World Raimi vs Webb Comparison Thread

[UltimateWebhead]

I think Raimi was at the cusp of greatness until he was dealt the wrong cards. But I'll make a genuine comparison at the end of TASM3, since that will be Webb's last Spidey film.

I had almost no complaints with TASM1 but still enjoyed TASM2 more despite the few complaints I had, oddly enough. At the same time, however, I think TASM3 will be make or break for Webb, and that's the reason I believe he will (or he should, at least) give his best shot for that film.

IMO, ASM2 was the make or break film for this franchise. ASM3 has the ability to right some wrongs and at least attempt to get things back on track. I'd love for the movie to be a solid hit from top to bottom, I just have very little faith at the moment.

 

[W/ Great Power]

IMO, ASM2 was the make or break film for this franchise. ASM3 has the ability to right some wrongs and at least attempt to get things back on track. I'd love for the movie to be a solid hit from top to bottom, I just have very little faith at the moment.

It's debatable, and I certainly see what you're saying, but I think right now they're falling back on the universe expansion cushion.

There's still a portion of fans who are willing to at least see what they do with S6, eventually leading into TASM3. But then again, in that case you could even make the argument that S6 is a make or break film.

Generally speaking, maybe one film in its entirety is the make or break factor for their Spidey tenure.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I agree that S6 is the make or break film of this franchise. If S6 bombs, I don't think there is any salvaging it, at least not anytime soon. The audience will have vanished.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Not really because there is stil an audience for actual character spider-man, the sinister 6 while spider-man related will very likely be something else

Infact isn't that is what is confusing a lot of people on here? How can you have the sinister 6 without spider-man?

 

[Johnny-Oh]

S6 is too weird of a concept, even harder than Avengers. I don't think they can get someone talented enough that can turn that into a compelling movie specially because all the villains so far are written horribly.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Remember to use THIS thread for Raimi vs Webb discussion.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Im surprised this thread isn't that popular, most Spidey related threads turn into this kind of discussion.

 

[Doc Ock]

Im surprised this thread isn't that popular, most Spidey related threads turn into this kind of discussion.

Was thinking the same thing hehe.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I'll take Raimi over Webb ANY damn day... Spidey under Raimi is a whole lot enjoyable than Webb's s**t in what he's done with his shot at the franchise... dump Webb... and while you're at it, dump Garfield, as well, and start over... he's about as interesting as a baked potato...

 

[W/ Great Power]

I'll take Raimi over Webb ANY damn day... Spidey under Raimi is a whole lot enjoyable than Webb's s**t in what he's done with his shot at the franchise... dump Webb... and while you're at it, dump Garfield, as well, and start over... he's about as interesting as a baked potato...

Some people find baked potatoes very interesting.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Some people find baked potatoes very interesting.

and they usually end up MASHED...

 

[Puny Parker]

I'll take Raimi over Webb ANY damn day... Spidey under Raimi is a whole lot enjoyable than Webb's s**t in what he's done with his shot at the franchise... dump Webb... and while you're at it, dump Garfield, as well, and start over... he's about as interesting as a baked potato...

If you're going to go all duh, Raimi over Webb... don't forget to list your opinions, because the purpose of this thread is to debate and write down stuff to support your conclusion. If you don't make it clear why you're going with Raimi, and don't explain why you don't like Garfield and why you don't think he's interesting... then I'm not sure what you're saying is feasible

 

[Doctor Octopus]

If you're going to go all duh, Raimi over Webb... don't forget to list your opinions, because the purpose of this thread is to debate and write down stuff to support your conclusion. If you don't make it clear why you're going with Raimi, and don't explain why you don't like Garfield and why you don't think he's interesting... then I'm not sure what you're saying is feasible

You mean like this: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=29878653&postcount=570

lol nobody is obligated to explain their opinion and that doesn't make them invalid. People say they love something or hate something here all the time without going into details why.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Toby was able to mask his voice, that is one of the things that separate Toby from Andrew.

 

[Puny Parker]

You mean like this: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=29878653&postcount=570

lol nobody is obligated to explain their opinion and that doesn't make them invalid. People say they love something or hate something here all the time without going into details why.

This is because the thread I posted on wasn't a debate thread at all - If I'm on a First Class vs. DOFP thread, I wouldn't drop in and post First Class da bes and walk right out - maybe what I said was for a lack of better worlds, and although it mightn't render your opinion invalid if you don't go into detail, it doesn't solidify it either.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Raimi vs Webb. Pros.

