The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Rate the NEW ASM2 costume!!! - Part 1

[Boy Scout]

I fail to see how this is being defensive.

I fail to see why my comment elicited such a sarcastic response. However, I admit that I might have misinterpreted your tone. Either way, I don't want this to turn into a hostile conversation. You seem to be a knowledgeable and passionate Spider-Man fan and I definitely respect that.

You think changing the textures is going to make more of a difference then changing the pattern of red or the eyes?

Yes. Compare the Raimi and ASM suits. The former looks like it's made of spandex and the latter looks to be made of a thicker, more durable material. In reality, they were probably made of a similar material. Texture can go a long way in determining how a suit will look on screen.

And I don't see how they could make the webbing to where it wasn't raised and not look completely boring or too thick.

Doesn't mean it can't be done.

 

[Spider-Who?]

It's cinematic costume design 101: you need depth. Having your main character wearing a skin tight suit with no depth whatsoever would be visual suicide. we get away with it in the comics because it's 2d static drawings and you can compensate with exaggerated muscle typography. It's a whole different animal when you bring it to live action. Raised webbing (in one fashion or another) is needed.

 

[Boy Scout]

The webbing on the ASM suit didn't look raised to me. Even if it was, they could've (maybe even should've) stuck with what they had instead of raising it even further to have it more closely resemble the Raimi suit.

 

[VenomSpawn]

The webbing on the ASM suit was raised. They didn't raise it any further on this suit, it just appears that way because they got rid of the textures that surrounded the webs.

 

[Boy Scout]

Making it more closely resemble the Raimi suit. Like I said: texture can go a long way.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

This is really strange. The suit in ASM was about the one thing i didn't like about that movie. But the colors and texture were good. And now they're going all the way back to duplicate Raimi's suit? I guess that's how Hollywood works: if a Batman movie is too dark, let's make it kid-friendly all the way, if the first Hulk is slow, the second one is rushy. No gray areas.

 

[Anno_Domini]

^ The suit in TAS-M was one of only three things I liked about the film, lol.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

^ The suit in TAS-M was one of only three things I liked about the film, lol.

What were the other two?

 

[Anno_Domini]

The casting and the Spider-Man/Lizard fight at the high school.

 

[DarthVapor]

I dont mind the design change as far as the eyes and the more traditional web shapes, but I HATE the texture and fabric they used. IMO it looks just like that 70's Spiderman movie costume. I would rather they gone with this design but used the same basketball texture from TASM...

 

[chaseter]

The basketball texture was what made the ASM suit partially horrendous.

 

[Verbal21]

The basketball texture was what made the ASM suit partially horrendous.

In candid pics, yes. But with "movie magic" and just how it looked during the film, I thought it was great.

 

[DarthVapor]

The basketball texture was what made the ASM suit partially horrendous.

I thought that too at first when I saw the set pics from TASM. Also the fact that it was such a departure from the Raimi suits. But that texture really grew on me and now I am sad that we wont be getting it in the 2nd movie. Like I said, I dont mind the design changes... I just think the fabric/texture looks like a poorly made fan suit.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I dont mind the design change as far as the eyes and the more traditional web shapes, but I HATE the texture and fabric they used. IMO it looks just like that 70's Spiderman movie costume. I would rather they gone with this design but used the same basketball texture from TASM...

Me too, the previous texture was what made it different. Now, if I';m not mistaken, they went right back to the bricks pattern. After all they had done to differentiate this new version from the previous.

 

[NolanDCU]

The ASM was brilliant. I loved the texture, loved the gold eyes, loved the sneaker / boot combination, the new spider logo and how it merged with the rest of the costume sans the belt was awesome.

I don't understand why they dropped one of the distinguishing differences visually between the reboot and the Raimi films.

This costume looks like a regression. A derivative of the Raimi films, literally being the exact design from the SM2 costume, only with bigger more cartoonish sized eye lenses.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Lets say its overall a more accurate costume and that ASM was a "hero in training" type costume. Perhaps the rubberized spandex material he used in the first film got way too hot inside and so when the Lizard thrashed it, he decided to just make a more lightweight fabric costume.

 

[spidey-dude]

The ASM was brilliant. I loved the texture, loved the gold eyes, loved the sneaker / boot combination, the new spider logo and how it merged with the rest of the costume sans the belt was awesome.

I don't understand why they dropped one of the distinguishing differences visually between the reboot and the Raimi films.

This costume looks like a regression. A derivative of the Raimi films, literally being the exact design from the SM2 costume, only with bigger more cartoonish sized eye lenses.

agree (except for the gold eyes) this new layout (with the same glove and boot design as last time) with last times textures would have been perfect

 

[Senator Pleasury]

What I never could bear about the ASM suit was the... lines. Because they're not spider-webs.

 

[NolanDCU]

Lets say its overall a more accurate costume and that ASM

Absolutely, that much is obvious and I can totally agree.

However, I don't always think "accurate" as it comes from hardcore fans resistant to any kind of change is really applicable for material that constantly sees nuanced changes in the aesthetics to characters.

