Season 6, Episode 9 "Battle of the Bastards" Discussion Thread

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Unofficial, fan-made Game of Thrones: Ep. 9 Extended Trailer "Battle of the Bastards"
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Epic fan trailer.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

I've been a little disappointed that Jon hasn't consulted her further on anything. Like... she's the reason he's back. Beyond that, it was the Lord of Light's magic that brought him back. R'hllor is the reason he is alive, and he is the reason that Jon can help retake Winterfell, and he is the reason that Jon can try to defeat the White Walkers. But so far Jon hasn't consulted R'hllor's Red Priestess on... anything!

But Davos will probably be pissed at her anyway, since she convinced Stannis to burn Shireen. I don't know if she'll survive this episode, or maybe she will flee.

EDIT: I'm just saying, if Mel is capable of doing what she has done, and we've seen the proof of her doing it, then why doesn't anybody want more out of her?

Neither Jon nor Mel have recovered from the fallout of last season. They are still hungover and shells of their former selves this season so far... it seems. Both have needed pushing and prodding to do anything.

I believe Davos will begin to suspect Shireen's fate, but he still lacks any real evidence. And we musn't forget this:

So I don't think Davos axes her anytime soon. I also believe the victory she saw in the flames with herself walking the ramparts of Winterfell and the Bolton banners lowered pertains to this battle instead of Stannis', and will count as another accurate prophetic vision.

I wish we knew what other tricks she has up her sleeve, and not everything in her repertoire necessarily requires a full human sacrifice: the leeches, the shadow assassin, the resurrection, etc. It would be great if she can make a wall of flame into the Bolton ranks!

 

[Schlosser85]

It'd be nice to see Melisandre do something productive again.

 

[Victarion]

I'm surprised she hasn't been at the forefront since her whole thing's been fighting against the Long Night.

 

[Marvolo]

Yeah you'd think Jon and Mel would turn to each other. Being resurrected by someone seems like the sort of thing that would create a bond between two people.

Frankly the fact Jon has been so entirely blasé about his resurrection and the way the show has swept it under the rug has been underwhelming as ****. Its been about as epic as a squeeky fart.

 

[Victarion]

Does Jon's voice sound funny to ya'll? I noticed it in the trailer for episode 9, and I think Kit's going for world-weary and worn. But it still sounds odd.

 

[TJByrum]

Does Jon's voice sound funny to ya'll? I noticed it in the trailer for episode 9, and I think Kit's going for world-weary and worn. But it still sounds odd.

Never trust trailers. It doesn't matter who you think said that, for whatever reason; it may be an entirely different person in an entirely different situation, for entirely different reasons.

 

[Victarion]

Jon's been talking like that ever since he came back. It was just more evident in the trailer.

 

[Matt]

Neither Jon nor Mel have recovered from the fallout of last season. They are still hungover and shells of their former selves this season so far... it seems. Both have needed pushing and prodding to do anything.

I believe Davos will begin to suspect Shireen's fate, but he still lacks any real evidence. And we musn't forget this:

So I don't think Davos axes her anytime soon. I also believe the victory she saw in the flames with herself walking the ramparts of Winterfell and the Bolton banners lowered pertains to this battle instead of Stannis', and will count as another accurate prophetic vision.

I wish we knew what other tricks she has up her sleeve, and not everything in her repertoire necessarily requires a full human sacrifice: the leeches, the shadow assassin, the resurrection, etc. It would be great if she can make a wall of flame into the Bolton ranks!

Oh, I definitely think Davos will find out. As I pointed out earlier in the thread:

Didn't Davos carve her a toy that she was carrying with her when she was burnt? I bet it survived the fire and he finds it in the pyre. Red woman is in deep ****.

I don't think Mel is going to survive this season. When Jon finds out what she did to Shireen, I can't see him telling Davos to not take revenge.

 

[Reek]

If Mel dies, it won't be until the finale IMO...if she dies ...

 

[TJByrum]

I feel like Mel is to integral to the 'Fire and Ice' ordeal that'll surely conclude the series. She's the audience's conduit into all of the Lord of Light stuff, and without her we don't really have anyone else to fill that roll. Sure, there's Thoros and the chick in Mereen, but they're not 'connected' to Jon and that storyline like Mel is.

I think she's to important to be offed. She's necessary for the general audience. If Mel has to explain R'hllor stuff to anyone in GoT, you can bet she's pretty much there to explain it to non-book readers too, like myself.

 

[Matt]

I feel like Mel is to integral to the 'Fire and Ice' ordeal that'll surely conclude the series. She's the audience's conduit into all of the Lord of Light stuff, and without her we don't really have anyone else to fill that roll. Sure, there's Thoros and the chick in Mereen, but they're not 'connected' to Jon and that storyline like Mel is.

I think she's to important to be offed. She's necessary for the general audience. If Mel has to explain R'hllor stuff to anyone in GoT, you can bet she's pretty much there to explain it to non-book readers too, like myself.

Neither was Mel until last season. I find it very interesting that they introduced a new fire priestess and brought back Thoros. In my opinion, those moves make Mel a helluva lot more disposable.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Oh, I definitely think Davos will find out. As I pointed out earlier in the thread:

I don't think she brought that into the fire, and I wouldn't expect a wooden toy surviving such a blaze either even if she did somehow.

