The Amazing Spider-Man Script Re-Write

[SpeterMan3]

They should let me do a rewrite.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Ive lost all hope for SM4. Its most likely either gonna bomb in the Box Office or not even get made.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I think you are missing the point. 1st, Peter never was the boy next door, 2nd, both Topher & Tobey rande of characters are limited, finally, Shia has the persona of Peter just by being Shia. Besides... Tobey looks nothing like Peter Parker.

Not to be rude, but the bolded portion alone shows that you don't really understand the character of Spider-man. Stan Lee has specifically stated that he created Peter to be the "guy next door." He wanted him to be the average-joe character that his readers could relate to. Not an orphaned billionaire or an alien from another planet. A normal guy.

And Tobey and Topher both look more like Pete than Shia does. Again, I'm not hating on Shia. I'm one of the few people that actually liked him in Indy 4, but looks-wise he's just not the right look for Peter Parker, and while I don't doubt that he could play the humor, his humour is a bit too punkish, if you can understand that. Topher's humor on 70's show fit the character much more in my opinion.

I don't know why so many hate the guy(not saying you), but he would have been a better Peter/Spidey than Tobey... and again, Topher does not even factor in. He's a goofball, and that's not Peter Parker. Look at the full range of the character and you would see that Shia fits the bill much better than those guys.

....Again, I'm not sure you understand the character of Spider-man. Spider-man is a very funny character, and the quick wit is exactly the kind of humor Topher had on that 70's show. And Pete has always been a bit of a goofball. At heart, Pete's a dorky guy.

 

[Spiderine]

Spider-man 2 went through a lot of writers and it's possible that each writer's take differed significantly from one another. I remember in 2002, after Spider-man 1 came out it seemed every other month someone else was being hired to re-write the Spider-man 2 script.

First the writing team of Al Gough and Miles Millar were hired. Smallville was just finishing its successful first season and that seemed like a good fit. Then David Koepp, who received sole writing credit on the first film (he wrote multiple drafts followed by uncredited rewrites done by Alvin Sargent and Scot Rosenberg), said he had a great idea and Sony agreed to let him do a first draft that Gough and Millar would then rewrite. According to a SHH report, Koepp's scrip focused on the continuation of the Goblin saga and introduced Gwen Stacy. This is supported by Michael Chabon's comments that early drafts featured Harry becoming the second Green Goblin and by Grant Curtis' comments on the Spider-man 3 commentary about how the Stacys "almost snuck into Spider-man 2."

Gough & Millar wrote a draft or two. They claim they came up with the idea of giving Doc Ock a wife and an inhibitor chip, and basically his whole character arc. They also said they invented the Peter/MJ/John Jameson triangle. The Black Cat also appeared in their version it seems.

Then Michael Chabon. When Spider-man 3 opened and he was asked why he didn't "save" the script like he did for Spider-man 2, he responded that he wasn't asked but he proceeded to compare Spider-man 3 to early drafts of Spider-man 2 which had Doc Ock, Black Cat, the Lizard, and Harry as the second Green Goblin. He was the first writer to feature Doc Ock as the sole villain. Unfortunately, his script still wasn't very good. His draft had certain scenes that were used in the film (the pizza delivery, the "this is heavy scene", a few others) but the story was significantly different. It has an altered version of the Spider-man no more story where Peter looses his powers by injecting a microchip into his arm.

The most signicant difference is Doc Ock, both in characterization and story. Here Doc Oc is portrayed much younger than usual and develops a crush on Mary Jane. He wears his tentacles for pleasure and only halfway through the script, during the train fight, do they bond to him. Now he is dying and he needs Spider-man's bone marrow to live. This alone is good enough reason not to use the draft.

Harry is also portrayed as a drug addict like in the comics but there is a sub plot involving him putting a bounty on Spider-man's head. Both unused storylines are the ones Avi Arad mentions on the DVD documentary.

Finally Alvin Sargent wrote the final drafts with input from Sam and Ivan Raimi using the best ideas from the various writers. Hence the final credits read "Story by Alfred Gough & Miles Millar and Michael Chabon, Screenplay by Alvin Sargent".

