Rogue, they ruined her, or did they?

[Spider-Bite]

No. Because then you would be applying your personal experiences instead of experiences the character has gone through.

isn't that what makes the best comic book characters though? they got these weird abilities but we can relate to them "cough spider-cough-man-cough"

 

[skruloos]

isn't that what makes the best comic book characters though? they got these weird abilities but we can relate to them "cough spider-cough-man-cough"

Yes. But when it comes to understanding and explaining WHY a character makes a decision, you need to show their motivation and not the audience's assumptions.

 

[C. Lee]

Rogue put her first boyfriend into a coma by kissing him. Rogue almost killed Logan by touching him (even though that saved her life at the time). Rogue has found (so far) only one person that she can touch (Bobby) and then for only a very short time as he freezes their connection. Other than her mutant abilities....she is a regular teenage girl....a regular person. She wants to be held by someone (preferably a loved one)...but to have actual physical contact of skin to skin without causing someone to become ill or die.

Why wouldn't she want to be cured?

 

[Sketchee]

That did not happen in X3 with Rogue. As I said a couple times already, if proper motivation had been shown and explained, more people would have accepted Rogue's choice. As it is, everything that occurs with that character is contradictory with what happened in her development from X1 to X2, and even contradicts what she tells Bobby and Logan. They only show examples of her being jealous and afraid of losing Bobby. So really, did she do it for herself or so Bobby wouldn't run off with Kitty?

I don't think they need to spoon feed us. We can see that she wants to be able to touch. Besides that there's a scene when Rogue says "I can't even touch my boyfriend" to Bobby and she says "I want to be able to give a hug and kiss" to Logan. What did she say to bobby and Logan that was contradicted?

I don't think X2 showed that Rogue was comfortable with her powers. She started dating a guy, was a bit more comfortable with a brief touch. But besides that, what development changed since X-Men 1 that she would suddenly be comfortable with her powers?

 

[Inner City Blue]

With her staying with the X-Men and Bobby and learning to have a relationship without touching him.

How do you come to that conclusion? She may have accepted her curse, but that's because she didn't believe she had any other options. She now has an option, so now she can get rid of her curse. That's not a step back in development as the development you're saying is not a necessary conclusion. As far I surmise, she still is conflicted about it, but made do with what she had.

Do you know anything about storytelling at all? It's not often you just show the end without showing us scenes of how they got there.

You still don't need a scene to show that, it would seem rather didactic to me, you don't have to show something to get the point across. The problem lies within the storytelling itself, perhaps more dialogue was needed to explore the themes of whether one should take the cure. The movie fails in this regard, but Rogue taking the cure is not a step back in character development.

She accepted her curse in the second movie because that's the only option she had, and in the third movie, she had a chance to remove it, so she took the cure. Very simple. Now did she do it just for Bobby, I don't think it was as clear as you say it is, but they could have done a better job communicating in this film.

And can the childish insults, grow up, really.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Rogue put her first boyfriend into a coma by kissing him. Rogue almost killed Logan by touching him (even though that saved her life at the time). Rogue has found (so far) only one person that she can touch (Bobby) and then for only a very short time as he freezes their connection. Other than her mutant abilities....she is a regular teenage girl....a regular person. She wants to be held by someone (preferably a loved one)...but to have actual physical contact of skin to skin without causing someone to become ill or die.

Why wouldn't she want to be cured?

Indeed. Not like she was using her powers at all.

 

[Inner City Blue]

I don't think they need to spoon feed us. We can see that she wants to be able to touch. Besides that there's a scene when Rogue says "I can't even touch my boyfriend" to Bobby and she says "I want to be able to give a hug and kiss" to Logan. What did she say to bobby and Logan that was contradicted?

I don't think X2 showed that Rogue was comfortable with her powers. She started dating a guy, was a bit more comfortable with a brief touch. But besides that, what development changed since X-Men 1 that she would suddenly be comfortable with her powers?

