Script Rundown- Bigtime Spoilers

[TheSlag]

If the script is true, and basically I think it is, with some minor changes betwen this original draft and the shooting draft... obviously with Banner jumping out of the helicopter to confront Abomination... the cure is not a cure.

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

Hoping the origin is barely even mentioned. Why confuse the masses any more than you have to, given that the whole cast is already a sort of re-boot. More importantly, everyone going to see this knows the Hulk. No need to re-hash or reinvent the wheel once again.

you're damn right, man!

 

[L0ngsh0t]

OK, THE SCRIPT IS AWESOME, THERE'S ONLY 2 THINGS I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT!!! 1) THE ORIGIN, I WANT A GAMMA BOMB EXPLOSION, WHICH BRINGS ME TO #2) AND I WANT BRUCE TO SAVE RICK JONES'S LIFE, HONESTLY, IS THAT TO MUCH TO ASK!!! WHAT I HAVE JUST DESCRIBED IS ABOUT 10 SECONDS OF THE INTRO TO THE INCREDIBLE HULK ANIMATED SERIES FROM THE EARLY 80'S, IF THEY CAN DO IT IN 10 SECONDS, HOLLYWOOD CAN DO A FLASHBACK OR A DREAM SEQUENCE AND GIVE US THE GAMMA BOMB AND RICK JONES!!! THE HULK NOT HAVING RICK IS LIKE SPIDEY WITHOUT AUNT MAY, BATMAN WITHOUT ALFRED, SUPERMAN WITHOUT JIMMY OLSEN, YOU GET THE POINT!!! ANYWAYS I'VE SAID MY PIECE, I HOPE THEY ADD THESE THINGS BUT NEVER THE LESS I'LL BE IN THE THEATER OPENING DAY!!!up:

do u have the script and would you send it too me if you have it?

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

I'm trying to pal.

Seriously, you sound defeated. What ever happened to just showing up at a movie and enjoying it? I mean, at the very least, there's enough positive energy here that you could borrow some of ours. And this "draft" isn't even official anyway. You act like it's the end of the world.

And 24 had already vested the viewer's interest in the characters before going to this approach. The Hulk, had not.

I thought they used the wipes from the beginning. Oh well.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Seriously, you sound defeated. What ever happened to just showing up at a movie and enjoying it? I mean, at the very least, there's enough positive energy here that you could borrow some of ours. And this "draft" isn't even official anyway. You act like it's the end of the world.

Well, the first movie let me down. Lizards, star fish, nanomeds and what not, zapped by some gamma for good measure all comming together to make the Hulk I said EEEK! Now this. Yeah I'm let down BIG TIME. I was hoping that they'd give us the Gamma Bomb in one form or another. No silly DNA crap making up the Hulk just the Hulk comming from the bomb. There's where he is was born. An Uncontrollable force giving birth to an Uncontrollable force. The power and fury of the Gamma bomb all bottled up inside Banner waiting to blow. A guy at Hulkmovie.com said it best "The hulk is a gamma bomb with leggs." I was really hoping to see this come to life. Now I just bummed.

 

[Golgo-13]

Well, the first movie let me down. Lizards, star fish, nanomeds and what not, zapped by some gamma for good measure all comming together to make the Hulk I said EEEK! Now this. Yeah I'm let down BIG TIME. I was hoping that they'd give us the Gamma Bomb in one form or another. No silly DNA crap making up the Hulk just the Hulk comming from the bomb. There's where he is was born. An Uncontrollable force giving birth to an Uncontrollable force. The power and fury of the Gamma bomb all bottled up inside Banner waiting to blow. A guy at Hulkmovie.com said it best "The hulk is a gamma bomb with leggs." I was really hoping to see this come to life. Now I just bummed.

Me too, to an extent. I was really looking forward to the Gamma Bonb, now we're getting some super soldier serum.... : I'm sure this movie will be wwwwaaaaayyyyyy better than Ang's crapfest (which isn't hard) but once agian, i'm sad there's no bomb.


What i do like is that Banners blood is poisonous to others. Don't remember that being the case in any past incarnations of the Hulk. I always thought that Banners blood appeared normal, until adrenaline was introduced and that it was just his Pituitary gland that was poisoned by the Gamma radiadion overdose, thus the change occurring when he gets emotionally riled up....

 

[GNR]

One thing ppl are forgetting is that Norton has been reworking the script as they film,so chances are,this is not the final draft,but close.

 

[Mike_D202]

I think when Norton jumps out of the helicopter, he'll turn into the gray hulk.

