Scream 4!!!!!

[The Joker]

There's no holes in Randy's death, when a character specifically STATES in the movie they killed someone, they killed that person. It's not up for debate. Mrs. Loomis SAYS she killed Randy. She killed Randy. No discussion.

Exactly, Momma Loomis killed Randy because of he said about her son which made her snap.

'Nuff said

And it falls in line with each main killer killing off a significant character in each movie:

Billy: Tatum
Mrs Loomis: Randy
Roman: Cotton

Another cool thing regarding the main killers in the whole Maureen Prescott saga is each one got screwed over by Maureen in some way:

Billy: "Your **** mother was f**king my father. And she's the reason my mom moved out and abandoned me"

Mrs Loomis: "If you want to blame someone, why don't you blame your MOTHER!!! She's the one who stole my husband and broke up my family"

Roman: "She slammed the door in my face, Sid. She said I was Rina's child, and Rina was dead"

 

[kickass]

Interesting debate with who killed who. Love this series so much haha.

But my input would be............

Why can't both killers be present at the same time? I would much rather believe that Billy/Stu, Mrs.Loomis/Mickey took turns. One's on the phone, the other's in costume. Wouldn't that just make more sense? They are helping each other after all.

 

[bullets]

There's no holes in Randy's death, when a character specifically STATES in the movie they killed someone, they killed that person. It's not up for debate. Mrs. Loomis SAYS she killed Randy. She killed Randy. No discussion.

There's no reason to think otherwise. The only part in Scream 2 which is open to speculation would be the stuff that happens at the school of film


As for Scream 1 it's easy to guess who did what . I'm certain it was Stu though in the beginning though. The line "Nobody says YOU did" meant no ones accusing you

 

[The Joker]

Interesting debate with who killed who. Love this series so much haha.

But my input would be............

Why can't both killers be present at the same time? I would much rather believe that Billy/Stu, Mrs.Loomis/Mickey took turns. One's on the phone, the other's in costume. Wouldn't that just make more sense? They are helping each other after all.

Well that was definitely the case with Cici's death in S2. Ghostface is seen sneaking into the sorority house behind her, when at the same time he's talking on the phone to her.

I think Mrs Loomis did the calls to Cici, and Mickey killed her.

 

[bullets]

Interesting debate with who killed who. Love this series so much haha.

But my input would be............

Why can't both killers be present at the same time? I would much rather believe that Billy/Stu, Mrs.Loomis/Mickey took turns. One's on the phone, the other's in costume. Wouldn't that just make more sense? They are helping each other after all.

The majority of the time they were . I just think it's funny with some of these lists because someone will be like 80 percent right and then way off with something.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I bought the Blu-ray's and everything is so much clearer. So much that that one scene in the third movie where Sid's mom comes to her house in the beginning doesn't scare me anymore. If that makes sense. LOL. I now see why people are switching to Blu-ray.

Lol, I've never heard of a film's picture quality changing somebody's view on a scene.

 

[CrypticOne]

Lol, I've never heard of a film's picture quality changing somebody's view on a scene.

LOL. Maureen looked more ghostly on DVD.

 

[bullets]

It had the same effect on Edward Scissorhands and Beetlejuice for me.

Lol, I've never heard of a film's picture quality changing somebody's view on a scene.

There's so much stuff I've never noticed before. One is you can see Dewey's tattoos on his arm when he closes the car door for Sid in Scream 3.

 

[mikeyh89]

I think Billy killed Himbry and it was Stu who chased Sid all on his own during the end. I also think he was present with Stu at the Becker house, but it was Stu who killed both Casey and Steve. I would think Billy is the very first Ghostface seen onscreen when he enters the house, but it's Stu who jumps out to chase Casey.

I think in Scream 2, the only time Mrs. Loomis is ever seen as Ghostface is when she kills Randy. I think the other times it's Mickey.

But isn't Mickey at the sorority party with the rest of them? I always figured he was probably on the phone with CiCi but Mrs. Loomis killed her. But who knows.

Now this is kind of weird and dumb, but part of me is hoping that none of the killers are the teenagers this time. I know that won't be the case (well I don't actually know but I mean, realistically speaking). I would like for all the teens to actually be innocent. It's corny but I always feel so bad for Sid that one or more of her friends always turns out to be a murderer! At least in Scream 2 it was just Mickey as opposed to the original idea of Derek/Hallie or the first one's Stu/Billy. It's the same reason I don't want Dewey or Gale to be the killer (or Sidney).

 

[Thundarr]

You know, with all the killing sprees that have happened in that town over the past 15 years or so, I'd be surprized if everyone in town didn't have at least one gun in their house. I know I'd have a 12 guage shotgun on my wall and a S&W 500 in my nightstand if I lived there. Ghostface would learn quickly what happens when you bring a knife to a gunfight.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Well. Compared to some town's Woodsboro's kind of a saint.

As far as we know before this one:

- Maureen Roberts.
- Year later, Casey, Steve, Tatum, Principal Himbry, Kenny, Stu, Billy.

So the town's probably actually peace now before the events of Scream 4.

 

[The Morningstar]

There's no holes in Randy's death, when a character specifically STATES in the movie they killed someone, they killed that person. It's not up for debate. Mrs. Loomis SAYS she killed Randy. She killed Randy. No discussion.

