was killing children, and God sent Moses to free the Israelites from (what else?) slavery. Herod killed children, and God sent Jesus as the final payment for suffering and death. Whenever mankind or Satan starts destroying life, God sends someone to bring life. One instance of Jesus resurrecting the dead (which He did many times) is detailed below. It's a perfect example of mankind's plans being opposite those of God.

"While he was still speaking to her, messengers arrived from the home of Jairus, the leader of the synagogue. They told him, “Your daughter is dead. There’s no use troubling the Teacher now.” But Jesus overheard them and said to Jairus, “Don’t be afraid. Just have faith.” Then Jesus stopped the crowd and wouldn’t let anyone go with him except Peter, James, and John (the brother of James). When they came to the home of the synagogue leader, Jesus saw much commotion and weeping and wailing. He went inside and asked, “Why all this commotion and weeping? The child isn’t dead; she’s only asleep.” The crowd laughed at him. But he made them all leave, and he took the girl’s father and mother and his three disciples into the room where the girl was lying. Holding her hand, he said to her, “Talitha koum,” which means “Little girl, get up!” And the girl, who was twelve years old, immediately stood up and walked around! They were overwhelmed and totally amazed." ~Mark 5:35-42~

Rape

“But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man must die. Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death. She is as innocent as a murder victim. Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her." ~Deuteronomy 22:25-27~

Under the Old Covenant, the penalty for rapists was death, while the victims were not harmed. This is true justice, since as indicated in the above passage, the woman involved did nothing wrong. Through Jesus, the eternal penalty for that crime (spiritual death) has been erased, just like any other crime...but only for those who put aside their selfish nature and follow Christ. It's that simple.

Murder

See the above verses for stoning; it applies equally to this.

Genocide

Under my entry about animal sacrifice, I posted this Scriptural reference:

"He cancels the first covenant in order to put the second into effect. For God’s will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time." ~Hebrews 10:8-10~
Now, what makes you think that the New Covenant in Christ would cover only a portion of sin? It staes clearly that Christ removed all eternal consequences for sin, even genocide. What He asks in return is for us to love, trust, and embrace that gift. If we refuse, then we have sealed our own fate. As for being a "fundamentalist", I think you and I have different definitions of that word. In my opinion a fundamentalists is one who not only preaches the rules, but takes it so far as to impose hatred, jealousy, and human wrath, which God says we have no right to commit. Just because there's someone willing to tell the truth, and you don't like it, doesn't make them an automatic extremist.
 
Mentioning slavery (or anything else) does not necessarily condone it; and by the way, have you been listening to anything about the New Covenant? Every point a lot of you have made has been under the Old Law, the eternal consequences of which were abolished when Christ payed the final price.
 
Mentioning slavery (or anything else) does not necessarily condone it; and by the way, have you been listening to anything about the New Covenant? Every point a lot of you have made has been under the Old Law, the eternal consequences of which were abolished when Christ payed the final price.

I pay the price of having to read through your garbage every time I come in here. Any chance you can do something besides talk about religion? Since you're such a movie fan, try, oh, I don't know, talking about a movie. Maybe people will be more receptive to that. :dry:
 
Let's take the subjects you posted one at a time...

Slavery

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt so you would no longer be their slaves. I broke the yoke of slavery from your neck so you can walk with your heads held high." ~Leviticus 26:13~

"In that day the Lord will end the bondage of his people.He will break the yoke of slavery and lift it from their shoulders." ~Isaiah 10:27~

"So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law." ~Galatians 5:1~

Clearly, God's purpose of freedom is stated sveral times in the Scriptures; it was man who used slavery to opress people, not God.


okay, that's a lie

The Freaking Bible!!! said:
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)



Stoning Practicioners of Other Faiths

Perhaps you're referring to passages such as this...

"Then they put their hands over their ears and began shouting. They rushed at him, and dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. His accusers took off their coats and laid them at the feet of a young man named Saul. As they stoned him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” He fell to his knees, shouting, “Lord, don’t charge them with this sin!” And with that, he died. Saul was one of the witnesses, and he agreed completely with the killing of Stephen. ~Acts 7:57-8:1~

Now, remember that this happened before Saul of Tarsus was redeemed by God. Saul was a ruthless butcher of Christians, until God Himself turned his life around. Once he repented, God forgave him, and changed his name to Paul, whom Jesus would soon take on as a disciple. He went from murdering Christ's followers to helping them. No doubt that was a miracle of God. Later on, Jesus Himself deals with the issue of stoning someone, and demonstrates His authority to grant freedom through grace.

As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd. “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?” They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust. When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?” “No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.” ~John 8:3-10~
no he means like these
Once Again said:
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


Killing Children

Jesus came into this world to prevent death, not endorse it. Every time society has started killing babies, God sent a deliverer. Pharoah was killing children, and God sent Moses to free the Israelites from (what else?) slavery. Herod killed children, and God sent Jesus as the final payment for suffering and death. Whenever mankind or Satan starts destroying life, God sends someone to bring life. One instance of Jesus resurrecting the dead (which He did many times) is detailed below. It's a perfect example of mankind's plans being opposite those of God.

