Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 2

[007]

A more mature realistic superman is absolitlry needed, otherwise he's just a ridiculous cornball character.

The tone of suoerman in mos was correct the execution of it was not, that's what you vet when you hire a rubbish director.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

LoL...yeah, gotta eat, take care of his family, & pay the mortgage.

Imagine him just sitting around the house while Lois is at work.
Being a freeloading leech.

Lois:have you tried looking for a jo-
Clark:IM SUPERMAN

 

[007]

The animated series superman never came across silly or ridiculous and that's the best interpritation of the character that there is.

 

[Vaibow]

I say just forget trying to rationalize Superman's secret identity. Skrilla31 makes a good point that the DC universe is inherently silly, and instead of downplaying that, embrace it. If the movie's entertaining, audiences aren't going to get so hung up over Superman's secret identity being weak.

Here's the thing - if Clark went about his life as clark in the city with glasses, a slight slouch, holding himself back so his true character isn't revealed, like, a shy guy, which isn't too hard to portray as that would be at the back of his mind 'people finding out' then it would work totally fine.

Let's be honest, Superman should be a hard person to capture on camera and if they do get shots, which clark will be aware of, it's more paparazzi.

So whilst people will see his face on print - it's very different to reality - i'm sure we have all walked past celebs and not even known it.

Here's the thing tho - do they have comics in that universe and super heroes and secret identities? Do they have hollywood movies? Then you would expect some tabloid papers or bloggers/conspiracists to track him down and work out where he lives etc.

This is why the villain/governemnt could have so much power or hold over clark as they would find out instantly who he is - the daily planet Facebook page would be automatically tagging their reporter in every shot they get of superman.

 

[The Batman]

Personally, this seems more like you trying to defend a childhood favorite from any criticism.

Seeing as how I've accepted that, for example, Reeve was probably a jerk before his accident, I don't view him through rose colored glasses. I just found disagree with your view. I understand that Reeve was no Marlon Brando, but lumping him in with Gadot simply doesn't wash with me. But, to each his own.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Clark kent has always been one of the worst alter egos.

I mean how stupid would the characters around him really have to be to not notice that.

There isn't much that can be done in that respect now because its far too far along. But it should of been written differently originally.

It's easy, no one is looking for Superman's alter ego. That's because the public doesn't believe he has one. The public knows he is KAL of El, he lives in the fortress of solitude. No one is expecting him to be working a 9 to 5 job.

Batman is much easier to piece together. Someone who does the things he does must be loaded as hell. That about narows it down. Hmmm. Batman started appearing right after Bruce Wayne returned. He uses a lot of Wayne tech prototype ****. Hmm...

 

[The Batman]

It is weird how fanboys don't nitpick Batman's alter ego the way they do Superman's, even though it would in fact be much easier to figure out.

 

[FunkMiller]

It's easy, no one is looking for Superman's alter ego. That's because the public doesn't believe he has one. The public knows he is KAL of El, he lives in the fortress of solitude. No one is expecting him to be working a 9 to 5 job.

Batman is much easier to piece together. Someone who does the things he does must be loaded as hell. That about narows it down. Hmmm. Batman started appearing right after Bruce Wayne returned. He uses a lot of Wayne tech prototype ****. Hmm...

I’ve always been amazed that people can easily accept a dude flying through the sky with zero form of propulsion, and flaunting every basic law of physics...

...but get poochy at the suggestion he can pretend to be a mild mannered reporter and get away with it.

News Flash: superheroes are bull**** right through the centre, and at both ends. Doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

 

[Jekecy]

I’ve always been amazed that people can easily accept a dude flying through the sky with zero form of propulsion, and flaunting every basic law of physics...

...but get poochy at the suggestion he can pretend to be a mild mannered reporter and get away with it.

News Flash: superheroes are bull**** right through the centre, and at both ends. Doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

Some aspects of outright fantasy are harder to suspend your disbelief over others. They're not all operating on the same playing field.

Superman's abilities can be excused as fringe science. His disguise is firmly in the realm of pure logic and reason, hence the higher scrutiny.

 

[FunkMiller]

Some aspects of outright fantasy are harder to suspend your disbelief over others. They're not all operating on the same playing field.