Okay, so I'm not the only one who sees it this way. Thank you.

 

[skruloos]

I don't think they need to spoon feed us. We can see that she wants to be able to touch. Besides that there's a scene when Rogue says "I can't even touch my boyfriend" to Bobby and she says "I want to be able to give a hug and kiss" to Logan. What did she say to bobby and Logan that was contradicted?

Show. Don't tell. Expository dialogue is the scarlet letter of filmmaking.

 

[skruloos]

And can the childish insults, grow up, really.

You found those to be insults? Hardly. I apologize if you were hurt by my words but they were hardly insulting. Film is a visual medium. If you don't show why a character does something and just assume the audience gets it because "she says so" then you are wrong. There is such a thing as subtext and what is shown by the movie can sometimes contradict what is said. That is why it is important to show something and not just to say something.

And I asked if you knew anything about storytelling at all because the questions and assumptions you make lead me to believe that you do not. If you have a character with a personal crisis, you show examples of why. If you explain her decision by saying that she does it for herself and not for a guy, then you need to show her examples of things that influence her decision that do not involve the guy. Otherwise, what you show in your film contradicts what she says in the movie. That is poor characterization.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Yes. But when it comes to understanding and explaining WHY a character makes a decision, you need to show their motivation and not the audience's assumptions.

I think they did do that in the first five minutes of the first movie, as well as during the second movie when she kissed her boyfriend.

I think they did it again in the third movie when she saw her boyfriend with that other chick.

I think they showed her motivation pretty well.

 

[Inner City Blue]

You found those to be insults? Hardly. I apologize if you were hurt by my words but they were hardly insulting. Film is a visual medium. If you don't show why a character does something and just assume the audience gets it because "she says so" then you are wrong. There is such a thing as subtext and what is shown by the movie can sometimes contradict what is said. That is why it is important to show something and not just to say something.

When you ask a person if they know about storytelling, it's being condescending no matter how you slice it. Film is a visual medium, but there is also voice added to it. You don't have to express something visually at all times, especially something that can be summed up in dialogue. Logan told her don't just get the cure because of a boy, she gets the cure, that doesn't necessarily mean she got the cure because of a boy. And when she says she did it for herself at the end, that would communicate she didn't do it just for the boy. The elements are there, the execution may have been crap (as were many themes in the movie), but you don't need to show Rogue in a moody scene longing to touch others.

And I asked if you knew anything about storytelling at all because the questions and assumptions you make lead me to believe that you do not. If you have a character with a personal crisis, you show examples of why. If you explain her decision by saying that she does it for herself and not for a guy, then you need to show her examples of things that influence her decision that do not involve the guy. Otherwise, what you show in your film contradicts what she says in the movie. That is poor characterization.

If the movie was all about Rogue you can have this, but you don't need to show this. Injecting that into the film would seem out of place, perhaps her problem isn't jealousy but frustration that others can be close and she can never be that close with anyone else. When she lashes out at Bobby, she's not really angry at him, but that's the way it comes over. Now they could have done a better job communicating this, but to say you have to show Rogue longing to touch other people is not a requirement. Moreover, perhaps this was left up to audience interpretation. But the real question would be is this up in the air because of a poorly executed movie or the director wanting you to think about it youself?

 

[f4faith]

How do you come to that conclusion? She may have accepted her curse, but that's because she didn't believe she had any other options. She now has an option, so now she can get rid of her curse.

Which is just as much an only option as her just having to accept her "curse". First, the whole premise that it is a "curse" is just annoying with no one in the X-Men ever trying to help her with it. If they can make glasses for Cyclops - then why is no one at least looking for things for Rogue? The fact that she literally has no choice and no one points out to her the drawbacks of not being a mutant in a group of mutants never is considered. My issue is much like skruloos. It's not that I object to her taking the cure - it's that I object to her taking it for narrow undeveloped and shallow reasons. We are just shown her only real motivation is to be with her boyfriend not for herself or her well being. She is given no other choice or even reasonable discussion - no one points out any potential postives of her powers (and they do exist - she might well gain control at this point for all we know given she's only had the power a year movie time) etc.

