Questions/Suggestions for Tim Story (Post them here!)

[Kelly]

I see nothing wrong with the title as it is....it says what the movie is about....nothing wrong with that...

 

[Dissonance]

I see nothing wrong with the title as it is....it says what the movie is about....nothing wrong with that...

I think the directness of it sounds a bit campy. I'd prefer something different (especially since they're AGAINST the SS instead), but I'm not throwing a fit about it.

 

[wobbly]

My suggestions are simple enough:

1) Drop that title, it's crap.

2) If Doom is indeed back get rid of the stupid organic armor and electro powers (note to the writer who dreamed up that change: you're an idiot) and take the character back to his battle-armored, scar faced bad-@ss roots.

3) Re: Silver Surfer and Galactus: NO Ultimate elements, not even a hint of them. They are a pale imitation on the Lee/Kirby originals, just as Ult/Doom is too. You have great concepts to work with from those originals, so please dont blow it by going even a little 'ultimate' on us (you did this with Doom and it ruined the character).

4) On the script: Don't be afraid to have some character development, and please don't have a character and cut that role to peices (Ie: Alicia in the first film), so what if that takes the movie over the 90 minute threshold this particular studio seems to love so much, the film will be better for it and won't have audiences wondering why/what/ the hell is going on.

5) and Lastly...Work on the Thing suit. A representation closer to the comics certainly is possible, put in some effort and give us it: The Thing should be something that blows audiences away, not has them thinking "ooh, that's a nice rubber suit".

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

My suggestions are simple enough:

1) Drop that title, it's crap.

2) If Doom is indeed back get rid of the stupid organic armor and electro powers (note to the writer who dreamed up that change: you're an idiot) and take the character back to his battle-armored, scar faced bad-@ss roots.

3) Re: Silver Surfer and Galactus: NO Ultimate elements, not even a hint of them. They are a pale imitation on the Lee/Kirby originals, just as Ult/Doom is too. You have great concepts to work with from those originals, so please dont blow it by going even a little 'ultimate' on us (you did this with Doom and it ruined the character).

4) On the script: Don't be afraid to have some character development, and please don't have a character and cut that role to peices (Ie: Alicia in the first film), so what if that takes the movie over the 90 minute threshold this particular studio seems to love so much, the film will be better for it and won't have audiences wondering why/what/ the hell is going on.

5) and Lastly...Work on the Thing suit. A representation closer to the comics certainly is possible, put in some effort and give us it: The Thing should be something that blows audiences away, not has them thinking "ooh, that's a nice rubber suit".

*Standing Ovation*

 

[liesse00]

I'm embarassed for you guys

 

[Kelly]

My suggestions are simple enough:

1) Drop that title, it's crap.

2) If Doom is indeed back get rid of the stupid organic armor and electro powers (note to the writer who dreamed up that change: you're an idiot) and take the character back to his battle-armored, scar faced bad-@ss roots.

3) Re: Silver Surfer and Galactus: NO Ultimate elements, not even a hint of them. They are a pale imitation on the Lee/Kirby originals, just as Ult/Doom is too. You have great concepts to work with from those originals, so please dont blow it by going even a little 'ultimate' on us (you did this with Doom and it ruined the character).

4) On the script: Don't be afraid to have some character development, and please don't have a character and cut that role to peices (Ie: Alicia in the first film), so what if that takes the movie over the 90 minute threshold this particular studio seems to love so much, the film will be better for it and won't have audiences wondering why/what/ the hell is going on.

5) and Lastly...Work on the Thing suit. A representation closer to the comics certainly is possible, put in some effort and give us it: The Thing should be something that blows audiences away, not has them thinking "ooh, that's a nice rubber suit".

As much as I agree with all that you've said.....

1. The Ultimate mags are selling better than others....the kids in those seats that happen to be fans as well....know that look....
2. Most of that audience has no idea who Kirby/Lee is, nor do they know what Thing looked like...
3. You might have heard normal movie goers saying that about Thing....I didn't hear anyone say that except on this board....
4. 90 minutes means more showtimes....and I don't see that changing...

I hate being crudely realistic....but them be the facts...

 

[wobbly]

As much as I agree with all that you've said.....

1. The Ultimate mags are selling better than others....the kids in those seats that happen to be fans as well....know that look....
2. Most of that audience has no idea who Kirby/Lee is, nor do they know what Thing looked like...
3. You might have heard normal movie goers saying that about Thing....I didn't hear anyone say that except on this board....
4. 90 minutes means more showtimes....and I don't see that changing...

I hate being crudely realistic....but them be the facts...

To be honest those sound less like facts as they do excuses...

1) I think many readers of the ultimate titles are also gonna be aware of how the originals looked: I dont personally know anyone reading the U/books that hasn't read the originals at some point too.