I don't think Mel is going to survive this season. When Jon finds out what she did to Shireen, I can't see him telling Davos to not take revenge.

Why would Jon care so much about Shireen? Mel brought Jon back, I think rather he feels indebted to her, and I think he will be very preoccupied with other matters like the reclamation of Winterfell and re-establishing order.

Davos can act independently and just strangle the ***** if he finds out what happened, but he'll need proof, a confession from her, or testimony from a Baratheon deserter who was there.

I really don't believe Mel is going to die until she encounters Arya again. The writers haven't forgotten that prophecy -- they are already calling back to earlier seasons in other ways including that season with the return of Thoros and Beric.

 

[Matt]

I don't think she brought that into the fire, and I wouldn't expect a wooden toy surviving such a blaze either even if she did somehow.

I watched the episode a couple days ago (still heartwrenching). She definitely carried it with her. It was deliberately focused on (and the reason why is now apparent)

Plus Reek pointed out [blackout]a promo shows Davos finding the toy[/blackout]

Why would Jon care so much about Shireen? Mel brought Jon back, I think rather he feels indebted to her, and I think he will be very preoccupied with other matters like the reclamation of Winterfell and re-establishing order.

Davos can act independently and just strangle the ***** if he finds out what happened, but he'll need proof, a confession from her, or testimony from a Baratheon deserter who was there.

I really don't believe Mel is going to die until she encounters Arya again. The writers haven't forgotten that prophecy -- they are already calling back to earlier seasons in other ways including that season with the return of Thoros and Beric.

Jon wouldn't care about Shireen at all. All I am saying is he won't stop Davos from killing a witch who burns little girls at the stake.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Neither was Mel until last season. I find it very interesting that they introduced a new fire priestess and brought back Thoros. In my opinion, those moves make Mel a helluva lot more disposable.

And Beric and Thoros seem to be planning to go North to face the threat of the Walkers so this may be true...

 

[Reek]

Not only did she convince Stannis to burn Shireen... She also dipped the **** out when she knew he was doomed.

 

[Matt]

So here's a wild theory: maybe Davos will forgive Mel. I mean, not for nothing, but she did raise a guy from the dead. Clearly there is more to her magic than Davos originally thought. Not to mention, burning Shireen worked. It is what caused the snow storm to clear up and allowed Stannis to march on Winterfell. It also freaked out half of his army and caused them to abandon. But the purpose of burning her was to clear the storm and it did just that.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

I watched the episode a couple days ago (still heartwrenching). She definitely carried it with her. It was deliberately focused on (and the reason why is now apparent)

Plus Reek pointed out [blackout]a promo shows Davos finding the toy[/blackout]

Yeah they sure did! [BLACKOUT]I guess they're going to say that it survived the blaze against all odds.[/BLACKOUT] If Arya can survive her ordeal then I suppose this is nothing!

You know I checked the teaser and the two trailers the other day and didn't spot that so I'd like to see it if someone can point it out. All I saw was [BLACKOUT]the same scene of Davos in front of the burnt stake, but no toy.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Reek]

it's funny... just using leeches with Kings blood did the job... now it takes burning little girls... though in the books the leech thing is different, i see it as a big plothole in terms of the GA but no one ever mentions it so i am clearly wrong there lol

 

[Marvolo]

In the behind the scenes pics Mel was at the battlefield location. Davos I assume finds out about Shireen before the battle when they are at camp. The fact she makes it to the battle makes me think Davos doesnt want vengeance or at the very least doesnt want it yet.

Maybe Davos considers that Shireen wouldnt want him to murder someone for revenge. I could see him telling Mel he'd love nothing more than to kill her, but Shireen wouldnt want him to do that.

 

[Reek]

Yeah they sure did! [BLACKOUT]I guess they're going to say that it survived the blaze against all odds.[/BLACKOUT] If Arya can survive her ordeal then I suppose this is nothing!

You know I checked the teaser and the two trailers the other day and didn't spot that so I'd like to see it if someone can point it out. All I saw was [BLACKOUT]the same scene of Davos in front of the burnt stake, but no toy.[/BLACKOUT]

I can't find it either. It was before the season, maybe just one of those HBO promo's for upcoming shows, but it had davos kneel down at the scene and picked up something, then it showed his face in horror.

I can only imagine it was the toy... has to be, imo... its pretty perfect.

but if i am wrong i am wrong... apologies if I am... but im sticking with it.

 

[Marvolo]

I can't find it either. It was before the season, maybe just one of those HBO promo's for upcoming shows, but it had davos kneel down at the scene and picked up something, then it showed his face in horror.

I can only imagine it was the toy... has to be, imo... its pretty perfect.

but if i am wrong i am wrong... apologies is I am... but im sticking with it.

Did Shireen wear a necklace or hairclip or brooch? Those things could survive a fire.

 

[Reek]

I don't know... seems more fitting for it to be the toy though... especially for Davos.

 

[Reek]

 

[Marvolo]

I don't know... seems more fitting for it to be the toy though... especially for Davos.

If it is the toy I can suspend my disbelief that it could survive the fire. Him finding the toy will carry so much more weight than him finding a random necklace she wore.