Rasslin'

[Lobo]

Thanks for the sig HR

 

[kane9321]

my victoria .....on smackdown...wha?

I guess thats good...right?

 

[Carp Man]

I'd stick Steph every day of the week, twice on Saturday, and twice on Sunday. t: In a country second. Did she look hot on Raw. I see she hasn't loss all the weight from having the baby yet. Even better.

 

[Carp Man]

Just to show you how sick and twisted Vince is I read where Steph, nixed a plan where Vince would admit being the father of her child. Then he susgested Shane, and she nixed that also. How low will Vice go ? Pretty low. Stooping to an incest storyline for ratings. That's why Michaels kept hinting about who was the father of Stephs baby when DX got back togeather.

 

[Carp Man]

Since Vince has so many "enemies" it could be anyone. That will be the most intersting aspect of this whole thing. Who they have picked ?

 

[TheVileOne]

My guess is Vince faked his own death.

Judging from history of WWE and his character it makes me the most sense. Let's not agonize over the suspects of this storyline. Remember the higher power angle? It was Vince.

And this time once again, it's still Vince.

 

[DOG LIPS]

It has to be Vince. If anyone else did it they'd have to explain how he got out of the limo fast enough. He'll come back all crazy and say he faked his death for some dumbass reason. Personally, I think they should have his funeral live on RAW, and he jumps out of the coffin.

 

[Lobo]

They're going to tie it in to the jack ass angle

 

[ToddIsDead]

They're going to tie it in to the jack ass angle

Oh god no. Unfortunately, I could really see that happening.

 

[Hunter Rider]

There was some good matches on RAW last night,WGTT/Londrick,Hardy/Davari and the women's tag were all fun,Melina's new finish is awesome and she does it better than Sydal

Foley/Umaga has me wanting a full on hardcore falls count anywhere match at Summerslam and the tag match that finished the show was great,loved Orton hitting Lashley out of nowhere with the RKO for the clean win.

The Vince angle is already dragging,it needs a drop of humour,Steph looked fabu but her promo was boring..........the angle will probably last until the Survivor Series to coincide with the decade anniversary of the Montreal screwjob.

Benoit and Cor Von will win tonight's matches setting up their match at Vengeance which makes sense although a 4 way would have been better

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Raw last night was very horrible in my opinion. Boring matches, too much talking, and the Vince storyline is living proof that no matter what stupid story Vince creates the fans will eat it up and not voice disdain about it.

The opening promo gets 10-11 minutes, yet Londrick and WGTT get a five minute match? Stupid.

Hardy/Davari could've been better with more time and less involvement of Cade/Murdock.

I knew Foley and Crapmaga would be a sqaush match.

Overall a very bad Raw episode.

 

[The Sage]

Hardy/Davari was good. WGTT/Londrick was good, but short. Plus it felt like a waste of the WGTT. They could've given them at least 15 minutes.

Melina's finisher rules.

And I'm sick and disgused of the McMahon angle.

Wade Keller said it best here:

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_20573.shtml

A lot of people keep emailing me and posting in the Forum that people shouldn't be outraged, offended, or bothered by the Vince McMahon death storyline because deaths are written into a lot of scripted, fictional entertainment programs.

The problem people have with the storyline isn't that Vince McMahon scripted his own death. Not at all. Again, zero. Zippo. That is not what people are outraged about. Nobody is offended by a death storyline in wrestling. It might be a bad idea because it goes further than typical "suspension of disbelief" allows - and "suspension of disbelief" is a big part of what turns an ordinary wrestling angle or match into a "money match." But it's not in and of itself offensive at all.

What's offensive is that to get the Mr. McMahon Death storyline over, script-breaking, character-breaking shows dedicated to Owen Hart and Eddie Guerrero after they died are being reenacted, emulated, exploited. That is what is wrong. It's beyond insensitive. It's shameful.

Those shows dedicated to Owen and Eddie, and all ten-bell salutes for that matter, are sacred. Or should be. Those genuine moments of announcers looking solemnly at the camera, as if to communicate to fans that this is "different," we're not in storyline mode, are sacred, not to be exploited for ratings. Those genuine ten-bell salutes or the gathering of wrestlers - heels and faces - breaking character and hanging their heads in tribute to a fallen commrade are not to be exploited for ratings. It's just wrong.

If there is no way to pull off a murder storyline in a "believable" serious fashion without exploiting those situations, then just don't do the storyline. There's a reason death hasn't been written in wrestling storylines over the years in any major top programs - because it just can't be pulled off effectively, at least not without insulting the viewers or offending those who really have died.

Asking Vickie Guerrero to stand on the stage with the wrestlers in the same manner and posture for a moment of silence as happened after her husband died is sick. It's wrong. It's inhumane. It lacks basic human decency.

Now ten-bell salutes don't mean a thing because it's been cashed out for a storyline. Nor do wrestlers breaking character and standing on a stage together hanging their heads.

