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Season 7, Episode 5 "Eastwatch" Discussion Thread

Is that all there are?

There's probably more but 12 is the most we've seen of them. It doesn't feel like their own numbers is an advantage since they can create legions of shock troops from the dead.
 
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GoT isn't meant to be any century. There are ****ing dragons, zombies, blood magic, super fire, faceless men, etc etc... and people are crying about time passing as if everything else is believable :lmao:

"Oh wtf! we get to see Jon at Eastwatch NOW instead of waiting a week! HOW TERRIBLE!"

My point is that ASoIaF was inspired by medieval Europe, therefore the technological level of Westeros should be comparable (and has been for the entire show, particularly the first 3 to 4 seasons). There was an internal logic to the way things worked and how people interacted with society and the world. This false equivalency that because the show is high fantasy anything goes and screw rationality or logical writing is preposterous. Why is this unhelpful strawman constantly thrown around when discussing genre fiction.

A big part of the show's appeal was the unromantic and demythologized nature of the setting and treatment of its characters. It was no small task getting from a to b, and a journey of that distance likely would have some effect either on the characters themselves or the world around them due to their absence or the simple passage of time. The journey was usually more important than the destination, and unlike a simple plane ride would have consequences.

At the very least Cersei's hair should grow; if she is indeed pregnant it should be farther along; her mercenary army should arrive; Dany's 100,000 Dothraki and horses need food and a place to camp, etc. I don't need to actually see the months of uneventful travel take place, but lipservice should be paid to the length of time that passed. Surely plots like Arya/Littlefinger/Sansa would have played out by then. If the separate storylines are playing out at different times then they should either be clearer about it or tell the story better/find a different way to accomplish what they want.

All that said, I think the entire "steal a wight" plot is ridiculous in the first place and a waste of time. How do they intend to find one? Do they think it'll somehow be alone instead of with an army (an army which they constantly talk about); how will 10 men accomplish this; why no horses/wagons/hats/heavy gear or weapons; why did Jon have to go anyways (why risk the KitN) when the only wildling they took was Tormund (and maybe two others).

But more importantly, what makes them think they can convince Mad Cersei to join them in their fight against the White Walkers. She's crazy and power hungry, I can't see a rational argument working on her. And in the meantime she has no army, why doesn't Dany take her a dragon (or three) and take her out in a strategic strike on the Red Keep (with little collateral damage). Or simply lay siege against King's Landing (unopposed) and get the people to rise up and expel/kill her.

Or why couldn't Dany fly directly there with her dragons, see the army of the dead for herself and possibly kill the white walkers/night king while she's up there in one fell swoop?

I always figured GoT was 11-12th century.

You're right, I was just thinking of how ASoIaF was inspired by the War of the Roses which took place in the 15th century. Somehow I forgot they already had cannons and firearms then, which were introduced to Europe in the 13th century. So while some of the political shenanigans may come from a later period, the actual setting of Westoros is the 11-12 century, as you said (with dragons taking the place of cannons).

My original point is that there was no way Jon & Co. were able to make a journey of nearly 2000 miles with a 12th century sailing vessel in less than at least one to two months.

Now, whether or not the show has stuck to that period is another matter. I first noticed it when a wheelchair (which is a late 18th century invention) was introduced in season 5, but quite a few others things have made it through the cracks, especially in the last couple seasons. The showrunners clearly don't care about modern anachronisms rubbing up against the established period aesthetic. Just look at Cersei, Euron & Dany's new fashion sense, Dragonstone's throne room or all of the 21st century dialogue they keep including.
 
Every show and movie ever made has "what ifs" and "why couldn'ts".... Why? Because it's not as entertaining.

Sure dany could go fly over the wall see wights and fly back... thats almost as exciting as hot pie dropping a deuce compared to our Dirty Dozen heading north and catching one.

it's TV people. Enjoy yourselves.... i know everyone hates that phrase, but it is simply true. We could just as well say 'why didn't Jorah just kill Dany at any of the many moments he had to do so, got his pardon, and dip out?'
 
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This is probably the only time in the history of anything that we're all rooting for a dude to bang his aunt.

Not "all"...:barf:

Kinda awkward if Jon is banging the woman who burned Sam's father and brother if/when Jon and Sam reunite.

Mm-hmm. That's the awkward part. Not the aunt banging thing. :sly:
 
There's probably more but 12 is the most we've seen of them. It doesn't feel like their own numbers is an advantage since they can create legions of shock troops from the dead.

Yeah but those shock troops aren't that dangerous by themselves to the combined might of Westeros being vulnerable to fire. Get the archers to use fire arrows and set up a wall of fire in their path. The walkers can change the game though with advanced tactics. They'd be a lot more formidable with 1200 than 12! Also will be interesting to see if the Night King has some unique special abilities.
 
