Scream 4!!!!!

[The Joker]

And Idk if any of you have been through this before - but i'm 100% sure Mickey killed Randy and Mrs. Loomis just took credit for it.

How are you 100% sure of that? There's nothing to support that theory. Just because a woman took down Randy you won't believe it? Come on, that's silly.

I don't think Randy was even the intended target originally. I believe Gale was. Mrs Loomis rang Gale's cell phone, and Randy answered it. Mrs Loomis seemed to have it in personally for Gale, as she was forever hanging around her all through the movie, and then made it a point to take her hostage and bring her to the final showdown.

But Ghostface only retaliated against Randy after he insulted Billy. Mrs Loomis flat out said "Randy spoke poorly of Billy and I got a little knife happy".

It's spelled out she was the one who killed him. You may not like that weak nerdy Randy got killed by a psycho mother, but he did. If Sidney can kick ass against the guys, then Mrs Loomis can sure as hell take down weedy Randy in a fit of rage.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Exactly! And don't forget, women have been killers in slasher films as well.

 

[Sawyer]

If thats the case, Dewey should've died. He bled open in two movies and is still alive.

Yeah, well..... Dewey has a mustache.

 

[Anjow1060]

it's not a sexist thing. Idc if a girl kills a guy (The killer could easily be female - basic instinct)

I outlined evidence to support it. The boots. The line of dialogue from the class room. The excuse that Mickey was too busy to be Sid's friend on duty cuz he had to edit.

- Jow

 

[The Joker]

I outlined evidence to support it. The boots.

You don't honestly think Ghostface would have ladies shoes on, do you lol? That would be a dead give away. Why couldn't Mrs Loomis have the boots on, and then gone and get changed in a ladies room?

The line of dialogue from the class room.

Mickey could have told Mrs Loomis that. He could have been telling her every little thing about the Woodsboro survivors who were involved in her son's downfall.

The excuse that Mickey was too busy to be Sid's friend on duty cuz he had to edit.

Maybe he did actually have to edit. He was still a college student there. Mrs Loomis had the opportunity, too. Put the point is moot. This is all pie in the sky baseless theories. The actual dialogue in the movie refutes it.

 

[Anjow1060]

You don't honestly think Ghostface would have ladies shoes on, do you lol? That would be a dead give away. Why couldn't Mrs Loomis have the boots on, and then gone and get changed in a ladies room?



Mickey could have told Mrs Loomis that. He could have been telling her every little thing about the Woodsboro survivors who were involved in her son's downfall.



Maybe he did actually have to edit. He was still a college student there. Mrs Loomis had the opportunity, too. Put the point is moot. This is all pie in the sky baseless theories. The actual dialogue in the movie refutes it.

So then the point of seeing the killers boots getting out of the van and then cotton bumping into mickey wearing them wasn't evidence that Mickey wore those boots normally?

And I'm sorry "he could have told her what they said" is far less ludicrous than him just repeating what he heard himself in the class.

As far as editing goes - alright maybe he did have to edit. But I still don't buy it even if she says it.

Let's just chalk it up to plot holes and hug it out.

- Jow

 

[CrypticOne]

Stu did kill Casey. The dude who wrote the movie even said he did.

And you'd be surprised at how much strength is in your body, Mrs. Loomis was angry with rage and unleashed on Randy.

BOOM!

 

[Anjow1060]

"the dude who wrote the movie"



Yep. That's credible.

- Jow

 

[The Joker]

So then the point of seeing the killers boots getting out of the van and then cotton bumping into mickey wearing them wasn't evidence that Mickey wore those boots normally?

The black boots is always worn by Ghostface. Joel, Gale's cameraman, had them, too. They showed them on Cotton to make him a suspect, particularly in a scene where he was getting very intense with Sidney.

Cotton was a great red herring for being the killer.

And I'm sorry "he could have told her what they said" is far less ludicrous than him just repeating what he heard himself in the class.

