Scream 5 in Development

[BatLobster]

I think a lot of this is because of the pandemic setting things back, but I agree, studios are too spoiler averse these days. They don't need to be so secretive. A premise would do. It's hard to just get excited about a title sometimes. The average moviegoer doesn't keep track of these things like we do. People will be spoiled if they choose to find them, it doesn't effect most people.

Yeah I think it's pandemic related too, but you'd think things would be starting to gear up again. I'm all for keeping spoilers under as tight of a grip as possible and preserving the joy of discovery for the audience.

But at the same time, I seriously question if your average audience member has any clue any of these big franchise movies are coming at the end of the year. That seems weird to me. I think there's an art to creating awareness and buzz without giving the whole game away. That used to be the point of teaser trailers.

The days of seeing alot of trailers 6 months to a year early is over except for the jurassic world trailer which is only to help get people back into the theaters. Studios want you hyped and ready to go with 2 - 3 months. 6 months or more can kill hype for a film in alot of cases. Now of course there are exceptions to my statement so keep that in mind.

Don't forget The Batman. I think they took advantage of a great opportunity there and created a huge amount of hype way in advance.

 

[The Shape]

I think a lot of this is because of the pandemic setting things back, but I agree, studios are too spoiler averse these days. They don't need to be so secretive. A premise would do. It's hard to just get excited about a title sometimes. The average moviegoer doesn't keep track of these things like we do. People will be spoiled if they choose to find them, it doesn't effect most people.

I disagree. I think studios should be as secretive as they want to be or need to be when it comes to protecting actual spoilers (particularly for theatrical releases), especially with how nearly everything seems to get leaked or spoiled on the Internet anyway. This all depends on the kind of film or project, of course, and what kind of experience the filmmakers want viewers to have.

If there is any franchise that is notorious for being secretive and should remain that way, it's the Scream franchise, which is essentially a who-dunnit mystery that relies on people NOT knowing the films' secrets. We're talking about a franchise that has reshot portions of their films when scripts leaked onto the Internet, and have also released fake scripts online to preserve their secrets. I'm all for them holding onto their cards until they're ready.

With that being said, I'm also all for a clever teaser/trailer that doesn't reveal too much and I'm hoping to see something like that by the end of the summer for this new Scream. They need to get the word out and start building hype for this if they want this to have any shot at becoming the next Halloween 2018. Very excited for this marketing campaign to ramp up.

 

[Gothamsknight]

This current studio trend of holding onto trailers so tightly is starting to drive me a bit nuts. Between Scream 5, Ghostbusters: Afterlife and Matrix 4, I'm dying for just a taste of all these anticipated movies of mine that are coming out MONTHS from now...

Though I can't deny, it's also fueling my anticipation.

You and me both! It's funny you should say that because that same thought occurred to me just yesterday. All these huge films coming out in a few months and we pretty much barely have anything, with literally NOTHING from something like The Matrix 4. Definitely some of it is the pandemic, as Doctor Jones said, but it's other things too. I'm honestly very hyped for this movie haha, but I also keep forgetting about it because we don't really have much. Even Halloween Kills, which I'm even more pumped for I've kind of forgotten about and that movie is out in what, 4 months?

I feel like they used to release trailers much early in the 2000s to mid 2010s. The Spider-Man 3 teaser dropped about a year in advance if i remember correctly.

But then again, a lot of this is because I'm hyped and I want to see things as soon as possible. The fact that we got the teaser for The Batman so early is insane and amazing haha. I've lost count how many times I've watched that teaser.

 

[BatLobster]

You and me both! It's funny you should say that because that same thought occurred to me just yesterday. All these huge films coming out in a few months and we pretty much barely have anything, with literally NOTHING from something like The Matrix 4. Definitely some of it is the pandemic, as Doctor Jones said, but it's other things too. I'm honestly very hyped for this movie haha, but I also keep forgetting about it because we don't really have much. Even Halloween Kills, which I'm even more pumped for I've kind of forgotten about and that movie is out in what, 4 months?

