The Avengers Sam Raimi Should Direct The Avengers

[LightningFlash]

Leterrier has hardly proven he can masterfully handle multiple arcs and characters.

And Raimi has?

Because he did such a great job with Eddie/Venom, Flint/Sandman and he did a great job with the Stacy family, as well as Dr. Connors, and even MJ. Oh, yah, Raimi is far better at multiple arcs. Maybe he'll have Loki skip away from the Avengers at the end? Maybe we'll get hints of Ultimo, but never see him. And maybe, just maybe, Mandarin will get a shot at the Avengers, but for only five minutes.

 

[LightningFlash]

Shocking that Marvel won't even put out a TIH: Director's Cut. Maybe LL doesn't want to do it, but I get the feeling that Marvel probably thinks it will just end up embarassing itself once people see how superior the DC would have been.

I still want a 'The Incredible Hulk: Director's Cut' as well. It's a shame Marvel decided to cut out forty-five minutes of development scenes. Sure, a couple of them, I could do without, but, still, a lot of those scenes dealt with Banner trying to find a cure before meeting Sterns.

But seeing as how the next three years will be all about Avenger films, I could see them bringing TIH back into the viewer's lap with a DC, just to keep the Hulk fresh within the minds of the audience. And MAYBE a DC of Iron Man; there are a few deleted scenes from that film.

 

[TheVileOne]

And Raimi has?

Yes.

Because he did such a great job with Eddie/Venom, Flint/Sandman and he did a great job with the Stacy family, as well as Dr. Connors, and even MJ. Oh, yah, Raimi is far better at multiple arcs. Maybe he'll have Loki skip away from the Avengers at the end? Maybe we'll get hints of Ultimo, but never see him. And maybe, just maybe, Mandarin will get a shot at the Avengers, but for only five minutes.

And what has Leterrier done that's so special in comparison? You are throwing out crap from Spider-man 3, but Raimi did not want to use Venom. Arad and Sony forced it on to the production.

Also, don't pretend that the first 2 Spider-man movies didn't happen.

 

[bunk]

"Masterfully"? Hardly.

 

[LightningFlash]

And what has Leterrier done that's so special in comparison? You are throwing out crap from Spider-man 3, but Raimi did not want to use Venom. Arad and Sony forced it on to the production.

Also, don't pretend that the first 2 Spider-man movies didn't happen.

Blaming it on Arad and Sony is just ridiculous. You do know Raimi helped write it, right? I mean, if he's so great, then why didn't he put some of that "flavor" into the script?

And, no, I didn't forget the first two films. The moronically sympathetic Doc Ock. Of course I can't forget that guy. And the whole "you lost your powers because of love"; yes, how could I forget that one can always lose their DNA-altered abilities when a loved one is getting married to some other guy. Perfect writing; perfect way of bringing in John Jameson, and kicking him to the curb without even a hint of Man-Wolf. Brilliant work if you ask me.

And, the first film, sure I enjoyed it. But, then again, it still fits into Raimi's "kiddie" films.

Let filmed a GREAT movie called 'Unleashed' by the way. That film is ten times better than any of Raimi's films.

 

[TheVileOne]

Blaming it on Arad and Sony is just ridiculous. You do know Raimi helped write it, right? I mean, if he's so great, then why didn't he put some of that "flavor" into the script?

Raimi wrote an early treatment with his brother that was massively different than what was ultimately filmed.

And, no, I didn't forget the first two films. The moronically sympathetic Doc Ock. Of course I can't forget that guy. And the whole "you lost your powers because of love"; yes, how could I forget that one can always lose their DNA-altered abilities when a loved one is getting married to some other guy. Perfect writing; perfect way of bringing in John Jameson, and kicking him to the curb without even a hint of Man-Wolf. Brilliant work if you ask me.

LOL, the way you describe everything is hilarious. Doc Ock was great in the movie. Doc Ock has been a sympathetic character before in the comics.

I'm not sure why are you upset about John Jameson. Why should we have gotten Man-Wolf in the second movie? Makes no sense.

And, the first film, sure I enjoyed it. But, then again, it still fits into Raimi's "kiddie" films.

Seriously **** off with this crap. Alvin and The Chipmunks is a kiddie film. And God forbid that kids like Spider-man. You are such a snob. Go drool over the perfection that is Dark Knight (which also changed a lot of things from the comics too but you will never admit that).

Let filmed a GREAT movie called 'Unleashed' by the way. That film is ten times better than any of Raimi's films.

I think Unleashed/Danny The Dog is a great movie, but whatever. It's not much of a test to see how well he can do something like Avengers. Raimi was the one that helmed the most successful and profitable comic book movie franchise of all time which is more than I can say for Leterrier and a lot more than you would admit.

 

[LightningFlash]

Raimi wrote an early treatment with his brother that was massively different than what was ultimately filmed.



LOL, the way you describe everything is hilarious. Doc Ock was great in the movie. Doc Ock has been a sympathetic character before in the comics.

I'm not sure why are you upset about John Jameson. Why should we have gotten Man-Wolf in the second movie? Makes no sense.



Seriously **** off with this crap. Alvin and The Chipmunks is a kiddie film. And God forbid that kids like Spider-man. You are such a snob. Go drool over the perfection that is Dark Knight (which also changed a lot of things from the comics too but you will never admit that).



I think Unleashed/Danny The Dog is a great movie, but whatever. It's not much of a test to see how well he can do something like Avengers. Raimi was the one that helmed the most successful and profitable comic book movie franchise of all time which is more than I can say for Leterrier and a lot more than you would admit.