 

[Cracker Jack]

What i do like is that Banners blood is poisonous to others. Don't remember that being the case in any past incarnations of the Hulk. I always thought that Banners blood appeared normal, until adrenaline was introduced and that it was just his Pituitary gland that was poisoned by the Gamma radiadion overdose, thus the change occurring when he gets emotionally riled up....

Yeah that is strange but, like you, I thought "There's a twist that's pretty cool." actually there are a several things I like about the script summary. But there's always a sticking point isn't there

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

From what i could gather from scripts spoilers, the scripts suck.
I can´t even start to think what is going on with some of you guys, but i think that you are so willing for it to go right, you can´t even look at it with proper eyes.
But, like i said, this is what i can gather from the spoilers in the articles, so, in the movie, it might be totally diferent.

The reason why Ross finds Banner in Brazil is just ridiculous "Later, Bruce helps the factory owner repair a machine. He cuts himself, a few drops of blood landing on the bottle conveyer belt. Bruce quickly cleans it up, but misses a drop that landed in a bottle…Later, at the office of GENERAL THUNDERBOLT ROSS, MAJOR CABOT reports that a woman got gamma sickness from a South American soda."

The simple idea of Banner, one of the most intelligent persons in the world, having help to find the cure is stupid to say the least.
But even more when that helper is someone he doesn´t know, which means that he is talking with some stranger about the fact that he changes into a green goliath.
This is just moronic.
And better yet, Sterns actually "finds" a cure, which just shows how average Banner is as a scientist.

Blonksky´s progressive change until becaming the Abomination is so cliché is not even funny.

And there is more.....

 

[Golgo-13]

Yeah that is strange but, like you, I thought "There's a twist that's pretty cool." actually there are a several things I like about the script summary. But there's always a sticking point isn't there

Also, if She-Hulk is introduced, how are they gonna go with the whole blood transfusion origin if his blood makes others sick? I guess now they have to change her origin (if she's introduced) too.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Well, the first movie let me down. Lizards, star fish, nanomeds and what not, zapped by some gamma for good measure all comming together to make the Hulk I said EEEK! Now this. Yeah I'm let down BIG TIME. I was hoping that they'd give us the Gamma Bomb in one form or another. No silly DNA crap making up the Hulk just the Hulk comming from the bomb. There's where he is was born. An Uncontrollable force giving birth to an Uncontrollable force. The power and fury of the Gamma bomb all bottled up inside Banner waiting to blow. A guy at Hulkmovie.com said it best "The hulk is a gamma bomb with leggs." I was really hoping to see this come to life. Now I just bummed.

Yeah, I know... it kind of depresses me too. But am I going to allow that to define my whole experience? No way! Come on, you CAN'T allow that to dominate you. You're a Hulk fan; you know better. lol And do you really think they would completely abandon the gamma origins? I'm thinking FrostBite(?) was on to something when he suggested that maybe the script was referring to Bruce's dad experimenting with the serum, as shown in the first movie. Or do you reject that part of the first movie also? I mean, there's almost TOO many reasons to be excited. Lizards, starfish, iguanas, cacti... how can you not get up for these things? I'm personally hoping for cows, geese, salamanders, parakeets, polar bears and whatever other Arctic, Canadian and South American wildlife exists to find their way into the movie. lol

The simple idea of Banner, one of the most intelligent persons in the world, having help to find the cure is stupid to say the least. But even more when that helper is someone he doesn´t know, which means that he is talking with some stranger about the fact that he changes into a green goliath. This is just moronic. And better yet, Sterns actually "finds" a cure, which just shows how average Banner is as a scientist.

Blonksky´s progressive change until becaming the Abomination is so cliché is not even funny.

And there is more.....

Well, Sterns is the Leader. DUH. He should be smarter than Banner. And it's not like Banner has 24-7 access to a laboratory where he can perform all the tests he needs. DUH. As for the stranger, what the hell do you expect - a close family relative with whom Banner already has close established ties? He's a man on the run. You're going to trust whoever has the answers and those answers aren't likely to come easy. DUH. The Abomination - would you rather have him pop out fully manifested in one scene at the beginning of the movie? How do you keep the audience interested if you do that? DUH.

Yeah, I like how you propose no other solutions. "This is just moronic," but you apparently are a genius. I'm not impressed. Find some other script to rip on in cowardly fashion.

 

[tamron]

Well, Sterns is the Leader. DUH. He should be smarter than Banner.