Thank you for the explanation. Didn't know about all the various concepts that were almost introduced. I hope they keep SM4 simplified.

 

[chaseter]

Ive lost all hope for SM4. Its most likely either gonna bomb in the Box Office or not even get made.

I haven't lost all hope yet but you are crazy if you think it isn't going to get made. It is getting made, it will get made. It will also not bomb at the box office. It could be pure crap but it will still make a profit. You are absolutely 100% wrong.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

I haven't lost all hope yet but you are crazy if you think it isn't going to get made. It is getting made, it will get made. It will also not bomb at the box office. It could be pure crap but it will still make a profit. You are absolutely 100% wrong.

just look at trasnformers 2 for confirmation!
i totally havent lost faith in SM4....they can recover...they just gotta have the right story...
also i think its hilarious how that guy thinks tobey looks nothing like peter parker but suggests shia haha

 

[Venom'sDad]

Not to be rude, but the bolded portion alone shows that you don't really understand the character of Spider-man. Stan Lee has specifically stated that he created Peter to be the "guy next door." He wanted him to be the average-joe character that his readers could relate to. Not an orphaned billionaire or an alien from another planet. A normal guy.

I am aware of that quote; I should have worded it differently. I am saying Peter was not created to be a Choirboy or Saint. However, that's all Stan was saying as well, comparing Peter to Clark & Bruce. Stan decided the best route was that of a normal guy who has to provide a living for himself; not use his wealth to combat crime; and intuitively human, not some great Savior. The "guy next door" in comparison to those two.

And Tobey and Topher both look more like Pete than Shia does. Again, I'm not hating on Shia. I'm one of the few people that actually liked him in Indy 4, but looks-wise he's just not the right look for Peter Parker,

Look, you are implying I believe the opposite. I don't; and, I never said Shia looks more like Pete than anybody, including T&T. I just said Tobey looks nothing like Peter. None of them does... that's the point. If anyone look closer to Stan Lee's Peter, it would be James Franco.

and while I don't doubt that he could play the humor, his humour is a bit too punkish, if you can understand that. Topher's humor on 70's show fit the character much more in my opinion.

Shia has a boyish charm with women that draw them to him. That is the same charm that Peter has. Topher's 70's character is afraid and unsure in his approach... even with his own girlfriend. I don't see how that is similar. Peter have had numerous of woman(popular/in-crowd women) in his life for people to be calling him a nerd or geek.

Shia is witty and clever, and can be arrogant and smart alec at times... again, very similiar to both Peter/Spidey ego's. Topher's 70's character is just snobbish, which Peter is not. Peter was also pretty hip in his time... as Shia characters are now. There is nothing hip about any of Topher characters. Shia characters can hold his own against the likes of Eugene "Flash" Thomson; Topher 70's.... maybe.

I just don't see the comparison. Shia is a much better fit that Topher. Doesn't really matter since neither one will ever see that role. Tobey fits the criteria that Sam wanted, for his adaption.... but that's not to say he fits the character as established by Stan Lee.

Pete has always been a bit of a goofball. At heart, Pete's a dorky guy.

No he has not.... that is not true. I don't know where this idea come from. I think many of you associate that idea because of his high degree of intelligence for a teenager. How can one be witty and a dork at the same time. He is not goofy. Dude... you are showing your lack of understanding of the character.

 

[Smit84]

Thank you for the explanation. Didn't know about all the various concepts that were almost introduced. I hope they keep SM4 simplified.

I probably gave more information than was needed lol but I find it interesting. The script they filmed certainly felt simplified and you wouldn't think so many writers worked on it. In interviews, Raimi implied that the reason so many writers were involved was so that they could gather lots of ideas.

I always felt like the first movie started the series but the second film established the formula. Imagine how daunting it must've been to write the second one after the first one used the most natural storylines (the origin and the Goblin saga).

 

[Leenie]

Script re-writes happen all of the time (that's why they call them DRAFTS, after all).

I think this is a good thing. It means that everyone involved in the project is wanting to take good care of the final product.