I feel like they used to release trailers much early in the 2000s to mid 2010s. The Spider-Man 3 teaser dropped about a year in advance if i remember correctly.

But then again, a lot of this is because I'm hyped and I want to see things as soon as possible. The fact that we got the teaser for The Batman so early is insane and amazing haha. I've lost count how many times I've watched that teaser.

It really feels like the calm before the storm. We've had a draught on big movies for a longer period than we're used to because of the pandemic, and we're just on the verge of entering what feels like could be a new overall "phase" for movies, IMO.

I suspect what's driving it is the fear of a getting oversaturated in the social media cycle and then it's onto the next thing. But I mean...at a certain point you have to let the masses know that something is coming. That's where I feel it's getting a bit overboard. The anticipation is a big part of it for the experience of these kinds of movies. But yeah, before this, a teaser 1 year in advance, then a trailer 6 months in advance, and a final trailer 2-3 months in advance was the norm. I think it started shifting a bit before Covid, and now it's just getting crazy.

We're gonna feast pretty damn soon though.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I disagree. I think studios should be as secretive as they want to be or need to be when it comes to protecting actual spoilers (particularly for theatrical releases), especially with how nearly everything seems to get leaked or spoiled on the Internet anyway. This all depends on the kind of film or project, of course, and what kind of experience the filmmakers want viewers to have.

If there is any franchise that is notorious for being secretive and should remain that way, it's the Scream franchise, which is essentially a who-dunnit mystery that relies on people NOT knowing the films' secrets. We're talking about a franchise that has reshot portions of their films when scripts leaked onto the Internet, and have also released fake scripts online to preserve their secrets. I'm all for them holding onto their cards until they're ready.

With that being said, I'm also all for a clever teaser/trailer that doesn't reveal too much and I'm hoping to see something like that by the end of the summer for this new Scream. They need to get the word out and start building hype for this if they want this to have any shot at becoming the next Halloween 2018. Very excited for this marketing campaign to ramp up.

You're right, what I should have said was ideally, I wish studios just gave more information regarding the story. At least a dramatic hook; a premise. That's enough. I don't wish to see leaks of the whole plot either or know that, and things should be retained, but not at the expense of knowing more context like a premise. Maybe there would be less of a need for spoilers if studios weren't so secretive on every single thing. But IF things leak, these things still exist in the circle of people like us. It doesn't effect the overall performance of the movie. At that point, with some exceptions, people choose whether they want to be spoiled or not.

 

[Nardz937]

 

[BatLobster]

Hell yeah! I wish it was all the films, but that's still great news.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I'll be picking it up for sure!

 

[The Shape]

Yeah, I need all the films in 4K. Hope they do that to coincide with the release of the new film.

Other than Scream 4, all of the films have great cinematography and lighting with striking, vibrant colors and big set pieces/locations. All would look amazing in 4K.

 

[mclay18]

Brian Tyler would score all the points for me if he brings back Dewey's Theme from Scream 2 (which was really from Broken Arrow), as Dewey makes his reappearance.

Brian Tyler does his homework when he's usually scoring sequels scored by other people. Final Destination 5, Avengers: Age of Ultron, John Rambo, et al quoted the previous composers' thematic material.

I hope he brings back Beltrami's theme for Sidney, that was beautiful.

 

[BatLobster]

Brian Tyler does his homework when he's usually scoring sequels scored by other people. Final Destination 5, Avengers: Age of Ultron, John Rambo, et al quoted the previous composers' thematic material.

I hope he brings back Beltrami's theme for Sidney, that was beautiful.

That's an absolute must IMO. I still wish Beltrami was scoring it, but if Sidney's theme is there that'll satisfy me. It's so haunting and iconic.

 

[Broseph44]

Must buy for me.

 

[mclay18]

Other than Scream 4, all of the films have great cinematography and lighting with striking, vibrant colors and big set pieces/locations. All would look amazing in 4K.

Um, Peter Deming was the DP on Scream 2-4. And he actually did the last week of filming for Scream after Craven gave Mark Irwin the boot.

