The Amazing Spider-Man Quips, Wise-Cracking and Banter!

[PSYLENTGuardian]

I think once Spidey realizes that the Lizard is a really close mentor and not just some petty freak thug, then he cuts it with the quipping. Once he realizes the full extent of the situation, he goes from capturing this random monster man, to trying to save the man inside.

 

[Spiderman6592]

The Spectacular Spider-Man was intended for all ages, just as Batman: The Animated Series was.
I don't buy this argument that Spider-Man wisecracking wouldn't translate well to film, as if we have never seen a movie with a wisecracking hero.
I think that "it wouldn't translate to film well" is justified when it's true, but it's often used as a scapegoat for a lack of imagination or fidelity. If someone says they don't like x change from the source material, then I guarantee someone will respond, "x wouldn't translate to film".

C'mon dude. How many kids over the age of 18 watched SSM? I know I didn't, and I'd consider myself a huge fan of Spider-Man. Sure, anyone of any age can watch it and enjoy it, but it's intended for kids. Not adults. The same cannot be said for the movie. I don't want Spidey quipping throughout a huge and intense battle. It would take me out of it completely.

 

[VenomSpawn]

C'mon dude. How many kids over the age of 18 watched SSM? I know I didn't, and I'd consider myself a huge fan of Spider-Man. Sure, anyone of any age can watch it and enjoy it, but it's intended for kids. Not adults. The same cannot be said for the movie. I don't want Spidey quipping throughout a huge and intense battle. It would take me out of it completely.

...A lot of people on this forum are over 18, I'm sure.

 

[Godzilla2014]

C'mon dude. How many kids over the age of 18 watched SSM? I know I didn't, and I'd consider myself a huge fan of Spider-Man. Sure, anyone of any age can watch it and enjoy it, but it's intended for kids. Not adults. The same cannot be said for the movie. I don't want Spidey quipping throughout a huge and intense battle. It would take me out of it completely.

So you haven't even watched the show? Then how can you honestly evaluate whether its humor could translate to live-action or not?

 

[Spiderman6592]

So you haven't even watched the show? Then how can you honestly evaluate whether its humor could translate to live-action or not?

Because I saw the video someone posted 2 pages ago. And I've seen clips before. Not very hard.


And VenomSpawn...this is a superhero/comic forum...not a very accurate group to take into account.

Poll your facebook friends over the age of 16 and see how many of them have watched SSM. I'll bet it's well below 50% Then take the same group and see how many have seen SM1-3. I guarantee it's close to 100%.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Because I saw the video someone posted 2 pages ago. And I've seen clips before. Not very hard.


And VenomSpawn...this is a superhero/comic forum...not a very accurate group to take into account.

Poll your facebook friends over the age of 16 and see how many of them have watched SSM. I'll bet it's well below 50% Then take the same group and see how many have seen SM1-3. I guarantee it's close to 100%.

Game. Set. Match.

Implying I have any friends that don't like Spider-Man.

 

[Spiderman6592]

lol

 

[VenomSpawn]

Also implying I have many friends over age 16. I'm only 15 myself.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Well then, I'll speak for myself and say that I'm willing to bet less than 25% of my friends over the age of 16 have ever seen SSM. I'm also willing to bet that at least 95% of that same group of friends have seen all 3 Spider-Man films.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Well then, I'll speak for myself and say that I'm willing to bet less than 25% of my friends over the age of 16 have ever seen SSM. I'm also willing to bet that at least 95% of that same group of friends have seen all 3 Spider-Man films.

That's not really a fair argument. One is a film series, the other is a cartoon.

Obviously more people have seen the film series, it's a ****ing billion dollar film series.

By that argument, I could say that Batman: Arkham City is for kids, because more people have seen The Dark Knight than have played Arkham City.

 

[Spiderman6592]

It is fair though. People have much more direct access to television than to cinema. It's a billion dollar franchise because it appeals to a wider range of people than cartoons do. It's a billion dollar franchise because it's a character that everyone knows and loves adapted to a more modern, realistic and mature setting. Quipping during major battle sequences detracts from all of the things that make film adaptions so appealing.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Because I saw the video someone posted 2 pages ago. And I've seen clips before. Not very hard.


And VenomSpawn...this is a superhero/comic forum...not a very accurate group to take into account.

Poll your facebook friends over the age of 16 and see how many of them have watched SSM. I'll bet it's well below 50% Then take the same group and see how many have seen SM1-3. I guarantee it's close to 100%.

Game. Set. Match.

I'm not denying that The Spectacular Spider-Man was primarily watched by kids with few in other age groups watching it. Hell, even I didn't watch it when it was on TV. I saw it online and bought the Season 1 DVD. But the show has plenty of double entendres designed to go over kids' heads and is pretty easy to watch, even as a 19 year old.

Also, you really should watch at least one or more episodes in their entirety before you judge Spider-Man's wisecracks during major battles in the series.