Again, there was never any attempt at Rogue controling her powers or the X-Men even trying to show her the positives of her powers. If Rogue picked the cure because it was a well thought out, fully formed decission then fine but it wasn't. She is still supposedly a teen in the movie. It's not like the cure was going away. Also there are and should be reprocusssions for taking the cure too. This belief that her life is suddenly going to be "fixed" because she took the cure is nonsense. She is no longer a mutant - how does she think she will now fit in at a mutant school ? - does she think there now will not be issues with her mutant boyfriend who might find a mutant girlfriend more interesting in the end? If they had Rogue take the cure and start off on another journey with a new life I can see that but just acting like it made everything all better is stupid.

As i posted on the other thread - can they redeem Rogue from being a wussy character who chose a major choice for no better reason than to follow around Bobby? Yes but only if they make it more than just getting her powers back because the cure didn't work but make Rogue realize how pathetic the choice was when she'd never dealt with all her options. Make her loose Bobby anyway and toughen her up. Having adult comic Rogue consider the choice and all the options is one thing. Having movie Rogue do it as whiny and very narrowly focused teen who never even brings up all the options and issues is just poor shallow characterization. It's not even that I would mind if she made a poor or incorrect decission if it was shown as one or at least one with a mixed result (ala so she does it to "fit in" and be touched only to find out that now that she is not a mutant, she still doesn't fit in with mutants and looses her family all over again - just like she lost her human family by becoming a mutant. If we really wanted realism - that's realism. What they did instead pretty much just came across as shallow any way I look at it. Shallow of Rogue for not even having a a well thought out reason for what she did and shallow of the movie for not giving us all of that reasoning - good and bad.

 

[Wolverazio]

It's not a matter of whether a real person would do it or not. We are watching a narrative. In the cure storyline with Beast, a lot of time was spent showing Beast's struggle with wanting to take the cure. They gave us examples of why he would. They showed us motivation.

That did not happen in X3 with Rogue. As I said a couple times already, if proper motivation had been shown and explained, more people would have accepted Rogue's choice. As it is, everything that occurs with that character is contradictory with what happened in her development from X1 to X2, and even contradicts what she tells Bobby and Logan. They only show examples of her being jealous and afraid of losing Bobby. So really, did she do it for herself or so Bobby wouldn't run off with Kitty?

So you would prefer a narrative completely avoids any semblance of reality in anything? Funny, because very often I hear people complain about how "that would never really happen" or "you would never really do that."

A sense of disbelief can only be suspended so much and when it comes to moral stands and such, it tends to become preachy. And the first two movies gave her no choice. She was stuck with these powers, there was no way out.

Suddenly, an option is given. It is not contradictory as much as it is adding new options/information. If you only have bread to eat every day, you may learn to live with it and accept it and even be happy. But that doesn't mean when someone shows up with steak you'll go "no thanks, I'm happy with my plain bread."

And as far as her doing it for shallow or undeveloped reasons...it seems that people are confusing their personal disagreements with facts. To you, her never being able to touch anyone or control her powers (and honestly, Logan never learned to control his healing factor but besides the point) it seems shallow and selfish.

That doesn't mean that the character wouldn't do it. That doesn't mean it's bad for the character to do it.

It means you disagree with the character doing it. Personal belief/morals conflicting with storytelling.

 

[phoenixstorm]

They ruined her. Bobby should have found her in line and convinced her not to take the cure.

She should have gone to the island to fight magneto with the others. on the island she could have used her power to help defeat phoenix without killing her!!

Too many people died in this movie. You don't see them killing off spiderman or the hulk or the fantastic four. Killing off characters is cheap and lazy writing.