They could have camped up the McMahon Murder Mystery and avoided those scenes. Or they could done a totally straight-faced "Missing Persons Investigation" and accomplished the same thing (at least as it's played out so far) with wrestlers cutting promos, as Mr. Kennedy did, saying, "If they never find Mr. McMahon, or if he never returns, I want to say I dedicate my career to him." Steph could have given the same promo, but instead of mourning the death of her father, she could have been concerned for his safety and worried about where he is and whether he ran off confused and disoriented or if he was kidnapped by someone with evil intentions.

The option they chose, though, is obviously and undeniably not just in "bad taste," but offensive and indecent. Exploiting the emotions generated from the tributes to real wrestler deaths is beyond justification. It's sick. It's sad. It's unjustifiable. What makes it even more sad is how unnecessary it is, too.

 

[Carp Man]

Raw last night was very horrible in my opinion. Boring matches, too much talking, and the Vince storyline is living proof that no matter what stupid story Vince creates the fans will eat it up and not voice disdain about it.

The opening promo gets 10-11 minutes, yet Londrick and WGTT get a five minute match? Stupid.

Hardy/Davari could've been better with more time and less involvement of Cade/Murdock.

I knew Foley and Crapmaga would be a sqaush match.

Overall a very bad Raw episode.

Back when I was a kid, you got in 1 hour, 50 minutes of wrestling, and 10 minutes of talk and commericals. I remember when Vince did the interviews for his dad. Today a 2 hour show, you get mabey half an hour of wrestling, ( and thats stretching it ), and an hour and a half of promo, commericals, interviews, showing off the girls, ect, ect. Hogan was the beginning of the real downfall of wrestling. When it ceased to be wrestling, and began turning into entertainment. Hogan, Ventura, and on, and on, and on. Showmen. Hogan couldn't wrestle to save his life. He dragged that leg drop out for 2 decades.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I agree with the Keller post Sage,i am not one to wave my arms and rant about movies,wrestling etc but the line between the fiction and reality is being unduly crossed here,the death angle should have been done as black comedy id they were gonna do it not as a mock version of real tagic tribute shows.

 

[Carp Man]

Hulkamania. t: WHAT CH GONNA DO WHEN THE 24 INCH PYTHONS WRAP THEIR WAY AROUND YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU.

 

[The Sage]

I agree with the Keller post Sage,i am not one to wave my arms and rant about movies,wrestling etc but the line between the fiction and reality is being unduly crossed here,the death angle should have been done as black comedy id they were gonna do it not as a mock version of real tagic tribute shows.

I agree.

I loved Eddie's tribute shows, not really because there were good matches, but because the emotion was real, the sentiment was real. Like the 9/11 show and Owen Hart tribute before it. It always felt like Vince was going out of his way to do those shows to pay respect. Now with this angle, it's gonna look like these tribute shows are nothing but just another way of making cash to him.

Speaking of which, Eddie would've been 40 this year.

 

[Carp Man]

 

[Lobo]

Keller hit the nail on the head

 

[Hunter Rider]

I agree.

I loved Eddie's tribute shows, not really because there were good matches, but because the emotion was real, the sentiment was real. Like the 9/11 show and Owen Hart tribute before it. It always felt like Vince was going out of his way to do those shows to pay respect. Now with this angle, it's gonna look like these tribute shows are nothing but just another way of making cash to him.

Speaking of which, Eddie would've been 40 this year.

The really sad thing is it will now have some ppl wondering how sincere the wrestlers and WWE were in those tribute shows

 

[TheVileOne]

Here's the thing though. This angle/storyline was done to increase ratings . . . and so far it's done that.

Even the controversy, that's exactly what WWE wants.

Just as a reminder, whenever in the last 10 years a line that should not be crossed exists WWE has crossed it. They don't care about being tasteful or appropriate.

Not saying I like it. Because outside of the shock value of that one moment, the angle has been crap and stupid and treated the fans like idiots.

And in case anyone's forgotten in 1999, WWE used the 10 bell salute on the fake death of the big show's dead in the big show/bossman storyline.

 

[The Sage]

I don't remember that. I do remember the fake funeral scene they shot. And still that doesn't matter. They didn't break out a tribute show for Big Show's father.

I wonder if ratings will continue to rise once they find out Vince isn't really dead.

 

[TheVileOne]

It happened. They did a 10 bell salute in honor of Big Show's father who "died." I think Bossman might've interrupted it though.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

It happened. They did a 10 bell salute in honor of Big Show's father who "died." I think Bossman might've interrupted it though.

They the bossman then break a watch the big shows dad gave to him and then hit him in the head with the hammer then?

 

[Assassin]

My guess is Vince faked his own death.

Judging from history of WWE and his character it makes me the most sense. Let's not agonize over the suspects of this storyline. Remember the higher power angle? It was Vince.

And this time once again, it's still Vince.

I said that last week

 

[Kid Wicked]

That counter by Burke was awesome.