 

[LightningFlash]

just look at trasnformers 2 for confirmation!
i totally havent lost faith in SM4....they can recover...they just gotta have the right story...
also i think its hilarious how that guy thinks tobey looks nothing like peter parker but suggests shia haha

Yes, but the thing is that TF2 had little to no plot, but was exciting to watch. If Spider-Man 4 is a replica of Spider-Man 3, then it might make money, but it'll make money off of the fanboys only because of Spider-Man(which I can't understand as Raimi created a boring-as-hell Spidey...now TSSM, THAT'S a hilarious Spider-Man), when it'll have no action, no adventure, too much unnecessary drama and an awful plot.

 

[dark_b]

when are they starting to film?

 

[chaseter]

Probably start principal this fall and begin filming early next year. Since they can't nail down a script, I doubt filming starts this year.

 

[Kanon]

Sam Raimi signed to direct the World of Warcraft movie, and the press release from Blizzard says the plan is to start working when Raimi is done with Spidey 4... Wasn't 4 & 5 meant to be filmed back to back? if they were planning that, could the re-writes be made to change SM4 into a self contained movie, no cliffhanger and loose ends?

 

[Eggyman]

Sam Raimi signed to direct the World of Warcraft movie, and the press release from Blizzard says the plan is to start working when Raimi is done with Spidey 4... Wasn't 4 & 5 meant to be filmed back to back? if they were planning that, could the re-writes be made to change SM4 into a self contained movie, no cliffhanger and loose ends?

I think the back-to-back idea was simply that: an idea. It's been dismissed since from what I remember.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Yep, you're right. Sam said it himself.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Thank God that the case then. We all know what happens to movies that are filmed back to back. Matrix and Pirates anybody?

 

[zeptron]

Thank God that the case then. We all know what happens to movies that are filmed back to back. Matrix and Pirates anybody?

What about the Lord Of The Rings trilogy? I haven't seen them, but I've been unlike the two trilogies you mentioned I've been hearing mostly positive things.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Ive lost all hope for SM4. Its most likely either gonna bomb in the Box Office or not even get made.

Little faith.

 

[dark_b]

Thank God that the case then. We all know what happens to movies that are filmed back to back. Matrix and Pirates anybody?

what about LOTR and back to the future?

 

[Sentinel X]

Ive lost all hope for SM4. Its most likely either gonna bomb in the Box Office or not even get made.

Wait....what!? We hardly know ANYTHING about this movie yet

 

[dark_b]

Wait....what!? We hardly know ANYTHING about this movie yet

we know that while Raimi will think about warcraft while filming SM4.

fans said that it was Arads fault for SM3. now fans will say that it was Warcraft .

 

[zeptron]

what about LOTR and back to the future?

The Back To The Future trilogy was filmed back to back?

EDIT: NVM. Don't answer that. Just looked it up.

we know that while Raimi will think about warcraft while filming SM4.

fans said that it was Arads fault for SM3. now fans will say that it was Warcraft .

Both of them are at fault for the things wrong with SM3. Arad for forcing Venom down are throats when Raimi didn't wanna use him and Raimi for writing unnecessary scenes instead of focusing on the villains.

 

[Kanon]

Raimi had enough power in SM3 (after two super succesful movies) to say "no" to Venom, or other "forced" suggestions...

Not trashing Raimi, he is a cool guy, and probably he just wanted to keep an open mind, hear the fans, etc, and included Venom into the story... But it is still Raimi's fault too...

 

[SpaceWay2009]

Sam Raimi signed to direct the World of Warcraft movie, and the press release from Blizzard says the plan is to start working when Raimi is done with Spidey 4... Wasn't 4 & 5 meant to be filmed back to back? if they were planning that, could the re-writes be made to change SM4 into a self contained movie, no cliffhanger and loose ends?

You may be right. I hope Spider-Man 4 won't be the last movie of the franchise.

 

[luke1234]

Im glad there just going to do one more film with Raimi. I think shooting two back to back is way too much for him. All he needs is one great film for his redemption.