Or on the island Rogue could have fought a mutant who flies and has super strength and stolen those powers and personality permanently!!! It would have been perfect even though carol danvers was never a mutant.

 

[Flare]

Rogue's character is probably the biggest example of how rushed this movie was and where some of its promise was lost.

THANK YOU. Just summed up my feelings in one sentence.

The whole thing with Rogue just really shocked me. I was so expecting her to at least show up at the final battle and take down Magneto (really fitting). Hell, even during the Wolverine/Jean showdown I was half expecting her to snap a sleeper hold on Jean from behind..Lol..

I mean, of all the mutants perhaps in the X-Universe, I thought that Rogue would have the most potential in a grand scale mutant vs. mutant fight like that. For her to just let go, and use her "cursed" powers for good could have been such a great moment. The girl who was basically portrayed as scared and weak in X1 could have shown that she truly deserved to be a part of the X-men.

Damnit...if the cure isn't temporary for all mutants they better say Leech was hiding in a nearby closet in that last scene...

 

[phoenixstorm]

The cure can go away easily. It was an experiemental drug so having it wear off after a bit of time is easy to do and makes sense.

 

[skruloos]

You don't have to express something visually at all times, especially something that can be summed up in dialogue.

This statement here proves you know nothing about filmmaking.

Logan told her don't just get the cure because of a boy, she gets the cure, that doesn't necessarily mean she got the cure because of a boy. And when she says she did it for herself at the end, that would communicate she didn't do it just for the boy.

Again. Subtext. Look into it. Characters sometimes say things they don't mean. And sometimes they mean things they don't say.

If the movie was all about Rogue you can have this, but you don't need to show this. Injecting that into the film would seem out of place, perhaps her problem isn't jealousy but frustration that others can be close and she can never be that close with anyone else. When she lashes out at Bobby, she's not really angry at him, but that's the way it comes over. Now they could have done a better job communicating this, but to say you have to show Rogue longing to touch other people is not a requirement. Moreover, perhaps this was left up to audience interpretation. But the real question would be is this up in the air because of a poorly executed movie or the director wanting you to think about it youself?

HAHAHAHAHA. Best excuse I've ever heard for Brett's inadequacy at character development. The problem is that Brett doesn't leave us with an open question as to why she did it. He gives us very blatant examples of why she does it. And then contradicts it with what she says. If he had actually taken the time to show us different reasons why she would want human contact (other than just to bop Bobby) then he'd be equipping us fully with different options to actually consider. He does not do this.

It's like spending an entire movie showing us footage of grass being colored green. And then at the end of the movie, a character reveals that the grass is really colored blue without adequately explaining why it would be so. The rest of the movie simply does not support what is said in the movie. That's just poor filmmaking.

 

[skruloos]

So you would prefer a narrative completely avoids any semblance of reality in anything? Funny, because very often I hear people complain about how "that would never really happen" or "you would never really do that."

No. You misunderstand what I said. It's not a matter of it having semblance to reality. It's a matter of creating a cohesive reality in the film. If the film cannot support its own arguments and has to rely on people to make up excuses for it, then the film fails.

A sense of disbelief can only be suspended so much and when it comes to moral stands and such, it tends to become preachy. And the first two movies gave her no choice. She was stuck with these powers, there was no way out.

Suspension of disbelief and a believable world occurs when the character behaves consistently and if she makes different choices, it is explained and shown within the context of the story.

And as far as her doing it for shallow or undeveloped reasons...it seems that people are confusing their personal disagreements with facts. To you, her never being able to touch anyone or control her powers (and honestly, Logan never learned to control his healing factor but besides the point) it seems shallow and selfish.

That doesn't mean that the character wouldn't do it. That doesn't mean it's bad for the character to do it.

It means you disagree with the character doing it. Personal belief/morals conflicting with storytelling.