Spoken like a true Raimi fanboy.

Go watch wrestling now.

And watch as Raimi WON'T be directing the 'Avengers'.

I doubt Norton would be involved with such a God-awful director, anyways.

 

[powerbomb1411]

If Raimi directs the Avengers I know I won't see it. Don't even joke about it. Why would anyone think he would be good for the Avengers when he was horrible for 3 Spider-Man films. I have still yet to see a Spider-Man film where Spider-Man is actually in character when he's talking.

 

[TheVileOne]

I love all this revisionist history. The last 3 Spider-man movies were all horrible.

If not for Spider-man we wouldn't even have an Avengers movie forum here right now.

 

[powerbomb1411]

I used to love the first two....then I started reading the Spider-Man comics and realized how out of character he was in the movies. And just the movies for that matter, he's been in character is most of his cartoon's if not all of them.

 

[Sawyer]

No. Simple as that.

 

[TheVileOne]

Leterrier never directed a sequence as inspired as the hospital scene from Spider-man 2.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Lets just see what happens with COTT. Heck Avengers could be a brainless action and be uber successful. Look at Transformers. Not saying I want that, but I won't be expecting TDK level depth or anything. It's a summer popcorn afterall. Sam Raimi has shown little depth in Spiderman IMO, outside of some standout scenes here and there, which were just well directed. Not exactly complex or intelligent material that Avengers needs to have at those crucial moments.

 

[TheVileOne]

Fat TONIE you are talking about summer popcorn movies WELL HEL-****ING-LO SAM FREAKING RAIMI DID THREE OF THE BIGGEST ONES OF ALL TIME!

What is the most profitable, biggest, and successful comic book movie franchise of all time? It's Spider-man. Raimi did 3 of them Fat Tonie. All of them were summer popcorn films. So you can be in denial about it, and you guys can moan and groan about Spider-man 3 and Toni you can talk about Transformers but this isn't exactly uncharted territory for Raimi as far as dealing with big budgets and comic book super hero films.

 

[powerbomb1411]

Lets just see what happens with COTT. Heck Avengers could be a brainless action and be uber successful. Look at Transformers. Not saying I want that, but I won't be expecting TDK level depth or anything. It's a summer popcorn afterall. Sam Raimi has shown little depth in Spiderman IMO, outside of some standout scenes here and there, which were just well directed. Not exactly complex or intelligent material that Avengers needs to have at those crucial moments.

Since when did DK or BB have depth?

 

[Stripesy Strip]

Ridley Scott would never do this movie. He's doing this redundant and ridiculous looking Robin Hood origin movie that makes no sense BEFORE SHERWOOD FOREST . . . uh . . . you have Russell Crowe playing Robin Hood, this isn't exactly a young Robin Hood flick.

Wait to see the movie before judging that it sucks.

And what's with this Raimi obsession?

 

[Sawyer]

Since when did DK or BB have depth?

 

[FaT_tONle]

TDK had that psychological and philosophical dynamic with that perfect Yin and Yang mix which is obviously conducive to a Batman/Joker showdown. You even got the same feel with Ras and Bruce in BB. I didn't get the same feel with Goblin. It was more a typical revenge storyline than anything. It helps that Batman is a more grounded character, and I still believe SM2 is the best pure superhero movie out there. Frankly, I want to see the global implications and the politics of the Avengers play out to its fullest, similar to Singer's X-Men films, thought not only involving a select senator like Bruce Davison as Senator Kelly or Gary Shandling's Congress scene in IM2. I need even more than that. And yeah, Raimi hasn't proven he can tackle a global, full scale action thriller, let alone politics behind the government's involvement and motivation, the global perception, and the political threats both domestic and overseas. All Michael Bay can get right is the military aspect so Transformers is a vague analogy I made at best. It shouldn't be an Avengers vs The Masters of Evil/Skrulls video game type feel. And we HAVE NOT seen Raimi tackle something like that, which is why I want to see him do a Jack Ryan movie. But that will overload his schedule between that and World of WarCraft so he won't get an opportunity, nor should he. Sorry to break it to you Vile, but those are valid reasons I think most people would agree with as far as an Avengers movie goes. Let Raimi get out of the genre and do something else.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well then go ahead and get Stephen Sommers since I think his dance card is open .

 

[FaT_tONle]

How about this... since Marvel can't seem to get their **** straight with Cap, delay it to 2012, then that frees up Favs. Pay him a boatload to direct Avengers/IM3 back to back. That's the one guy who is safe whom we can trust with the job.

 

[TheVileOne]

Man I love Favreau and think he's great for the franchise, but he doesn't seem convinced or believes in himself that he can handle this undertaking. I'd also be worried he'd get fatigued or tired of doing all these movies back to back.

Also I got FOUR WORDS why Leterrier should not be doing Avengers:

CLASH OF THE TITANS

Yeah it was that bad.

Ask Raimi if his dance card is open.

 

[knowsbleed]

We've all given valid reasons for Raimi NOT to direct Avengers...



you are the one who has yet to post anything convincing us otherwise.

 

[knowsbleed]

dp.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well it doesn't matter now. Looks like Joss "the only thing i've made that is half decent is Buffy" Whedon has got the gig.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Well it doesn't matter now. Looks like Joss "Mostly Everything I've Done is Totally Awesome" Whedon has got the gig.

Fixed.