As long as the core essence of a character's look is there (Superman's red / blue color scheme, red cape, S on chest ... Batman's black or black/grey color scheme, cape, cowl, and bat on chest ... Spider-Man red / blue color scheme, bug eye lenses, spider on chest, webbing detail on suit)

then really the rest should be open to interpretation. Because it is that way in the source material as well, from artist to artist, generation to generation, era to era. As long as the essence is accurate (which the ASM was) then you're golden. It's fresh and faithful. I felt the ASM suit was very exciting, and very contemporary. It worked visually, and also was a tool to separate the reboot franchise from Raimi's visually. That's a key part in marketing the new franchise.

it was a "hero in training" type costume. Perhaps the rubberized spandex material he used in the first film got way too hot inside and so when the Lizard thrashed it, he decided to just make a more lightweight fabric costume.

I would actually be more accepting of this explanation and the suit itself if it's actually given to us in the story of Amazing Spider-Man 2.

One of the best things Nolan did with Batman and his armor in between BEGINS and TDK was show a progression of it getting beat up, and then after the first act of the movie gave a plausible reason for a re-designed suit.

It wasn't like the sequel started and all of a sudden he had a different costume. I hate when they do that in all previous superhero movies. The change in look IMO should be explained or given reason.

I don't hate the new look for ASM 2, I just think it's confusing as a reboot franchise that they are literally using the EXACT same costume from Raimi's Spider-Man 2. Only difference is the wider, more bug like white eyes (which I like) ... and smaller raised black webbing as opposed to thicker raised silver webbing as was on the Raimi costume.

And I'm torn. On one end I really like the ASM suit, on the other this one is a little more "classic" (better word than accurate) ... I like the fact that unlike Raimi they won't be using a muscle suit beneath. Which made me never believe it was McGuire in the suit, and I'm more inclined to like Spidey's physique to be believable ... wiry strong and athletic as opposed to enhanced musculature.

We'll see how it looks on screen. I also didn't get the hate for the ASM boots (they actually looked applicable and durable, and not like elf boots or socks the way the more streamlined costumes do) ... or the texture of the suit, which looked believable in that he bought some Nike dri fit or Under Armor athletic clothes and turned it into a costume. I liked that idea, and I think the look of it really popped on screen.

agree (except for the gold eyes) this new layout (with the same glove and boot design as last time) with last times textures would have been perfect

TOTALLT agreed. That would've been a much better mending of the concepts of the costume, without looking like a direct derivative and copy of Raimi's SM 2 and SM 3 suit. I liked the gold eyes, but I like the bigger more bug like white eyes from this movie even better. It would keep the unique aspects of the ASM suit, while streamlining and making it feel more "classic"

 

[A&W]

I hate the wrinkles hopefully thwy are fixed in post production, otherwise it will look like cheap pajamas. in some pics it's perfect. in others it looks horrible.

 

[Enriquespy]

I like wrinkles. To an extent.

 

[A&W]

Well I guess that's just great for you then. Mind providing an example of what you would consider a good enough difference then?

Literally that whole paragraph was explaining how the slender look is based off the design. The suit isn't slender just because Andrew is skinny, it's slender from the choices that they decided to give it. AKA Thinner area of red on chest, thinner red on arms, rounded head, lower belt, all the things I mentioned in the following paragraph.


And I would have to disagree, because they completely change the design of the suit from being a bulky built Spider-Man to a thinner sleek Spider-Man. You don't have to make drastic changes for it to be unique, especially when it isn't necessary.

All I did in this image was simply lower the belt a bit and Tobey's suit already looks taller and thinner. You can compare Garfield and Tobey's physique side by side, they are very similar build-wise. The only reason Webb's Spider-Man looks thinner is because they purposefully designed it that way.

Yep.

in sp3 tobey was fat. thus the love handles in the picture

 

[A&W]

I like wrinkles. To an extent.

looks like something drawn by alex ross. what next? sweatspots?

 

[Nathan]

I hate the wrinkles hopefully thwy are fixed in post production, otherwise it will look like cheap pajamas. in some pics it's perfect. in others it looks horrible.

I like wrinkles. To an extent.

I don't dislike the wrinkles. He looks like he's actually wearing a suit and not a second skin.

 

[Illustrious Var]

in sp3 tobey was fat. thus the love handles in the picture

Well that picture is from Spider-Man 1, so yeah.
Also theres a difference between out of shape and fat, not that I ever denied he wasn't fat or out of shape in SM3 anyway.

looks like something drawn by alex ross. what next? sweatspots?

This must be a very subjective thing because I see nothing wrong with looking like an Alex Ross drawing.

I hate the wrinkles hopefully thwy are fixed in post production, otherwise it will look like cheap pajamas. in some pics it's perfect. in others it looks horrible.

What wrinkles are you talking about? The ones wear his arms are bending or the ones from the stunt suit, because those are different suits for different purposes and if you are referring to the stunt suit then you'll probably never actually see them on screen.