No. Again, it hasa nothing to do with my personal feelings towards it. It is YOU who is placing your personal feelings into the argument. I am arguing in within the confines of the movie and how she has been portrayed. As I stated, if I was in her shoes, I would have taken the cure. But it doesn't matter what I would do. It's a matter of how her character has been established and whether or not the movie could show us adequate examples to make us believe she would make the other choice, without relying on my personal feelings.

Again, the characters must be able to exist within the confines of the story and their motivations must be made clear without the aid of relying on the audience to fill in their own personal feelings and motivations.

 

[theguido]

I think that Rogue taking the cure makes sense.

I mean, what is the upside to her power in terms of her day to day life? Absolutely none. It's only use is in combat, and it seems to be that movie Rogue is not ready for a combat role--so many of the mutants she might fight she wouldn't even be able to get close enough to in order to be able to use her powers---Pyro comes to mind as a good example. So, there's not much upside that I can see in her current state. Rogue does not see this as an ability so much as a curse.

I mean, as she is she's essentially trapped inside her own body, doomed never to touch another person without hurting them. I don't think that the scenes with Kitty just touched off her jealousy but was a stark reminder of precisely the sort of thing she would be without her entire life. So, she spends her entire life unable to touch another person for a limited combat role which she isn't ready for? Doesn't make sense to me, honestly.

Perhaps her decision was selfish, but it made sense to me. If I were Rogue, I would have done the exact same thing.

Not only does it make sense but it raises some interesting storyline possibilities for the next movie (and I think it's clear there will be one). How will the other mutants treat her? If she goes back home, how will her parents deal with it? What about Iceman, or Wolverine, or Storm? I'm sure their take on it will all be interesting. And what if it comes back at an "inconvenient" time and she ends up hurting someone. And that's just for starters.

 

[TheVileOne]

Rogue put her first boyfriend into a coma by kissing him. Rogue almost killed Logan by touching him (even though that saved her life at the time). Rogue has found (so far) only one person that she can touch (Bobby) and then for only a very short time as he freezes their connection. Other than her mutant abilities....she is a regular teenage girl....a regular person. She wants to be held by someone (preferably a loved one)...but to have actual physical contact of skin to skin without causing someone to become ill or die.

Why wouldn't she want to be cured?

Because it's a cop out. She's giving up and taking the easy way out.

Why? Because I don't know, people are fighting her friends and killing people while she is standing in line worrying about touching her boyfriend. That's pretty shallow to me.

The cure itself is a symbol of prejudice against Rogue. Why don't black people just paint themselves white? Yeah, such a great cure.

I wonder if the screenwriters even realize that they totally set it up for Rogue to NOT take the cure and help out in the climax. Which never occurs.

 

[f4faith]

And as far as her doing it for shallow or undeveloped reasons...it seems that people are confusing their personal disagreements with facts.

I am not confusing that with facts. The facts are that she or the X-Men never even seriously discuss all the options, that we never see her even trying to control her powers or the X-Men looking for other options or both the draw backs and positives to the cure in her emotional life that she seems so driven by in the movie. That she is never shown getting to use her powers productively to say save someone and it is a viable point to be made.

To you, her never being able to touch anyone or control her powers (and honestly, Logan never learned to control his healing factor but besides the point)

You are right it is besides the point. Why would he learn? Why would he try? There is a difference in controling a power like that and one like Rogue's. More Wolverine's bezerker rages that are more closely to her power issues in the comics - he conveniently gotten pretty good control over in this movie - so much so as to lead the team. And again where are the other options - the potential devices that might help her like Cyke's glasses? The fact that she's a teen who's only had her power a year - it's not like she's been stuck like this for most of her life - she's not had it long enough for me to feel like she's even given any other ideas about her powers and uses consideration at all nor have the movies made me believe the X-Men (as that is their purpose) have done that and that is poor characterization of the X-Men being as that is the whole reason we are given that they exist.

it seems shallow and selfish.