Oh come on, dude, we're in a movie universe where Ghostface can move around a supermarket unnoticed in broad daylight, and Sidney decides to go to a house party in the back ass of nowhere the very next day after she's been attacked twice, and specifically targeted by a killer who already butchered two of her fellow class mates.

Mickey telling Mrs Loomis everything about the Woodsboro survivors is plausible to the max by comparison

As far as editing goes - alright maybe he did have to edit. But I still don't buy it even if she says it.

Let's just chalk it up to plot holes and hug it out.

- Jow

Fair enough

 

[Anjow1060]

lol for the record - i don't wanna continue the argument, but the supermarket thing kills me in Scream 1.

But somehow that makes a "he said ____" more rationale than someone lying about their accomplishments?

Either way - i feel like that line of dialogue is really the only evidence I have for my case honestly. Because Ms. Loomis DOES say "everything is traceable back to Mickey" supports your claim. It's just... that one line of dialogue the killer says just bothers me cuz I don't see why Mickey would feel that's important to relay to Ms. Loomis.

"I'd let the geek... get the girl."
"You'll never be the leading man and you'll never ever get the girl."

Either way i feel like Williamson or w/e ghost writer (no pun intended) that put that dialogue in there dropped the ball a bit.

- Jow

 

[Jennifer Walters]

"the dude who wrote the movie"



Yep. That's credible.

- Jow

It's about as credible as you can get, when the writer of the movie says in an interview that Stu killed Casey.

That throws everything out, fan speculation, and more. Kevin wrote the movie. Kevin wrote it in his mind as if it was Stu killing Casey, and thus it's his vision just like the rest of the movie.

 

[Anjow1060]

I'm not saying Williamson isn't credible. I asked where he said this? Cuz right now it's just hear say.

I don't mind eating crow but when Williamson is referred to as "the dude who wrote the movie" to me.... I question someones fan-level. lol

Juuuuuuuuust saying

-Jow

 

[CrypticOne]

I'd say Stu did most of the killings in Scream. Billy was under suspicion hardcore! Billy was more of the mastermind behind everything. Stu was like the muscle.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

lol for the record - i don't wanna continue the argument, but the supermarket thing kills me in Scream 1.

But somehow that makes a "he said ____" more rationale than someone lying about their accomplishments?

Either way - i feel like that line of dialogue is really the only evidence I have for my case honestly. Because Ms. Loomis DOES say "everything is traceable back to Mickey" supports your claim. It's just... that one line of dialogue the killer says just bothers me cuz I don't see why Mickey would feel that's important to relay to Ms. Loomis.

"I'd let the geek... get the girl."
"You'll never be the leading man and you'll never ever get the girl."

Either way i feel like Williamson or w/e ghost writer (no pun intended) that put that dialogue in there dropped the ball a bit.

- Jow

This isn't a case of Mickey getting info to Mrs. Loomis. Mrs. Loomis is from Woodsboro. It seemed apparent in Scream 1 that everyone (including possibly Sid) knew that Randy had a thing for her. It wasn't like some huge big secret.

 

[CrypticOne]

I'm not saying Williamson isn't credible. I asked where he said this? Cuz right now it's just hear say.

I don't mind eating crow but when Williamson is referred to as "the dude who wrote the movie" to me.... I question someones fan-level. lol

Juuuuuuuuust saying

-Jow

Sorry, didn't know I had to say Kevin Meade Williamson's name.

 

[killghostface]

heyy about scream 4...

Spoiler

what about jill's mother? We are missing her completely. and how jill can't be the one why would she kill her own mum? this is so weird.there is something fighy about kirby and robbie.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

I'm not saying Williamson isn't credible. I asked where he said this? Cuz right now it's just hear say.

I don't mind eating crow but when Williamson is referred to as "the dude who wrote the movie" to me.... I question someones fan-level. lol

Juuuuuuuuust saying

-Jow

Also who are you to question the fan level? Williamson IS the dude who wrote the movie. Some people don't know his name, doesn't make them any less a fan than me or you.

