Sequels Raimi Speaks.

[Eggyman]

Anyone think that maybe Raimi wouldn't be so eager to come back if Spidey 3 wasn't so hated? Maybe he wants to put the haters to bed

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Isn't it great how people started hating on the first two films just because they didn't care for Spider-Man 3?

Before Spidey 3, I got the impression that the fans unanimously agreed that Spider-Man 1 and 2 are not only fantastic comic book films, but also fantastic films, period. Since Spider-Man 3 was less than perfect, I've noticed that more and more people are disliking the first two films, which makes no sense to me. I mean, you all can like what you want to like, but I couldn't help but notice ...

In my opinion, Sam Raimi made two amazing films, and one good film. That's why I want him to return for at least one more movie.

I hate this attitude, too.

It's like the director is only as good as his/her last movie. Like they aren't humans who make mistakes.

Movies turn out badly for a lot of reasons. Raimi should have built up enough cred with the comicfan community.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Anyone think that maybe Raimi wouldn't be so eager to come back if Spidey 3 wasn't so hated? Maybe he wants to put the haters to bed

My brother and I were talking about this. SM3 made like 800 million dollars. Why come back?

 

[Eggyman]

My brother and I were talking about this. SM3 made like 800 million dollars. Why come back?

To prove that Spidey 3's bad rep was the exception and not the rule maybe?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

To prove that Spidey 3's bad rep was the exception and not the rule maybe?

To who?

Himself? He made two excellent, well-recieved films. No other comic director can say this. X-1 was a nice try, but most would say that Singer's X2 was the only great x-men film. TDK isn't out yet

To the GA?
800mill means a lot of people liked it.


To Comicfans?

They are the only people complaining, which makes it a little egocentric to need to please us to such an extent.

 

[Venom 1988]

Too true. I enjoyed Batman Begins as much as the next fan, but it certainly has cursed us all with that dreaded word.

Indeed, fanboys are so damn trigger happy with that word

 

[Eggyman]

To who?

Himself? He made two excellent, well-recieved films. No other comic director can say this. X-1 was a nice try, but most would say that Singer's X2 was the only great x-men film. TDK isn't out yet

To the GA?
800mill means a lot of people liked it.


To Comicfans?

They are the only people complaining, which makes it a little egocentric to need to please us to such an extent.

I don't know. I'm just making this up as I go along


In all honesty, I just had a flash of an idea that he didn't want to leave it hanging with the weakest instalment. Maybe himself, or maybe the fans that have slated it over the past year. I'm sure he'd want to finish on a high.

More than likely though, he just loves the character and the experience of doing these films.

 

[DACrowe]

new director and actors please.

raimi had his chance and he blew it with Spidey 3 - it could have been a perfect trilogy, but instead we got 2 1/2, much like x-men

"he blew his only chance" with SM3,k you say? You write you liked the first two movies...but think he is a bad choice and ****ed up because you didn't like one of his three efforts?

Never expect much logic in these arguments, but still.

 

[omid17]

To the GA?
800mill means a lot of people liked it.

only reason why was because SM1 and SM2 were awesome, but im sure at least 60 to 70% of the people didn't like at much as the first two, even my dad was pissed off lol

 

[FaT_tONle]

I hate this attitude, too.

It's like the director is only as good as his/her last movie. Like they aren't humans who make mistakes.

Movies turn out badly for a lot of reasons. Raimi should have built up enough cred with the comicfan community.

When you are in a multi-million dollar business this garbage never flies... boo hoo for Raimi... let's give him a pat on the back... no thanks. It's always what have you done for me lately... and you either get it done or you don't get it done. And Raimi didn't get it done... not even close... spread the blame and make the excuses... there is no excuse for that garbage IMO. WHen you work so hard to get to that point and then drag it right back down to the s***ters... it's gut wrenching as a die hard fan. But who cares what I think... I'm just a fan boy. Look does it mean Raimi is a failure as a film maker and will be for the rest of his career b/c SM3 sucked donkey balls... absolutely not... should he direct another SM movie again??? I think I'll pass. Unless the cast came back... then I wouldn't be opposed to it. Because then they'd at least try to finish what they started. Win together die togther mentality. That's the way they should roll with this.