It's the assumption that she will NEVER control her powers so early in the story (for movie Rogue it's been no time at all - she's still a teen barely a year later movie wise) and therefore this is her ONLY other choice for the rest of her life that I feel has been ignored and not explored and that's why I find it shallow and selfish.

That doesn't mean that the character wouldn't do it. That doesn't mean it's bad for the character to do it.

Agreed - it does not mean she wouldn't do it but given that this is a story then storytelling wise, I need better development for me to identify with it and that is bad storytelling. More there are always drawbacks as I noted above about her not fitting in with mutants anymore and believe me there will be ones who will dislike her for not being a mutant as much as humans did for her being a mutant - that it will not all be happiness and light to do what she did - that could indeed be "bad" for her to do it - at least the concept should have had more thought to it.

THANK YOU. Just summed up my feelings in one sentence.

The whole thing with Rogue just really shocked me. I was so expecting her to at least show up at the final battle and take down Magneto (really fitting). Hell, even during the Wolverine/Jean showdown I was half expecting her to snap a sleeper hold on Jean from behind..Lol..

I mean, of all the mutants perhaps in the X-Universe, I thought that Rogue would have the most potential in a grand scale mutant vs. mutant fight like that. For her to just let go, and use her "cursed" powers for good could have been such a great moment. The girl who was basically portrayed as scared and weak in X1 could have shown that she truly deserved to be a part of the X-men.

And then there is that side of the the storytelling as well in which I also agree from just a fan stand point. The story is unfulling emotionally - it may be somewhat realistic given that she is given no other options in how short a time this character has had her power (which is why it never has depth nor resonates with me as a viewer) but I also don't get any emotional attachment to the character because of how boring and uninteresting her quick and simple leap into non-mutanthood is when there are so many other ways it could have ended that would have made a Rogue fan not see her as so wimpy and whiny. I see it as a similar reaction that Cyclops fans likely get. I don't go to the movie to see Wolverine and it's great if you do but all my favorite characters got little to no action, lame endings or left out all together - my geek side beyond just the story holes was left feeling cheated.

 

[Wolverazio]

No. You misunderstand what I said. It's not a matter of it having semblance to reality. It's a matter of creating a cohesive reality in the film. If the film cannot support its own arguments and has to rely on people to make up excuses for it, then the film fails.


Suspension of disbelief and a believable world occurs when the character behaves consistently and if she makes different choices, it is explained and shown within the context of the story.


No. Again, it hasa nothing to do with my personal feelings towards it. It is YOU who is placing your personal feelings into the argument. I am arguing in within the confines of the movie and how she has been portrayed. As I stated, if I was in her shoes, I would have taken the cure. But it doesn't matter what I would do. It's a matter of how her character has been established and whether or not the movie could show us adequate examples to make us believe she would make the other choice, without relying on my personal feelings.

Again, the characters must be able to exist within the confines of the story and their motivations must be made clear without the aid of relying on the audience to fill in their own personal feelings and motivations.

I find it interesting you don't argue against my presentation of choice. Because your argument of cohesiveness is based on the fact that she didn't have an immediate cop out. Whether she found a way to live with her powers does not negate the fact that she has never liked having them and found them to be more problematic than anything.

Of course you could say she might learn to control them down the road, she might learn how to fly if she flaps her arms really hard. But the fact remains that she saw things in the here and now, something that young people tend to do, and made a decision. Whether she lives to regret it or not is something that remains to be seen (or not seen). But again, that does not make it bad storytelling.

There was a new factor entered into the equation, this tends to change the outcome (or potentially change it, in the very least).

 

[The Guard]

I have no beef with Rogue's arc in this franchise. It's about ten times more interesting storywise than "Superstrong, flying, flirty smartass girl who punches things".

Because it's a cop out. She's giving up and taking the easy way out.