To hell with the Mag 7, Suicide Squad, etc...

I want a Wu Tang Clan poster
 
Not "all"...:barf:



Mm-hmm. That's the awkward part. Not the aunt banging thing. :sly:

I'm kind of on the "Co-regency: it's a thing" team.

Because, yeah, consanguinity and affinity galore. Not everyone with chemistry needs to hit the sack or get married. (although, hbo...)
 
Loved how Tyrion depite Varys denying it still knew he had read the note lolol
 
Jon Snow standing face to face with a dragon looked great and I thought it was some of the best CGI in the series. It made me wonder if Jon Snow could survive being burned by dragon fire. A few reunions this week; Ser Jorah and Daenerys, Tyrion and Jaimee Lannister, as well as, Gendry and Davos. Gendry was pretty swift with that giant hammer and it was interesting seeing him meet Jon Snow (the meeting of the bastards). I thought the Samwell scenes continued to be good. Arya keeping an eye on Little Finger while he was spying on her was great too. The Hound and Beric joining the expedition beyond the wall made me really excited for next week.
 
I would like them to play up this Targ fire resistance thing and it could be a way of proving it to Dany.
 
Every show and movie ever made has "what ifs" and "why couldn'ts".... Why? Because it's not as entertaining.

Sure dany could go fly over the wall see wights and fly back... thats almost as exciting as hot pie dropping a deuce compared to our Dirty Dozen heading north and catching one.

it's TV people. Enjoy yourselves.... i know everyone hates that phrase, but it is simply true. We could just as well say 'why didn't Jorah just kill Dany at any of the many moments he had to do so, got his pardon, and dip out?'

I disagree. It's less entertaining because I can see the laziness and/or incompetence on display by the writers, its that obvious. And it breaks the immersion.

"Well it's TV, stop holding it to any actual standards" is the bastion of lazy and uncreative writers. A cheap excuse basically.

Also if they don't want people to apply realism and logic to their fictional world, then don't base it on a book series that's known to incorporate lots of logic to it's plot and is heavily based on actual Medieval standards. Don't brag about it, but then just ignore it because it'd require you to put just a little more thought into your plot.

Sorry D&D, you cannot have it both ways.
 
I would like them to play up this Targ fire resistance thing and it could be a way of proving it to Dany.

He burned his hand when he saved Jeor Mormont, but it wouldn't stop D&D to make him fireproof now.
 
He burned his hand when he saved Jeor Mormont, but it wouldn't stop D&D to make him fireproof now.

Oh right. Good point. I can't remember the scene fully but was there actually damage? I mean I guess if you were fireproof and didn't know it you would recoil in the same way and then think you had a lucky escape? Maybe I'm reaching a bit too far. :woot:
 
Well Dani is full Targarian right? Whereas John is just half. Maybe Dani is special because she's the fabled "mother of dragons." John's a Tagarian, but he isn't a dragon. He can be burned just like Viserys was.
 
After next week.....The Long Winters Begin......
 
"Back to the north, back to the north!!!! We'll go to sleep for a thousand more years, and maybe they won't have their **** as together by then!"

They took their chance after a life age of the Earth waiting for a King stupid enough to justify an all out invasion attempt. Finally they were graced with Robert Baratheon. Their pace quickened as he was replaced first by psycho-torturer Joffrey and then went into full pelt with wet lettuce Tommen. Then the NK takes a call - "Who? Cers...........****!! Did anyone keep a trail for the way back?"
 
Arya can't be that stupid, can she? She and Jon may have best her in the assassin/warrior categories but Sansa sure has them both beat in understanding basic Westerosi politics, leadership and manipulation. Sheesh!

I hope it's a secret plan on both sisters parts, otherwise this wedge is going to drive people crazy.
 
Arya can't be that stupid, can she? She and Jon may have best her in the assassin/warrior categories but Sansa sure has them both beat in understanding basic Westerosi politics, leadership and manipulation. Sheesh!

I hope it's a secret plan on both sisters parts, otherwise this wedge is going to drive people crazy.

Soap opera drama if they go this way. What I want to see is some Starks running the board and kicking some derriere. Time to avenge Eddard et al!
 
Well Dani is full Targarian right? Whereas John is just half. Maybe Dani is special because she's the fabled "mother of dragons." John's a Tagarian, but he isn't a dragon. He can be burned just like Viserys was.

But, uh, Viserys is also "full Targaryen". Dany is only 'fireproof' in the show.
 
Viserys acted like a bastard. Maybe that helps be less resistant to fire? :csad:
 
Haha nice. That's pretty convincing as a genuine raid party with legit gamer names. :woot:

Too many Arms warriors IMO. Jon should have brought Ghost to give them a Survival hunter. Will give props to Beric for being a DK. Thoros as their Disc Priest is going to have his work cut out for him.
 

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