2) Audiences dont have to be familiar with Lee/Kirby, just as most cinema goers wont be familiar with the Ultimate versions either. Its just my personal opinion that the U/versions of the Galactus and Silver Surfer are awful by comparison.

3) I don't know of anyone who was blown away by the Thing suit in FF. No-one I know thought it was anything more than a good rubber suit, convincing enough to get by but completely lacking any 'wow' factor whatsoever (that was reserved for the Torch, who they nailed).

If Fox is happy with average then I guess they don't have to change a thing (pun intended).

4) Other studios have no issues with allowing films to go over that 90 minute threshold: they know if that makes for a better film then it's worth losing a showing per day. Fox's insistence on cutting films to fit shows two things to me: Lack of faith in their product and lack of respect for the audience.

 

[Kelly]

To be honest those sound less like facts as they do excuses...

1) I think many readers of the ultimate titles are also gonna be aware of how the originals looked: I dont personally know anyone reading the U/books that hasn't read the originals at some point too.

2) Audiences dont have to be familiar with Lee/Kirby, just as most cinema goers wont be familiar with the Ultimate versions either. Its just my personal opinion that the U/versions of the Galactus and Silver Surfer are awful by comparison.

3) I don't know of anyone who was blown away by the Thing suit in FF. No-one I know thought it was anything more than a good rubber suit, convincing enough to get by but completely lacking any 'wow' factor whatsoever (that was reserved for the Torch, who they nailed).

If Fox is happy with average then I guess they don't have to change a thing (pun intended).

4) Other studios have no issues with allowing films to go over that 90 minute threshold: they know if that makes for a better film then it's worth losing a showing per day. Fox's insistence on cutting films to fit shows two things to me: Lack of faith in their product and lack of respect for the audience.

I agree with what you said, why would I need to give excuses...and excuses for what????

1). The people I know reading the U books are fairly new readers to the F4...and very few of them have read the originals....(just because we know different people, doesn't make that an excuse....)

2). I agree with you, I was just making the point that the majority of the moviegoing audience knows very little, therefore Fox may not see that as needed....I think Tim Story does....AGAIN, how is that an excuse? and an excuse for what?

3). Again, we know different people, how is that an excuse....

4). You are correct, and again, not making an excuse for Fox, $$$$$ is not an excuse in my book....simply stating reality...

Our opinions are the same, the people we know are different, and saw and enjoyed different things about the movie......no excuses, simply I know very few comic-fans except those here.....the people I know enjoyed the hell out of the movie, even though I didn't....Fox I believe is determined to cater to those people....and UNFORTUNATELY .... in my estimation that may not include the comic fans, as much as they would like (and should) be included.....NOT an excuse....REALITY.....

 

[wobbly]

My apologies JMAfan, I can see now you were offering reasons rather than excuses, but after the dissapointment of the first film any form of justification Fox may employ for repeating that formula doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Hunter Rider]

4) Other studios have no issues with allowing films to go over that 90 minute threshold: they know if that makes for a better film then it's worth losing a showing per day. Fox's insistence on cutting films to fit shows two things to me: Lack of faith in their product and lack of respect for the audience.

This is the part that bothers me most,it has been proven countless times that a 2 hour+ runtime movie can still make lots of money
the extra runtime leads to an opportunity to let the characters breathe especially when there is 4 leads like in F4 plus it more times than not allows for better pacing and more depth as it gives time for the little scenes to really shine and not be rushed over

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Being an old-timer, I'm prejudiced toward Kirby/Lee. That's what I grew up with. Those stories are the reason I'm here and looking forward to this movie.

Because of that, I can't truly be objective.

The thing is, the Kirby/Lee story is a bona fide classic. We have no idea if people will remember the "ulitimate" version 40 years from now. The ultimates are based on Kirby/Lee, so if you're going to use anything for reference, it seems like you use the original - not the re-working of the original.

What if Peter Jackson had used the (1977?) King Kong as a reference instead of the original?

It's like whispering down the lane. Each step takes us farther from the original and the farther we get, the more we lose the intangible things that made those stories work after all these years.

 

[Kelly]

Being an old-timer, I'm prejudiced toward Kirby/Lee. That's what I grew up with. Those stories are the reason I'm here and looking forward to this movie.

Because of that, I can't truly be objective.

The thing is, the Kirby/Lee story is a bona fide classic. We have no idea if people will remember the "ulitimate" version 40 years from now. The ultimates are based on Kirby/Lee, so if you're going to use anything for reference, it seems like you use the original - not the re-working of the original.

What if Peter Jackson had used the (1977?) King Kong as a reference instead of the original?

It's like whispering down the lane. Each step takes us farther from the original and the farther we get, the more we lose the intangible things that made those stories work after all these years.