There's nothing easy about facing down lines of protestors, and your own sense of conscience, and fears about god knows what. Some would argue the "easy way out" is to do nothing, and remain in the status quo. Taking action is often harder than not taking action.

Why? Because I don't know, people are fighting her friends and killing people while she is standing in line worrying about touching her boyfriend. That's pretty shallow to me.

It's not like Rogue knew there was going to be a battle at Alcatraz. Are you honestly telling me it's shallow to worry about being able to touch someone witout hurting them, or scaring? Are you freaking kidding me?

The cure itself is a symbol of prejudice against Rogue. Why don't black people just paint themselves white? Yeah, such a great cure.

No, the cure is not the symbol of prejudice in Rogue's case. That has never been part of Rogue's arc. FEAR and detacment has been part of Rogue's arc. And the cure has been a symbol of a way to assuade those fears and that detachment. It's a symbol of "You are different, and it prevents you from having normal relationships without hurting people or scaring them, so what are you going to do about it?" Ask anyone with a serious mental illness or a serious contagious disease about this concept, and you will start to see that it is a theme that exists in the real world.

Society's answer to these things is "assimilate", "become normal", and "cure yourself". And that's not always a bad thing to do, in some fashion, depending on your situation. Rogue is the perfect example of this concept. And it makes perfect sense for her to take the cure. And it's not selfish, either.

I am not confusing that with facts. The facts are that she or the X-Men never even seriously discuss all the options, that we never see her even trying to control her powers or the X-Men looking for other options or both the draw backs and positives to the cure in her emotional life that she seems so driven by in the movie.

What options? This is a girl who touches people, and they almost die. And she is stuck with horrible memories of it, and part of them for the rest of her life.

That she is never shown getting to use her powers productively to say save someone and it is a viable point to be made.

Huh? The scene at the Drakes' in X2 makes it clear that she has learned to control and direct her powers. She uses it to STOP Pyro and uses her control of his power to SAVE the cops she can. So her powers being used productively HAS been shown in this franchise. And in X3, we see her powers used in the Danger Room to protect herself.

You are right it is besides the point. Why would he learn? Why would he try?

He clearly has some control over his healing ability, and a knowledge of it.

It's the assumption that she will NEVER control her powers so early in the story (for movie Rogue it's been no time at all - she's still a teen barely a year later movie wise) and therefore this is her ONLY other choice for the rest of her life that I feel has been ignored and not explored and that's why I find it shallow and selfish.

Who says this is her only choice for the rest of her life? She has every right to react to how things are for her NOW.

 

[MaleRogue]

Rogue, like Angel, served the movie best by being a symbol for mutant self-hatred. This is far more important than Rogue being in extended fight scenes.

I agree to that.
And I don't think they ruined her...I loved her in X3 to bad for lack of screen time....but **** this was the best movie.....Rogue was very important in this movie....

 

[TheVileOne]

I find it interesting you don't argue against my presentation of choice. Because your argument of cohesiveness is based on the fact that she didn't have an immediate cop out. Whether she found a way to live with her powers does not negate the fact that she has never liked having them and found them to be more problematic than anything.

So what? The cure is not a guarantee obviously. Her choice was a selfish and shallow one. Rogue would've ultimately realized that it was wrong and gone to Alcatraz to help the X-men.

Of course you could say she might learn to control them down the road, she might learn how to fly if she flaps her arms really hard. But the fact remains that she saw things in the here and now, something that young people tend to do, and made a decision. Whether she lives to regret it or not is something that remains to be seen (or not seen). But again, that does not make it bad storytelling.

Yes it does. It makes it a bad storyline because people actually THINK it's ok. It's ok that Rogue took something that was a symbol of hatred and prejudice AGAINST HER! Something that might only be temporary.

How does she cure herself if the cure wears off? Does she commit suicide? If not, sooner or later she's going to have to solve her problems without going for some stupid answer.

I also didn't buy her reasoning for taking it at all. She can't have sex? Join the club woman.