 

[The Shape]

Um, Peter Deming was the DP on Scream 2-4. And he actually did the last week of filming for Scream after Craven gave Mark Irwin the boot.

Correct. Doesn’t change the fact that Scream 4 is the “ugliest” looking film in the series and the one that feels the smallest, with that dark, hazy filter they used throughout the film.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Yeah, 4 does have a DTV quality to it for some reason.

 

[mclay18]

Yeah, 4 does have a DTV quality to it for some reason.

They shot it on 35mm stock and I agree some of the darker scenes (like when Anthony Anderson gets it) it has a darker, grainy haze to it.

 

[Nardz937]

Scream 4 has a weird look, like they rubbed vaseline on the lens.

 

[The Shape]

Scream 4 has a weird look, like they rubbed vaseline on the lens.

Exactly. Really horrible in some scenes.

 

[The Joker]

Scream 4 has a weird look, like they rubbed vaseline on the lens.

That is an excellent description of it.

 

[Steve003]

I really would like to know what Craven and Demming's reasons were for Scream 4 looking the way it did. I get wanting to update it a bit and maybe separate it slightly from the first 3 but they went in such a weird direction visually. I have never heard them talk about it.

I'm very glad the new directors are using the DP of Ready or Not. A very good looking film all around and hopefully the new Scream follows suit.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I’d think Bob Weinstein was involved in meddling with the look in some way. Apparently he and Kevin Williamson had some big fights about the direction of the script and then reshoots. I’m sure Wes had to deal with that too, but just kept it private.

You’d think after Cursed they’d learn their lesson.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Loosely Scream related, but thought those that care might be interested.

I love what-ifs in the movie-verse.

Thoughts On The Original (!) Version Of CURSED

Among "can't miss" prospects, few in horror history ever seemed as promising as when it was announced that Wes Craven and Kevin Williamson would reteam for a werewolf film in the same vein as their original SCREAM, the trend-setting slasher that continues to draw audiences and inspire horror filmmakers today, 25 years later. Unfortunately, that resulting followup, aptly named CURSED, would be met with total indifference when it was released in February of 2005, grossing less than even the SCREAM wannabes that their previous success had inspired. Hell, it didn't even outgross (the much cheaper) AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN PARIS, which was lambasted by critics as trying to be "the SCREAM version" of a werewolf movie.

So what happened? Well that story could make for a full article itself, and I can't ask you to be here all day reading this, so I'll just sum up. The short version is that Craven and Williamson may have put Bob Weinstein's Dimension on the map, but it didn't mean they would be trusted and left alone by the notoriously reshoot/re-edit prone producer. With about 90% of the film shot and assembled, the slightly less awful of the two Weinsteins decided he wasn't happy with the results and ordered reshoots, the extent of which meant having to overhaul much of the cast as well, as some weren't available to return or simply didn't fit into the new version. So out went Skeet Ulrich, Mandy Moore, Wilmer Valderrama, Omar Epps, Robert Forster (...it might be easier to just list the handful who DID return than the ones who didn't), and in came Mya, Joshua Jackson, Nick Offerman, Michael Rosenbaum, and a different werewolf to boot. Nothing against those new performers, but come on - on what planet does someone think they're making a movie *better* by REMOVING Robert Forster?

 

[Doctor Jones]

I read the original script. The structure is still mostly there but it's much superior. They gutted a much better movie. It was very Williamson. Very fun and clever and he once again gets you as to who the culprit is. Don't touch that man's writing.

 

[Kev4000]

I read the original script. The structure is still mostly there but it's much superior. They gutted a much better movie. It was very Williamson. Very fun and clever and he once again gets you as to who the culprit is. Don't touch that man's writing.

Im really curious where all this scripts get leaked, I read so often that scripts from movies are readed already and I still ask myself: How can this happen?

 

[antsman41]

Especially since the gel look was so 1980ish horror ala Friday The 13th Part II and the countless knockoffs before 1984.