I'm pretty sure that Sterns was a HS dropout, and of average intelligence prior to his gamma exposure. At least in the 616. Is there an Ulitmate Leader or something? I don't read the Ult. line.

 

[HulkStomps!]

Despite the not having the gamma explosion, or Rick Jones, I dig it!

Even though I was hoping for a bit of buddy film stuff. I think it would cool to do some charecter range for Hulks acting, where Rick jones is playing off the Hulk's banter, the way you'd normally see in buddy films. With that 70% friction, 30% friendship. That starts to change as they get to know each other and become best friends. Then Banner decides it's getting way to dangerous for Rick to be around him and ditches Rick.

If they could just do this along with the already existing script.

Aw well, I'm still a Hulk fan, and I get to see the essential charecter of the Hulk doing what he does best! So stop yer whinnin, and support this movie, cause it's going to be great! You can't have EVERYTHING you want!

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

DUH. As for the stranger, what the hell do you expect - a close family relative with whom Banner already has close established ties? He's a man on the run.

I´m not even going to bother replying, except this one....
Next time, before you go all defensive of a scritpt you haven´t read, but because it´s called Hulk, has to be good, think a bit.

Like you said, Banner is a man on the run, which means that he is running from something.
So, NO, he is not going to trust any stranger that say that has the cure, a stranger that can be working with whoever Banner is running from, or going to tell someone and the information might fall into anyone ears.
Someone needs to be really stupid to trust a stranger when he is on the run, and stupid is not really Banner middle name.
And, then again, he is a scientist, he has connections and knows people on the business, he doesn´t need someone he doesn´t know to find the cure.

The all Sterns bit is nothing more than a sorry excuse to introduce The Leader and have someone "create" the Abomination.

 

[TheSlag]

I thought they used the wipes from the beginning. Oh well.

I think they basically did, but what I'm saying is it was most effective after they had established the characters... after we had vested an interest in them.

Ang's Hulk never even came close to vesting interest in the characters, for me at least.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I think when Norton jumps out of the helicopter, he'll turn into the gray hulk.

that maybe and that would be cool

but doesn't grey hulk have less strength and ability? I would think he needs all he can have to defeat the abomination

 

[TheSlag]

From what i could gather from scripts spoilers, the scripts suck.
I can´t even start to think what is going on with some of you guys, but i think that you are so willing for it to go right, you can´t even look at it with proper eyes.
But, like i said, this is what i can gather from the spoilers in the articles, so, in the movie, it might be totally diferent.

The reason why Ross finds Banner in Brazil is just ridiculous "Later, Bruce helps the factory owner repair a machine. He cuts himself, a few drops of blood landing on the bottle conveyer belt. Bruce quickly cleans it up, but misses a drop that landed in a bottle…Later, at the office of GENERAL THUNDERBOLT ROSS, MAJOR CABOT reports that a woman got gamma sickness from a South American soda."

The simple idea of Banner, one of the most intelligent persons in the world, having help to find the cure is stupid to say the least.
But even more when that helper is someone he doesn´t know, which means that he is talking with some stranger about the fact that he changes into a green goliath.
This is just moronic.
And better yet, Sterns actually "finds" a cure, which just shows how average Banner is as a scientist.

Blonksky´s progressive change until becaming the Abomination is so cliché is not even funny.

And there is more.....

You don't think that the Govt/Military would have alerts set up for Gama Radiation Poisoning of any kind with all the hospitals... in an attempt to isolate and find Banner? Makes sense to me.

And Banner relying on "another's" help is stictly a plot ploy to bring in the Leader down the road, but regardless, does not limit the intelligence of Banner, it shows the desperation, and lack of equipment/materials that he faces as fugitive. An Excellent way to get across IMO.

Abomination slowly turning into what he is... is cliche? Your kidding... right? Again, I like it cause it is all about the tease, the character development. If done right, it will be MUCH more effective than a Wam-Bam-Thank-You-Maam... instant transformation from Blonsky to Abomination. Character development... I'm ALL for that.

 

[Freakout]

Something I haven't seen mentioned. Blonsky is injected with what we are lead believe to be the same serum Bruce injected himself with yet it never turned him into a big green monster. So something is left out because the serum itself doesn't turn you into the Hulk. Just maybe there is a gamma explosion and the only reason Bruce survives and becomes the Hulk is because of the injection.

I mean think for a second. The woman dies from a simple drop of Bruce's gamma infected yet deluted blood yet Blonsky manages to survive a complete injection? The serum is the only tie in.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

I'm pretty sure that Sterns was a HS dropout, and of average intelligence prior to his gamma exposure. At least in the 616. Is there an Ulitmate Leader or something? I don't read the Ult. line.