 

[DACrowe]

^ I agree with the end sentiment but disagree that a director should be judged by how good or bad their latest film is (which is all subjective anyway) and not by their body of work. I liked SM3, but agree it is heavily flawed and not up to snuff with the others. However, I also look at Raimi's resume and most of the movies he has made are good (though few are great). That's a solid resume and to write the man off because you disliked SM3 and think he cannot do anymore is a bad argument IF you liked the first two.

Now if you want fresh blood and change with new ideas, again I can see where your coming from and at least partially agree. But the logic that Raimi can't do anymore because he sucks simply based on SM3 just doesn't gel.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by Immortalfire
Too true. I enjoyed Batman Begins as much as the next fan, but it certainly has cursed us all with that dreaded word.

I must agree with this. That word is used WAY too much.

 

[FaT_tONle]

^ I agree with the end sentiment but disagree that a director should be judged by how good or bad their latest film is (which is all subjective anyway) and not by their body of work. I liked SM3, but agree it is heavily flawed and not up to snuff with the others. However, I also look at Raimi's resume and most of the movies he has made are good (though few are great). That's a solid resume and to write the man off because you disliked SM3 and think he cannot do anymore is a bad argument IF you liked the first two.

Now if you want fresh blood and change with new ideas, again I can see where your coming from and at least partially agree. But the logic that Raimi can't do anymore because he sucks simply based on SM3 just doesn't gel.

And where am I getting that sentiment from? It's the typical mentality the best sports coaches have and preach to their players. I love competition and sports and I have the same outlook on life in general. Point is... you know how these teams that have had success before... but then that success wears thin and doesn't last. Your championship players from years past enter their twilight years. Your legendary coach will only leave after he retires since he has already done enough to never get fired for the rest of his career. Yet you live in the past... thinking there is still some magic left in your core group of players and coaches. Sometimes there is... sometimes there isn't. Most of the times they never rekindle that old magic... but what I hate the most are teams that are attached to those players. They keep up around longer than they should and your fan base starts to moan and groan about how particular players have over extended their welcome. If you are going to make a change... don't just make one simple change here and there. I think the time has come to give this thing a face lift and give it a complete overhaul. Rebuild from scratch. Of course you can go the other way and tell me "You don't rebuild an 800 million dollar plus franchise"... and I am not going to argue against that thinking one bit... because it makes a heck of a lot more sense than everything I have said up until this point. I am just at the point where if I am the GM... I am in rebuilding mode.

 

[Golgo-13]

Holy hell, you have no idea what you're talking about.

So you wanted the movies to constantly reuse the same villain, using amnesia (a plot device that people *****ed about in SM3) on a regular basis as a means of justifying Norman constantly changing from good guy to bad guy?

Jeez, talk about a total lack of creativity.

All i'm saying is they shouldn't have killed him off in the first movie. They could have had him around in SM2 as a background character (as Norman) with inkling's of the 'GG' in him starting to surface. Sure that would have eliminated Harry's journey to the dark-side, but that also, could have been done better.

What really sealed the deal with me was Raimi's ridiculous notion that ALL of Spidey's villans have to have some connection to Peter. As if the millions of ppl in NY all have something in common, other than the fact that they all living in NY. When he made Sandman Uncle Ben's killer, that really did it for me. He ****ed with a perfectly well rounded story arc, that had Spidey catching Uncle Ben's killer in SM1. But then he had to go and mess with it. If something aint' broke, don't fix it. Ppl were mad that he gave in to the studio by putting Venom in the movie, when in fact they should be even more mad at him by screwing with the Uncle Ben aspect of the story. The Venom inclusion was because of studio pressure, but making Sandman Ben's killer, and a frickin' wimp, was all Raimi.