Raimi:

• Great costume since the start.
• Great memorable action scenes.
• Norman Osborn as the Green Goblin.
• Sandman's effects are amazing.
• Great Ant May.
• Peter does not forget his Uncle, and finds the killer in the same day (yes he did. YES. HE. DID. Know what? f*** it).
• James Franco's Harry Osborn arc (no stupid disease).
• Unforgettable final swing scenes.
• Great villains. That does include Venom.
• Toby was able to mask his voice along with his face.
• Elfman's main theme, and soundtrack.
• Christopher Young's score for Spider-Man 3.
• Bruce Campbell.
• J.K Simmons as Jolly Jonah Jameson.
• Daily Bugle.
• Origin inspired the Spectacular Spider-Man animated a little.

Webb:

• Second movie has the best Spider-Man costume on live action, if anything is moved to a next reboot, it should be the costume only.
• Gwen Stacy is a good love interest.
• Not the "second movie the gf becomes a b****" plot used in other superhero film franchises. Gwen stays good.
• Great movements as Spidey.
• Spidey moments with some civilians.
• Ultimate Spider-Man inspiration (to me it is, I wanted to see Ultimate Spider-Man movie).
• James Horner's score for the first film in the series.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

This is because the thread I posted on wasn't a debate thread at all - If I'm on a First Class vs. DOFP thread, I wouldn't drop in and post First Class da bes and walk right out - maybe what I said was for a lack of better worlds, and although it mightn't render your opinion invalid if you don't go into detail, it doesn't solidify it either.

I see, so unless it's a debate thread we can post one line responses as opinions and expect them to be taken as valid, but it's wrong to do so in a comparison thread. I don't believe that and nobody else does because people post like that all the time in all kinds of threads and nobody criticizes them for it.

I think you're just annoyed by that poster's response because you're pro TASM movies and so you tried to put down his opinion just because it was so pro Raimi and anti Webb.

 

[C. Lee]

Sounds like it is time to debate Raimi Vs Webb instead of where when or how to debate debating.

 

[Puny Parker]

I see, so unless it's a debate thread we can post one line responses as opinions and expect them to be taken as valid, but it's wrong to do so in a comparison thread. I don't believe that and nobody else does because people post like that all the time in all kinds of threads and nobody criticizes them for it.

I think you're just annoyed by that poster's response because you're pro TASM movies and so you tried to put down his opinion just because it was so pro Raimi and anti Webb.

Um... ASM2 was the worst Spidey movie, so I wouldn't be attacking someone because they're anti-ASM films, considering I didn't think ASM2 was good, actually.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

You should drop it, Puny.

The warning was given.

 

[spiderral]

Toby was able to mask his voice, that is one of the things that separate Toby from Andrew.

They both had pretty much the same voice behind the mask. Tobey may have only really masked his voice by not talking very little as Spider-Man.

Is that really a valid reason for saying why you prefer one actor's portrayal of the character over the other btw? "Christian Bale masked his voice at Batman but Michael Keaton didn't."

 

[Spider-Aziz]

They both had pretty much the same voice behind the mask. Tobey may have only really masked his voice by not talking very little as Spider-Man.

Is that really a valid reason for saying why you prefer one actor's portrayal of the character over the other btw? "Christian Bale masked his voice at Batman but Michael Keaton didn't."

I didn't say I prefer one actor to the other, I said one thing I like in the older guy more than the new guy.


And he did it in a good way, not gargling marbles.

 

[Dragon]

The challenge for me is that I've really enjoyed the Raimi films, but I had no problem with a reboot in theory. I like Garfield and know he could make an excellent Spidey (as could Tobey) but Webb was simply the wrong director for these films, and whoever wrote the scripts was not equipped to handle the franchise. The first film was clearly rushed. But the second showed they were inept.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

I think Marc Webb is a terrible director, he always gets a pass and instead people blame Sony but I think he's equally guilty of the poor quality of both TASM films. He's the reason why there is nothing memorable about the new franchise, he's like a Brett Ratner to be honest.

Raimi created an identity for his Spider-Man trilogy, almost everything about those movies is memorable(which is why there are countless memes). Even Spider-Man 3 despite Sony's changes, still felt like a Raimi movie.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I think Marc Webb is a terrible director, he always gets a pass and instead people blame Sony but I think he's equally guilty of the poor quality of both TASM films. He's the reason why there is nothing memorable about the new franchise, he's like a Brett Ratner to be honest.

I'm thankful for Sony's intervention, if Marc had his way the movies would've been worse.

Raimi did not have that issue.