Superman's abilities can be excused as fringe science . His disguise is firmly in the realm of pure logic and reason, hence the higher scrutiny.

 

[Jekecy]

You don't think it's exponentially easier for people to assess and judge the mechanics of a suit-and-glasses disguise versus the 'science' behind his powers?

I'm pretty sure most don't actually care because his abilities are inherent to the entire being of the character. That and it's just way too out there to merit attempted explanations by a layman.

 

[WBwins]

So heres what i think WB should do to fix the mess they allowed Snyder make

Heres what i would do.

1.The Snyderverse versions of Wonderwoman and Arguably SS have proven to be profitable.I also suspect Aquaman will prove to be profitable as well as it isnt directed by Snyder.So I can say Wonderwoman,SS and Aquaman can continue to exist in Snyderverse.Their films will continue as planned

2.Every other Character will have to Rebooted.Batman,Superman,Flash,Green Lantern all of them.They will be set in a new continuity entirely.Lets call this new continuity The Newverse.All new franchises like shazam will also be set in the Newverse

3.That means we will have 2 types of DC films.The ones set in the Newverse and the ones in Snyderverse.However once the WW,SS and Aquaman trilogy are over that will be the end of the Snyderverse.The Newverse will continue as the one and only DC film continuity.

 

[007]

It's easy, no one is looking for Superman's alter ego. That's because the public doesn't believe he has one. The public knows he is KAL of El, he lives in the fortress of solitude. No one is expecting him to be working a 9 to 5 job.

Batman is much easier to piece together. Someone who does the things he does must be loaded as hell. That about narows it down. Hmmm. Batman started appearing right after Bruce Wayne returned. He uses a lot of Wayne tech prototype ****. Hmm...

Regardless of whether you were looking for it or not you'd have to be Stevie wonder to not notice Clark kent and superman are the same person its that obvious.

 

[Jekecy]

Regardless of whether you were looking for it or not you'd have to be Stevie wonder to not notice Clark kent and superman see the same person its that obvious.

The point would be it doesn't matter because the personalities are so far apart the comparisons stop at their resemblance.

That means we will have 2 types of DC films.The ones set in the Newverse and the ones in Snyderverse.However once the WW,SS and Aquaman trilogy are over that will be the end of the Snyderverse.The Newverse will continue as the one and only DC film continuity.

That seems needlessly complicated. The more likely route is they move forward with Aquaman and WW, and as they greenlight newer films they just plain ignore previous continuity. Including recasts.

 

[007]

The point would be it doesn't matter because the personalities are so far apart the comparisons stop at their resemblance.


Its a bad point.

 

[Rorschach2012]

The animated series superman never came across silly or ridiculous and that's the best interpritation of the character that there is.

Truth

Cavill is not that strong of an actor

Reeve and STAS are the best portrayals

Welling, Hoechlin, Routh and Reeve are all superior to Cavill just in terms of acting as Superman, despite Cavill having the best suit

 

[FunkMiller]

You don't think it's exponentially easier for people to assess and judge the mechanics of a suit-and-glasses disguise versus the 'science' behind his powers?

I'm pretty sure most don't actually care because his abilities are inherent to the entire being of the character. That and it's just way too out there to merit attempted explanations by a layman.

Ah right, I see what you mean. For a moment I thought you meant people could accept him flying because there was some kind of science that could suggest it was possible...

I like the idea that people will swallow a big impossibility, but not a small one, simply because explaining why the big impossibility is impossible is difficult, but the small impossibility can be safely picked apart because the reasons for it being impossible are easy to comprehend.


...


I need a lie down.

 

[Patchwork Man]

I like Christopher Reeve quite a bit, but I have not seen this range you are so convinced of. Sorry. Sure, he went to Juilliard, he was a great Superman and I enjoyed him in small, supporting and humorous roles (like Noises Off). But most of his leading roles outside of Superman fell flat with a thud. Much like Gal Gadot's other roles (leading or supporting) that I've seen beyond Wonder Woman.