Shame on him.

 

[spida-man]

What if the film fails though? We're better off with Sam, IMO.

agreed
Spidey is in no freakin' need of a reboot. just because SM3 supposedly wasn't that good of a film doesn't mean a future movie can't do better.
ppl need to stop complaining and get over it.

 

[jrd550]

"he blew his only chance" with SM3,k you say? You write you liked the first two movies...but think he is a bad choice and ****ed up because you didn't like one of his three efforts?

Never expect much logic in these arguments, but still.

I did like the first two, very much, but a director has to earn his job from film to film, and unfortunately spider-man 3 does not warrant a repeat performance from Raimi.

 

[RonStoppablefan]

Hmm I don't know what to think. I'd like a new cast but if Tobey and the director come back great I was fine with them. For the love of mike, please get rid of Kirstin, she ruines the films for me.

 

[Blader5489]

All i'm saying is they shouldn't have killed him off in the first movie. They could have had him around in SM2 as a background character (as Norman) with inkling's of the 'GG' in him starting to surface. Sure that would have eliminated Harry's journey to the dark-side, but that also, could have been done better.

Just so we're clear: you want to axe the most compelling subplot of the entire trilogy in favor of using the same bad guy over and over again through the use of a cheap plot device that people already complained about in SM3?

When he made Sandman Uncle Ben's killer, that really did it for me. He ****ed with a perfectly well rounded story arc, that had Spidey catching Uncle Ben's killer in SM1. But then he had to go and mess with it. If something aint' broke, don't fix it.

It amazes me how so few people see that the retconned murder, no matter how contrived it may be (despite the fact that this series is full of plot contrivances), actually brings the Spider-Man story full circle. The movie grants Peter Parker something the comics can never give him: closure.

Shame on him.

Oh please, don't be such a drama queen.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

agreed
Spidey is in no freakin' need of a reboot. just because SM3 supposedly wasn't that good of a film doesn't mean a future movie can't do better.
ppl need to stop complaining and get over it.

Yeah, and people thinking S-M3 was bad is just an opinion. Just like how I think Spider-Man 3 was amazing is just an opinion. I also think that a reboot is a horrible idea for a Spidey film. I really don't know what the big thing is with a reboot. Just because a certain amount of people didn't like Spidey3? That's not a good reason at all.

 

[omid17]

Yeah, and people thinking S-M3 was bad is just an opinion. Just like how I think Spider-Man 3 was amazing is just an opinion. I also think that a reboot is a horrible idea for a Spidey film. I really don't know what the big thing is with a reboot. Just because a certain amount of people didn't like Spidey3? That's not a good reason at all.

just ignore those people, they're just wasting their time thinking about that. There's no way they'll have a reboot, especially after all that money all three films made

 

[Web-Head408]

just ignore those people, they're just wasting their time thinking about that. There's no way they'll have a reboot, especially after all that money all three films made

Most people see what they want to see. Not what's the most likely.

 

[Grievous]

well when you think about it, the ending to SM3 does not really feel like a good ending to a movie series. I think we should get another.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

well when you think about it, the ending to SM3 does not really feel like a good ending to a movie series. I think we should get another.

The ending was meant for the story to be left open. Sam said it himself and I can completely understand why.

 

[omid17]

well when you think about it, the ending to SM3 does not really feel like a good ending to a movie series. I think we should get another.

obviously it's not since Sony already said it's going have 4,5, and 6

 

[xxBlackCatxx]

Yeah, and people thinking S-M3 was bad is just an opinion. Just like how I think Spider-Man 3 was amazing is just an opinion. I also think that a reboot is a horrible idea for a Spidey film. I really don't know what the big thing is with a reboot. Just because a certain amount of people didn't like Spidey3? That's not a good reason at all.

Spider-man 3 was amazing but that's just my opinion too t:
Tobey and all the cast should come back, no reboot!!