Some would say they would have loved King Kong if he had done that, others would not....as for me had he cut about 45 minutes of the bug and creepy crawler scenes I would have enjoyed it more....

We are all bringing different views to the table, and thats cool.....I just don't want people to think their view is wrong, or not valid because its not from the original as some know it.....to me the basic thing missing was the basis for this team.....relationship........thats truly my only problem with the movie....I wouldn't call it a failure by any means....BUT I would call it a failure to ME in regard to the lack of character building and relationship....the 2 things that Story is known for, yet I saw very little of.....IMHO.....

 

[Ulic Queldroma]

I have to agree that the title leaves much to be desired and gives away too much. Subtlety helps in most cases. I'm not terribly fond of FF2 but it makes more sense then a adding a fifth member to the title. However I am excited to see what you do with the surfer and Galctus in this pic. Doom should be Doom as well. Scrap the organic crap and make him the ominous, looming sorcerer/monarch he is and always should be. That's all.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would make suggestions for improvements, but it would take 3 days to list them.

 

[toddly6666]

The title FANTASTIC FOUR AND THE SILVER SURFER is an excellent title because:
1. Fantastic 4 2 is awkward
2. Fantastic 4 Returns/Last Stand/United/Reloaded are all stupid generic-type titles that are usually forgotten. I call the X-men sequels X-men 2 and X-men 3, not X-2:United or X-3 The Last Stand.
3. FANTASTIC FOUR AND THE SILVER SURFER is straight out of the comic team-ups and sounds good. When hollywood runs out of origin stories for superhero movies - they can just do team-ups. It will make money!!

 

[Kelly]

I would make suggestions for improvements, but it would take 3 days to list them.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Nice to see you too JMA.

 

[gambitfire]

IT SHOULD BE CALLED....*Drum Rolls*

FANTASTIC FOUR

enter the Silver Surfer.......

Question for Tim- ARE WE GOING TOO SEE SOME AWESOME DOOM TECHNOLOGY HELL EVEN A DOOM BOT OR 2?

 

[Kelly]

I went yesterday to buy and catch up on the comics I had missed....as I was reading the "Death in the family" one shot, I realized how one dimensional the movie characters were in the first movie....

Reed: One track mind...where was the kind, loving but reserved Reed? (oh yeah, in the planetarium scene that we in the US did not get...)
Sue: Griping about something...where was the loyalty shown? (oh yeah in the restaurant scene with Victor that was cut)
Ben: Tortured soul...Where was the smart mouthed Ben that doesn't let Johnny get away with anything...(oh yeah....hmmmm.....never found)
Johnny: Jack ass....(where was the brother that sacrifices himself for his sister?...hmm.....no where to be found)

These people have multiple layers....I want to see ALL OF THOSE LAYERS THIS TIME AROUND....


I see most of that problem with the writing....I think the team they have assembled have the ability to write a true to character story for these actors....

The actors have the capability of doing multi-layered people very well....but were not given the chance....GIVE THEM A CHANCE TIM....DO WHAT YOU DO BEST....PLEASE.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Tim, keep the fox execs as far away from this movie as you can, make the movie you want to make this time please.

And can you make this one over two hours long as well.

 

[antariksh]

Tim, keep the fox execs as far away from this movie as you can, make the movie you want to make this time please.

And can you make this one over two hours long as well.

ya atleast 2 hours if not more than that.

max running time- 2hr 30 min
min running time- 2hr

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

ya atleast 2 hours if not more than that.

max running time- 2hr 30 min
min running time- 2hr

Totally agree, 2 hrs 10 mins would be ideal.

 

[terry78]

Unfortunately, Tim does not have the pull of a Nolan or a Singer yet, so Fox is still calling the shots. The money the first one made should have gotten him that pull, but who knows what they're doing over there.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Unfortunately, Tim does not have the pull of a Nolan or a Singer yet, so Fox is still calling the shots. The money the first one made should have gotten him that pull, but who knows what they're doing over there.

True, on all accounts, i suppose we'll find out when the run-time is announced. God I HATE FOX.

 

[Mr. Credible]

The title FANTASTIC FOUR AND THE SILVER SURFER is an excellent title because:
1. Fantastic 4 2 is awkward
2. Fantastic 4 Returns/Last Stand/United/Reloaded are all stupid generic-type titles that are usually forgotten. I call the X-men sequels X-men 2 and X-men 3, not X-2:United or X-3 The Last Stand.
3. FANTASTIC FOUR AND THE SILVER SURFER is straight out of the comic team-ups and sounds good. When hollywood runs out of origin stories for superhero movies - they can just do team-ups. It will make money!!

agreed... i love the title. it sounds like an old 50's sci-fi movie, which is what i think of when i think 'fantastic four'

and could someone post pics of 'ultimate' silver surfer and galactus? i'd love to compare them to the classics.