 

[VenomSpawn]

It is fair though. People have much more direct access to television than to cinema. It's a billion dollar franchise because it appeals to a wider range of people than cartoons do. It's a billion dollar franchise because it's a character that everyone knows and loves adapted to a more modern, realistic and mature setting. Quipping during major battle sequences detracts from all of the things that make film adaptions so appealing.

Yes, I'm sure if the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon show appealed to a wider audience, it'd be much more popular than a billion dollar film series.

 

[Spiderman6592]

I'm not judging them. They work and go over excellently in a cartoon setting. They would not in a cinematic setting. I am by no means bashing Spidey's quips. I welcome them with open arms when the time is appropriate. During a battle against the main villain during which human lives are at stake is not an appropriate time for jokes. Again, it would detract from the gravity of the situation.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Yes, I'm sure if the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon show appealed to a wider audience, it'd be much more popular than a billion dollar film series.

We'd never know, because cartoons don't appeal to a wider audience which is my point to begin with.



And your argument is faulty because you don't have to pay every time you watch and episode of a cartoon show. C'mon now. You're grasping at straws.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Well, like you said, that cartoon was aimed at kids...so to lighten the mood in such a tense battle, they kind of have to over-do the humor a little.

I honestly think that the MTV animated series version of Spidey handled the quipping the best (for at least how I'd like to see it done in a movie). It wasn't over-done and it depended on who he was facing, etc.

After like, 2 initial quips in his first battle with the Lizard, he should srs up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqN_nCBLMf8&feature=related#t=6m48s

 

[VenomSpawn]

The point I'm trying to make, poorly, is that you're comparing billion dollar franchises to a cartoon. It's not a fair argument, because they're too different of things.

 

[Godzilla2014]

That's not really a fair argument. One is a film series, the other is a cartoon.

Obviously more people have seen the film series, it's a ****ing billion dollar film series.

By that argument, I could say that Batman: Arkham City is for kids, because more people have seen The Dark Knight than have played Arkham City.

Agreed.

Well then, I'll speak for myself and say that I'm willing to bet less than 25% of my friends over the age of 16 have ever seen SSM. I'm also willing to bet that at least 95% of that same group of friends have seen all 3 Spider-Man films.

You're not accounting for marketing bias.

It is fair though. People have much more direct access to television than to cinema. It's a billion dollar franchise because it appeals to a wider range of people than cartoons do. It's a billion dollar franchise because it's a character that everyone knows and loves adapted to a more modern, realistic and mature setting. Quipping during major battle sequences detracts from all of the things that make film adaptions so appealing.

It isn't all that fair, because cinema has much more pervasive marketing. In that hypothetical FaceBook poll, even the people who didn't see the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films will have heard of them. I would probably be the only one who has ever even heard of The Spectacular Spider-Man, and that was through fan communities like SuperHero Hype or Spider-Man Crawl Space. So the experiment is biased.

 

[Spiderman6592]

My point still stands though. Cartoons are made for younger kids, where humor is necessary to lighten the mood of serious situations. The same humor is not needed for PG-13 films. End of story. It would end up being hammy and corny. I love ham and corn on Thanksgiving, not in my movies.

 

[VenomSpawn]

edit, nevermind.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Yes, I'm sure if the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon show appealed to a wider audience, it'd be much more popular than a billion dollar film series.

Agreed.

We'd never know, because cartoons don't appeal to a wider audience which is my point to begin with.



And your argument is faulty because you don't have to pay every time you watch and episode of a cartoon show. C'mon now. You're grasping at straws.

And let's not forget that the Spider-Man films weren't put on a block of kids' programming, which tends to market itself to that demographic almost exclusively, regardless of the show's content.

The point I'm trying to make, poorly, is that you're comparing billion dollar franchises to a cartoon. It's not a fair argument, because they're too different of things.

Agreed. There are too many variables not accounted for in a simple poll of a random group of people.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Refer to my last post for why you are wrong.

 

[Godzilla2014]

My point still stands though. Cartoons are made for younger kids, where humor is necessary to lighten the mood of serious situations. The same humor is not needed for PG-13 films. End of story. It would end up being hammy and corny. I love ham and corn on Thanksgiving, not in my movies.

My point still stands, your experiment is fundamentally flawed, so thus the results are called into question. Was the writing of Batman: The Animated Series aimed at younger ages because the demographics for viewership would probably consist mostly of kids and Batman fans? The same applies to The Spectacular Spider-Man.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Refer to my last post for why you are wrong.

You fail to account for the self-selection bias, making your experiment fundamentally flawed. You fail to account for many critical variables, rendering your conclusion questionable at best.
Furthermore, though The Spectacular Spider-Man was marketed to younger kids by virtue of being on a kids programming block, it was written for all ages to enjoy.

 

[Godzilla2014]

If you wanted to make a valid experiment, you would have to isolate the variables that could effect the results. To account for the marketing bias, you would have to ask the poll respondents if they have heard of both the Raimi Trilogy and if they have heard of The Spectacular Spider-Man. You'd probably find that narrows down the sample for those who watched TSSM considerably.