Well, the IESB script describes Sterns as "a cellular biologist trying to help Bruce," so I think we can assume for the sake of this movie that he starts out more intelligent than a h.s. dropout. Not everything has to follow the comics, people.

I'm not even going to bother replying, except this one....

Next time, before you go all defensive of a scritpt you haven't read, but because it's called Hulk, has to be good, think a bit.

I have read the script. I follow this s*** religiously. You? This is the first time I've seen you around here.

Like you said, Banner is a man on the run, which means that he is running from something.

So, NO, he is not going to trust any stranger that say that has the cure, a stranger that can be working with whoever Banner is running from, or going to tell someone and the information might fall into anyone ears. Someone needs to be really stupid to trust a stranger when he is on the run, and stupid is not really Banner middle name.

And, then again, he is a scientist, he has connections and knows people on the business, he doesn´t need someone he doesn´t know to find the cure.

I see what you're saying, but rather than just attack the script's integrity, I like to think there's a good reason why Banner happens to trust this guy, Sterns. Again, he's on the run, and when you're on the run, you can't just call up your friends whose phone lines are going to be tapped by Ross. I mean, if you go back to one of my earlier posts, you'll find we actually agree that it's a little bit ridiculous that Ross is able to find Banner because a drop of his blood gets into a soda that is subsequently consumed by some woman. But hey, anything is fair game and it does have that quality of one-chance-in-a-million, so I can allow for it.

But getting back to the matter at hand, when you're desperate for a cure - and we know Banner is - you're going to be a little more lax with your system of trust on the basis that you can't afford to remain in complete 100% isolation. I mean, how ridiculous is that - a fugitive Banner whose search for a cure is reliant entirely upon his own limited resources? Reason he's got to take a few risks somewhere and, heaven forbid, involve other people. And, for the purposes of the movie, who's to say Banner doesn't know Sterns previously as a colleague in the field anyway?

The all Sterns bit is nothing more than a sorry excuse to introduce The Leader and have someone "create" the Abomination.

Again, what's your solution? Oh, that's right, you don't have any. Well, Sterns just happens to be one of Hulk's main nemeses and I have no problem with the way they introduce him. I mean, we're only talking an introduction - he has to enter somewhere. And, really, at some point we have to admit everything is contrived, isn't it? They're trying to make an interesting story for Pete's sake. Do you wish there was no Sterns at all?

I think they basically did, but what I'm saying is it was most effective after they had established the characters... after we had vested an interest in them.

Ang's Hulk never even came close to vesting interest in the characters, for me at least.

Hmm... I agree, but if they started the wipes in Season 1 (before 24 had established any rapport with its viewers or had any reputation at all), then it stands to reason that Hulk was in the same boat with moviegoers and it was simply a matter of whether those moviegoers would like the effect or not. But yeah, it's kind of hard to start a trend and simultaneously expect people to buy into it. A trend only becomes a trend once people have begun to follow it. And wipes were never a trend. It was simply an effect that Ang chose to use.

Something I haven't seen mentioned. Blonsky is injected with what we are lead believe to be the same serum Bruce injected himself with yet it never turned him into a big green monster.

Two false assumptions: 1.) Bruce takes the serum and 2.) Blonsky takes a concentrated dose. The script isn't clear about either of these things.

I mean think for a second. The woman dies from a simple drop of Bruce's gamma infected yet deluted blood yet Blonsky manages to survive a complete injection? The serum is the only tie in.

No, she doesn't. Go back and read the scripts.

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

I like what I'm hearing. Sounds like a good story, lots of action, and less pretension than Lee's Hulk.

 

[samsnee]

So the first time we see Bruce's first full transformation is once again in darkness? What I didn't like about Lee's film is that it took forever to see the Hulk, and when you did, it was all so dark. I admit, this script synopsis doesn't get me excited. It's not horrible, but nothing really jumps out for me.

 

[Freakout]

Well, the IESB script describes Sterns as "a cellular biologist trying to help Bruce," so I think we can assume for the sake of this movie that he starts out more intelligent than a h.s. dropout. Not everything has to follow the comics, people.



I have read the script. I follow this s*** religiously. You? This is the first time I've seen you around here.