I am not going to hold his school or the fact he turned down good movies as proof of his talent. In the dozen or so movies I saw him in, he struck me as a really charming, charismatic guy with limited range. Gal Gadot strikes me as a really charming and charismatic woman with limited range. Is Reeve perhaps a little better? Probably. My main point stands: neither are great actors. Neither are of the talent and range we have seen from Hugh Jackman, Christian Bale, James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender, or Robert Downey Jr. This does not mean I don't prefer his Superman to all of their turns as superheroes, because Reeve was perfectly cast. And it does not mean Gal Gadot isn't a wonderfully graceful and transcendent Wonder Woman, just because she has even less range than Reeve.

Personally, this seems more like you trying to defend a childhood favorite from any criticism.

Myself, I don't see a reason for Gadot vs. Reeve in the first place. Gal's chops have improved, and she's really into the role. She's nailed it in three movies. Everyone loves her as Diana. Nobody wants to see her exit (no "hard reboot" is happening, anyway). Outside of being Wonder Woman, she's Gisele from the Furious franchise.

Reeve (RIP) was a great actor. Sure, he had more range. Nobody will deny that. He was Superman early in his career, and will be most remembered for that.

A great non-Superman Reeve film is Somewhere in Time, based on Richard Matheson's novel Bid Time Return, winner of the World Fantasy Award in '76. (I'm sure Richard Matheson is a very familiar name to everyone here.)

For some reason, Reeve seldom landed great roles, but he did well with what he got, like in John Carpenter's Village of the Damned remake. Deathtrap (1982) is a solid movie, too. Reeve costars with future DC movie man Michael Caine in that one.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Truth

Cavill is not that strong of an actor

Reeve and STAS are the best portrayals

Welling, Hoechlin, Routh and Reeve are all superior to Cavill just in terms of acting as Superman, despite Cavill having the best suit

Hoechlin's not a standout. He's okay. Routh was directed to emulate Reeve. He's done better outside of Returns.

I hope we get another Superman solo movie that stars Cavill. That is all.

 

[007]

Cavils suoerman has been by far, more interesting even if the movies have sucked.

Dean cains still the best to do it though.

 

[007]

Routhis a better atom than he SAS superman. His portrayal and film are both forgetable.

 

[kguillou]

Boy, to be a fly on the wall in the offices of Warner Bros right now. I keep picturing a bunch of guys in suits sitting in a cold quiet room around a large table. Everypne's heads are down, avoiding eye contact. Absolute silence, you couls hear the ticking of the clock mounted on the wall. Suddenly, one suit has the courage to break the tension and say, "SO, can we make more Middle Earth movies? Maybe we should cross Wonder Woman over with that? Has anyone spoken to Peter Jackson?"

 

[Tra-El]

Boy, to be a fly on the wall in the offices of Warner Bros right now. I keep picturing a bunch of guys in suits sitting in a cold quiet room around a large table. Everypne's heads are down, avoiding eye contact. Absolute silence, you couls hear the ticking of the clock mounted on the wall. Suddenly, one suit has the courage to break the tension and say, "SO, can we make more Middle Earth movies? Maybe we should cross Wonder Woman over with that? Has anyone spoken to Peter Jackson?"

This already happened months ago. The result from these meetings was the new DC Films branding and banner. It all makes sense once everything finally came out and confirmed how chaotic the production really was. Surely WB saw this coming. Their production sure did act like it.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Regardless of whether you were looking for it or not you'd have to be Stevie wonder to not notice Clark kent and superman are the same person its that obvious.

That's exactly it. They are blind to Clark Kent because they are not looking. Superman isn't hiding who he is. Many people wonder about their similarities. But don't believe such a geek can be Supes.

 

[FunkMiller]

Clark kent has always been one of the worst alter egos.
.

Clark Kent is not the alter ego. Superman is.

He was Clark Kent first. From when he was a baby. He grew up on a Kansas farm, lived as an ordinary human being, and experienced ordinary human experiences.

He’s a well brought up American man, who also just happens to be a Demi-god. He doesn’t save people because he thinks he has too. He isn’t burdened by his power. He saves people because he wants to. Because it’s how he was raised.

I’m very much hoping that at some point a film maker will remember this, because you make Superman more relevant, more interesting, and more compelling with more Clark Kent. Not less.