It's not hear say. You've had two people bring this up to you...but if that's not good enough and my bad it wasn't an interview, a fan asked him on his personal twitter that he updates himself:

Some guy on Twitter asked Kevin:

@kevwilliamson -- This bugs me, who killed Casey Becker? Billy or Stu?

Kevin replys with:

@Jamie_M39 -- Stu.

Which explains her shocked face. I mean your ex is killing you, you're sure as hell going to be shocked. I don't think she'd have the same reaction if Billy did it.

 

[Anjow1060]

I shall dine on crow if you can link me to the twitter of it. That's all I asked for.

I'm just saying, people who know this kind of stuff about a movie usually know the writer's name.

Debbie Salt: ... that's all.

Still makes one wonder why Billy goes "Nobody said YOU did." unless he was just reminding him to ****.

Regardless - Casey i could care less about who killed her. It's Randy's death that has the holes in it for me.

- Jow

 

[CrypticOne]

I shall dine on crow if you can link me to the twitter of it. That's all I asked for.

I'm just saying, people who know this kind of stuff about a movie usually know the writer's name.

Debbie Salt: ... that's all.

Still makes one wonder why Billy goes "Nobody said YOU did." unless he was just reminding him to ****.

Regardless - Casey i could care less about who killed her. It's Randy's death that has the holes in it for me.

- Jow

Mrs. Loomis killed Randy. I know this.

And yeah, the "Nobody said YOU did" line was a hint to ****, I agree with that.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

There's no holes in Randy's death, when a character specifically STATES in the movie they killed someone, they killed that person. It's not up for debate. Mrs. Loomis SAYS she killed Randy. She killed Randy. No discussion.

Do you know how active Kevin Williamson's twitter is? I'd have to back to the early months of Scream 4's production to find it. I don't have that amount of time to waste on something as frivolous as that.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Exactly, Momma Loomis killed Randy because of he said about her son which made her snap.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

There's no holes in Randy's death, when a character specifically STATES in the movie they killed someone, they killed that person. It's not up for debate. Mrs. Loomis SAYS she killed Randy. She killed Randy. No discussion.

This is true.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

There's no holes in Randy's death, when a character specifically STATES in the movie they killed someone, they killed that person. It's not up for debate. Mrs. Loomis SAYS she killed Randy. She killed Randy. No discussion.

This is true.

 

[CrypticOne]

I bought the Blu-ray's and everything is so much clearer. So much that that one scene in the third movie where Sid's mom comes to her house in the beginning doesn't scare me anymore. If that makes sense. LOL. I now see why people are switching to Blu-ray.

 

[Punisher Rising]

My guess as to who killed whom -

Scream 1 -
Billy: Maureen. Steve. Casey. Attack on Sidney in school. Sid trapped in the police car. Tatum.
Stu: Attack on Sidney in house. Himbry. Stabbed Dewey. Kenny the camera man.

I think Billy was the driving force. Stu only did a little. Billy basically just included him to "have a partner to sell out in case ya get caught."

Scream 2:
Mickey: Maureen Evans, Phil Stevens. Hallie. The cops. Randy.
Ms. Loomis: Cici Cooper. Attack on Sid at sorority house. Dewey stab / Gale chase in film school.

IMO - Ms. Loomis just wanted Sid. She played Mickey's game just to be involved and keep suspicion off of him long enough to frame him for his crazy plan and then just to get Sid. I think she wanted Randy, Gale, Dewey dead but let Mickey have Randy. Gale was more involved with Sid in the death of Billy. I think those are the only 2 people she really wanted to kill herself.

Scream 3 - Roman killed everyone.
*sigh*
I hate solo killers. Idc how less it would have worked - they should have let Angelina stay as the 2nd killer.

- Jow

I think Billy killed Himbry and it was Stu who chased Sid all on his own during the end. I also think he was present with Stu at the Becker house, but it was Stu who killed both Casey and Steve. I would think Billy is the very first Ghostface seen onscreen when he enters the house, but it's Stu who jumps out to chase Casey.

I think in Scream 2, the only time Mrs. Loomis is ever seen as Ghostface is when she kills Randy. I think the other times it's Mickey.