I see what you're saying, but rather than just attack the script's integrity, I like to think there's a good reason why Banner happens to trust this guy, Sterns. Again, he's on the run, and when you're on the run, you can't just call up your friends whose phone lines are going to be tapped by Ross. I mean, if you go back to one of my earlier posts, you'll find we actually agree that it's a little bit ridiculous that Ross is able to find Banner because a drop of his blood gets into a soda that is subsequently consumed by some woman. But hey, anything is fair game and it does have that quality of one-chance-in-a-million, so I can allow for it.

But getting back to the matter at hand, when you're desperate for a cure - and we know Banner is - you're going to be a little more lax with your system of trust on the basis that you can't afford to remain in complete 100% isolation. I mean, how ridiculous is that - a fugitive Banner whose search for a cure is reliant entirely upon his own limited resources? Reason he's got to take a few risks somewhere and, heaven forbid, involve other people. And, for the purposes of the movie, who's to say Banner doesn't know Sterns previously as a colleague in the field anyway?



Again, what's your solution? Oh, that's right, you don't have any. Well, Sterns just happens to be one of Hulk's main nemeses and I have no problem with the way they introduce him. I mean, we're only talking an introduction - he has to enter somewhere. And, really, at some point we have to admit everything is contrived, isn't it? They're trying to make an interesting story for Pete's sake. Do you wish there was no Sterns at all?



Hmm... I agree, but if they started the wipes in Season 1 (before 24 had established any rapport with its viewers or had any reputation at all), then it stands to reason that Hulk was in the same boat with moviegoers and it was simply a matter of whether those moviegoers would like the effect or not. But yeah, it's kind of hard to start a trend and simultaneously expect people to buy into it. A trend only becomes a trend once people have begun to follow it. And wipes were never a trend. It was simply an effect that Ang chose to use.



Two false assumptions: 1.) Bruce takes the serum and 2.) Blonsky takes a concentrated dose. The script isn't clear about either of these things.



No, she doesn't. Go back and read the scripts.

Ok she doesn't die.

I guess the fact that she ALMOST DIES still proves my point.

Ross and his team fly away in a chopper, happy that they’ve finally caught him. But back at the lab, the steroid-filled Blonsky forces Sterns to inject him with Bruce’s DNA.

I don't see how you can get more concentrated than that.

Ross explains that Banner was part of an early experiment to create super soldier serum, but the funding was running out. In the eleventh hour of the project, Banner was so certain of his research that he tested it on himself – that’s when everything went to hell.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm clearly basing my idea off of what we have been shown.

 

[Golgo-13]

I'm also concerned about the opening scenes description of Banner being surrounded by green. I hope his transformations don't start off with him glowing green. That sounds really cartoony and campy....

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Ok she doesn't die.

I guess the fact that she ALMOST DIES still proves my point.

I don't see how you can get more concentrated than that.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm clearly basing my idea off of what we have been shown.

Don't give me the rolleyes. I quoted "almost dies" from the IESB review of the script. The LR article says the woman only got "gamma sickness." Do we know that Blonsky doesn't experience any sickness himself?

About the concentrated dose, I think you're ignoring a whole lot of quoted material that plays into it all:

"Ross tells Blonsky that Banner is a scientist, not a soldier, and that he doesn’t understand that the power he holds belongs to the U.S. and should be used as a weapon. Ross then asks Blonsky if he’d be willing to take a shot of the serum, to have an edge against Banner when they face off again. Blonsky is more than willing. ...

"... Betty pleads with her father to leave him alone, but Ross refuses to listen. The Hulk faces off against Blonsky, stronger and faster than before, but still no match for Bruce’s alter ego. Badly wounded, the Hulk escapes with Betty, leaving behind a trail of destruction and a nearly-dead Blonsky. ...

"...Back at the hospital, Blonsky has made a remarkable recovery – not only has he healed entirely, but he is stronger and healthier than before. Ross gives him more shots and Blonsky smiles, a little too happy with his power."

Only then do we finally get this:

"Ross and his team fly away in a chopper, happy that they’ve finally caught him. But back at the lab, the steroid-filled Blonsky forces Sterns to inject him with Bruce’s DNA."

So your argument flies in the face of the fact that Blonsky never took a full dose from the get-go. Instead, he was gradually getting there, which isn't any stretch of the imagination.

And again, about Banner testing the serum on himself, I appeal to FrostBite's proposition that the script could be referring to David Banner, his dad... which would align perfectly with the first movie. There are things in the LR article that don't add up (Major Cabot?), nor are consistent with the IESB review (which says almost nothing about the serum), so I don't think it's out of the question.

But please... no rolleyes. All of us are in the dark and the last thing we need is people jumping to conclusions that simply aren't there.