Because psychopaths never lie? One of the key traits of psychopaths is compulsive lying.

Along with the line "You'll never be the leading man and you'll never get the girl" clearly referencing what Randy said in class, I don't think it's so cut and dry.

 

[Thundarr]

Well. Compared to some town's Woodsboro's kind of a saint.

As far as we know before this one:

- Maureen Roberts.
- Year later, Casey, Steve, Tatum, Principal Himbry, Kenny, Stu, Billy.

So the town's probably actually peace now before the events of Scream 4.

I believe the university was either in or just outside of Woodsboro. Therefore everyone who was killed there is part of the Woodsboro bodycount as well. Point being, if you live in Woodsboro, it's a good idea to live with a small arsenal in your house. Just like if you live in Springwood it's a good idea to have a medicine cabinet fully stocked with caffein pills, or if you live in either Haddonfield or Crystal Lake it's a good idea to live in a burgaler proof house with steel doors and bullet proof windows.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well. Compared to some town's Woodsboro's kind of a saint.

As far as we know before this one:

- Maureen Roberts.
- Year later, Casey, Steve, Tatum, Principal Himbry, Kenny, Stu, Billy.

So the town's probably actually peace now before the events of Scream 4.

Yeah, but let's be honest here, these killings happened 3 times overall. It had to have had a lasting impact on the town and pretty much created an image of the town for generations to come. Kind of like how Haddonfield was never the same after what Michale Myers did. Hell, Haddonfield was pretty much afraid (though, obviously, they did) to celebrate Halloween because of Michael Myers in Halloween 6.

 

[The Joker]

Because psychopaths never lie? One of the key traits of psychopaths is compulsive lying.

By that logic how can we believe anything said by any of the killers?

Along with the line "You'll never be the leading man and you'll never get the girl" clearly referencing what Randy said in class, I don't think it's so cut and dry.

Except it is that cut and dry. Mrs Loomis said she killed Randy because he insulted Billy. How would she know he insulted Billy like that unless it was her he was talking to on the phone in the first place?

These strawman arguments are getting silly now.

 

[Anjow1060]

I think Billy killed Himbry and it was Stu who chased Sid all on his own during the end. I also think he was present with Stu at the Becker house, but it was Stu who killed both Casey and Steve. I would think Billy is the very first Ghostface seen onscreen when he enters the house, but it's Stu who jumps out to chase Casey.

I think in Scream 2, the only time Mrs. Loomis is ever seen as Ghostface is when she kills Randy. I think the other times it's Mickey.

Not a chance. Ms. Loomis went after Sid in the sorority house without a doubt "I've gotta go... I've got a deadline."

and going after Dewey and Gale in the film school once again - there's no doubt in my mind she was in on that one.

- Jow

 

[Anjow1060]

The majority of the time they were . I just think it's funny with some of these lists because someone will be like 80 percent right and then way off with something.

I could understand it, but the truth of it is - one kills someone while the other has an alibi. And vice versa. At least, in the 2nd film no one knows it's Ms. Loomis so it can get played with a bit more there. But in S1... I still take issue with the idea that Stu killed Casey. To me it's more like Stu was with Tatum, Billy off'd Casey solo (let's be honest billy and stu had different styles of killing. Billy is more menacing about it. Stu was a bit more of a crazy jackass.) And on his way back from off'ing Casey he stopped at Sid's to try and get himself an alibi. A point the police picked up on but couldn't prove.

To me, a former boyfriend of Casey Becker would suspect numero uno. Or at least one of them. That's why, eh hem, I'm still waiting on that link to Williamson's tweet....

- Jow

 

[antsman41]

Windsor was on Ohio. We have proof from license plates, and the girl at the counter in the beginning says "...murdered in California a few years ago.". Why say Cali if they were in Cali.

Woodsboro only had the original and Maureen's death. Windsor College was out in Ohio, and all of Scream 3 takes place in Hollywood...

 

[bullets]

To me it's more like Stu was with Tatum, Billy off'd Casey solo /And on his way back from off'ing Casey he stopped at Sid's to try and get himself an alibi. A point the police picked up on but couldn't prove.

Billy and Stu both had to be at Casey's house that night. I'm sure afterwords they both paid a visit to their girlfriends. I guess you could perceive it either way though.. There's even a theory that Stu kills Steve and Billy offs Casey. It's really however you want to interpret it. As for Williamson's tweet..haven't seen it , can't help you there, those are hard to track down.

 

[antsman41]

Stu killed Casey debate; http://scream-trilogy.net/ultimatemb/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2868

 

[kickass]

One of them kills, the other makes the phone calls. And they take turns. That's it!

 

[antsman41]

^DUH

we are debating who was GF. The actual knife wielder, stabber, killer...

 

[CrypticOne]

I'd say Stu was Ghostface for most of movie one. Mickey was Ghostface for most of movie two.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Agreed. Though, I still wouldn't rule out Mrs. Loomis as the killer part time in the second film.

 

[CrypticOne]

^^ Agreed. Though, I still wouldn't rule out Mrs. Loomis as the killer part time in the second film.

Yeah, I believe Mrs. Loomis killed Randy. But I can't see her running around in any of the other parts.