"While he was still speaking to her, messengers arrived from the home of Jairus, the leader of the synagogue. They told him, “Your daughter is dead. There’s no use troubling the Teacher now.” But Jesus overheard them and said to Jairus, “Don’t be afraid. Just have faith.” Then Jesus stopped the crowd and wouldn’t let anyone go with him except Peter, James, and John (the brother of James). When they came to the home of the synagogue leader, Jesus saw much commotion and weeping and wailing. He went inside and asked, “Why all this commotion and weeping? The child isn’t dead; she’s only asleep.” The crowd laughed at him. But he made them all leave, and he took the girl’s father and mother and his three disciples into the room where the girl was lying. Holding her hand, he said to her, “Talitha koum,” which means “Little girl, get up!” And the girl, who was twelve years old, immediately stood up and walked around! They were overwhelmed and totally amazed." ~Mark 5:35-42~

ahem....again
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Rape

“But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man must die. Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death. She is as innocent as a murder victim. Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her." ~Deuteronomy 22:25-27~

Under the Old Covenant, the penalty for rapists was death, while the victims were not harmed. This is true justice, since as indicated in the above passage, the woman involved did nothing wrong. Through Jesus, the eternal penalty for that crime (spiritual death) has been erased, just like any other crime...but only for those who put aside their selfish nature and follow Christ. It's that simple.

nope, wrong...lies actually

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.


(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.


(Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."



(Judges 5:30 NAB)

They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)



Murder

See the above verses for stoning; it applies equally to this.

did you really read the bible? like..................... ever?


Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)


Just because there's someone willing to tell the truth, and you don't like it, doesn't make them an automatic extremist.

oh, sweet sweet irony!!!!
 
Now, what makes you think that the New Covenant in Christ would cover only a portion of sin? It staes clearly that Christ removed all eternal consequences for sin, even genocide. What He asks in return is for us to love, trust, and embrace that gift. If we refuse, then we have sealed our own fate. As for being a "fundamentalist", I think you and I have different definitions of that word. In my opinion a fundamentalists is one who not only preaches the rules, but takes it so far as to impose hatred, jealousy, and human wrath, which God says we have no right to commit. Just because there's someone willing to tell the truth, and you don't like it, doesn't make them an automatic extremist.

Yes, we do apparently. Most fundamentalists aren't jealous or hateful, just EXTREMELY EXTREMELY EXTREMELY close-minded. Hmm, sounds familiar.

So, tell me: what did you think of Happy Feet and Footloose?
 
Mr Sparkle said:
okay, that's a lie

no he means like these

ahem....again

nope, wrong...lies actually

did you really read the bible? like..................... ever?

oh, sweet sweet irony!!!!
And once again, you quote endless statements regarding the Old Covenant, in which we no longer live. Jesus died to give us a new life through Him. If you stubbornly refuse to accept it, then God will give you the fate we all deserve by default. Do you honestly want that? I don't know anyone that would...

What did you think of Happy Feet and Footloose?
Never saw Happy Feet, and Footloose is one of my favorite '80s films. I believed what Jon Lithgow's character was doing was wrong, even though his heart was right. He wanted to help people, but got trapped in his own grief, becoming a radical extremist.
 
And once again, you quote endless statements regarding the Old Covenant, in which we no longer live. Jesus died to give us a new life through Him. If you stubbornly refuse to accept it, then God will give you the fate we all deserve by default. Do you honestly want that? I don't anyone that would...

I want it. I want it bad. Give it to me! :mad:
 
Ooh yes.

Funnily enough, we can read, moviefan. We know where said rules and passages are. Another funny thing is how, by your logic, your own religion doubles up on itself. And how most of your quotes regarding how what I said was wrong CAME FROM DAMN NEAR THE SAME SECTIONS AS THE OPPOSITE!
 
Actually, i was rather diverse; my quotes came from both Testaments, 5 from the New, 3 from the Old, and of those 3, they were used for constrasting the "old law" with the new gift of grace. Others have spent tons of time quoting about all the horrible things during the Old Testament, but barely (if at all) hint on the fact that those laws were abolished by Christ and His sacrifice. Jesus Himself said, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, body, soul, spirit, and mind. And love your neighbor as yourself. This is the sum of all the Law and the prophets." If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won't go around belitting or ridiculing them. If you love God, you'll embrace the gift of salvation He provided to rescue you. Christianity is actually rather simple; it just takes faith.
 
Actually, i was rather diverse; my quotes came from both Testaments, 5 from the New, 3 from the Old, and of those 3, they were used for constrasting the "old law" with the new gift of grace. Others have spent tons of time quoting about all the horrible things during the Old Testament, but barely (if at all) hint on the fact that those laws were abolished by Christ and His sacrifice. Jesus Himself said, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, body, soul, spirit, and mind. And love your neighbor as yourself. This is the sum of all the Law and the prophets." If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won't go around belitting or ridiculing them. If you love God, you'll embrace the gift of salvation He provided to rescue you. Christianity is actually rather simple; it just takes faith.

"Cause you got to have faith, oooooooh I gotta have faith."
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You know who that is moviefan? That's Jesus.
 
Well...aren't they really sorta the same thing? :o
Ha... don't be embarrassed, David has some game. But parlor tricks just don't measure up to the real thing. From some of the answers I've seen here, some of you would get a ride you didn't plan on getting. Whether you believe in God or not, I'm sure you know that if a "God" does exist his mere presence would be more than enough for you to know.

Actually, i was rather diverse; my quotes came from both Testaments, 5 from the New, 3 from the Old, and of those 3, they were used for constrasting the "old law" with the new gift of grace. Others have spent tons of time quoting about all the horrible things during the Old Testament, but barely (if at all) hint on the fact that those laws were abolished by Christ and His sacrifice. Jesus Himself said, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, body, soul, spirit, and mind. And love your neighbor as yourself. This is the sum of all the Law and the prophets." If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won't go around belitting or ridiculing them. If you love God, you'll embrace the gift of salvation He provided to rescue you. Christianity is actually rather simple; it just takes faith.
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Actually, i was rather diverse; my quotes came from both Testaments, 5 from the New, 3 from the Old, and of those 3, they were used for constrasting the "old law" with the new gift of grace. Others have spent tons of time quoting about all the horrible things during the Old Testament, but barely (if at all) hint on the fact that those laws were abolished by Christ and His sacrifice. Jesus Himself said, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, body, soul, spirit, and mind. And love your neighbor as yourself. This is the sum of all the Law and the prophets." If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won't go around belitting or ridiculing them. If you love God, you'll embrace the gift of salvation He provided to rescue you. Christianity is actually rather simple; it just takes faith.

No, see, I think you miss my point. Regardless of Old Covenant or New, all of Sparkle's quotations came from the Bible, which, IYHO, is the one true word of god as handed down to the prophets. All these came from the same, belittling god. Basically, when you say Jesus erased the crimes and such like you said, it's like saying god said "Oh, ****. I screwed up. Oh, well. Son!"

Also, what are we to make of the story of Job, which is essentially god making a bet with a human life while subjecting said Job to unspeakable tragedies, only to prove a vain point to the devil about his followers.

And, wait! (and I KNOW I'm reaching here; thus, I'm exaggerating ) Aren't the ten commandments originally part of the Old? Never mind the fact that nowadays (and for the past few hundred years) they're reprinted separately. Originally, weren't they from the Old?
 
You're missing the point, which is that to God, decency does not equal holiness or purity. We have all sinned, and thus fall short of the standard. the only way we can enter Heaven is through repentance and God's grace, which he provides only through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

You'd think that a god, with all of a god's abilities, would be able to come up with a system that doesn't include the sacrifice of someone or something, as sacrificial offerings make up a large part of the Bible. That there wouldn't be a need for a "standard," but that he did it right the first time.

Quite frankly, God strikes me as an inept and hateful child, who only loves you when you bow before him, and sends those who don't to hell for eternity. Really, what perfect god would do that? Has any Christian ever wondered why a perfect and supposedly benevolent god would have a need for eternal damnation? Or do you gasp at the thought of questioning God's motives?

I'd like to see a Bible that actually lives up to the hype(if you'll pardon the pun). One that was actually perfect, and didn't need a bunch of ignorant fundies to constantly come up with reasons why it isn't really wrong. I suspect that a Bible that is truly inspired by a perfect god, that actually acted as perfect as described, would not in any way resemble that one that currently graces the hands and infects the minds of so many true believers.

If I saw that, I'd start knowing. Believing is just a presupposition that something is false.
 
You'd think that a god, with all of a god's abilities, would be able to come up with a system that doesn't include the sacrifice of someone or something, as sacrificial offerings make up a large part of the Bible. That there wouldn't be a need for a "standard," but that he did it right the first time.

Quite frankly, God strikes me as an inept and hateful child, who only loves you when you bow before him, and sends those who don't to hell for eternity. Really, what perfect god would do that? Has any Christian ever wondered why a perfect and supposedly benevolent god would have a need for eternal damnation? Or do you gasp at the thought of questioning God's motives?

I'd like to see a Bible that actually lives up to the hype(if you'll pardon the pun). One that was actually perfect, and didn't need a bunch of ignorant fundies to constantly come up with reasons why it isn't really wrong. I suspect that a Bible that is truly inspired by a perfect god, that actually acted as perfect as described, would not in any way resemble that one that currently graces the hands and infects the minds of so many true believers.

If I saw that, I'd start knowing. Believing is just a presupposition that something is false.

Its not his job to babysit us, we all make our own choices and sometimes our choices affect others (ex. wars, shoot outs, etc.). Its our decision on what we do with the outcomes from others.

If he were down here right now guiding us 24/7 and making sure we dont do anything stupid, everybody would be going to heaven. We are a flawed race, free will gives us the option to lead good lives or just the opposite.
 

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