Discussion in 'The Amazing Spider-Man 2' started by Thread Manager, Mar 12, 2013.
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They've always seemed kind of similar to me as well. I hope Gwen and MJ's dynamic with Peter is just as different as Lana and Lois's dynamic was with Clark. There was a perfect line in one of the episodes where they compared Lana to "sweet vanilla" and Lois to "wild cherry". I'd love to see a similar difference between Gwen and MJ here too. Gwen is more similar to Peter's calm and tender side, while MJ is similar to his rebellious and carefree side.
I am sure that's what they're going for. Hopefully though, it's more nuanced than that. Joss Whedon would be so great for this- though I'm sure Webb will do just fine. I think you're on the right track though.
There are some pics of Shailene in New York on Just Jared.
It is starting to seem as if they're reversing the Ultimate Universe dynamic with the two girls, which I personally find kind of neat. The USM universe has always been one of my favorite versions of the Spidey mythos, though, so I'm going to be kind of predisposed to getting excited any time we get elements of that universe incorporated into other iterations of said mythos.
Reversing the Ultimate universe as in this series' Gwen Stacy is basically Ultimate MJ, and this MJ will be Ultimate Gwen?
There's a huge part of me that still wants to see Peter and MJ together in this series. Not sure if we'll get enough movies though for that to happen.
Well I think it's obvious they won't just bring MJ to keep her as a friend and confidant. Initially, yes. But not always. The question is are they going to showcase the transition to her properly or it would seem forced to the point where general audience would think Pete went after her because his old girlfriend died. Bringing MJ in is tricky in the first place because everyone knows who she is. Someone mentioned Smallville before, which was about a young Clark Kent. His affection throughout most of the show's tenure was directed towards Lana Lang. Lois Lane was introduced in Season 4. Yet it wasn't until Season 8 where she and Clark started having romantic feelings. The point is, that show had ten seasons, the Spidey films are 160 minutes a piece tops. It's not only tricky that they introduce another love interest(despite that she's the most famous one) but there's very little time to make it look legit and not just a competition to Gwen that was chosen because Peter was left with no other option. How the whole situation plays out is what bothers me the most with bringing both Gwen and MJ in a film together.
Tons of good points here.
But I would say that they could go the route where MJ stays a friend, a close friend, but only up to that point due to the series being over.
They can't rush it or force it like you were saying, and I kinda doubt they will.
Hey, even though I seriously doubt it, I have no problem if MJ remains a friend. But if they go with the love affair, then things can get messy. The old films got away with it because Peter loved her since he was a child. That way, even with bringing Gwen in SM3, there was no way for her to be a real threat to MJ or for the situation to feel rushed. Don't get me wrong, I didn't like how they portrayed both MJ and Gwen in that movie at all. But here it's totally different and I hope Webb knows what he's doing. I also hope the suits aren't breathing down his neck like they did Raimi's.
Hahaha yeah I agree with most of your points. I do.
So you think MJ will become a romantic interest at some point in these movies, more than just Peter being attracted to her?
Characterization- wise, yes. They seem to have given this version of Gwen the characteristics of Ultimate MJ and this version of MJ the characteristics of Ultimate Gwen (at least in part).
With that said, I do think we'll see this version of Peter date both girls just as in the mainstream comic universe.
The filmmakers can use this film to establish MJ as a friend to Peter, have Gwen die fairly early on in TASM 3, and have MJ and Peter's established friendship grow into more over the course of the second half of TASM 3 with them getting together officially towards the end of the film.
Yeah I agree with the characterization points.
I'd be pretty surprised if they went with your plan..the death, and him getting with MJ at the end of 3. I personally think after Gwen dying, that Peter needs one whole movie of being single haha.
Of course. If they're gonna go that way, they shouldn't just tease it or make it one-sided, but go all the way. But that's only if Peter and Gwen are done for good, whether Gwen dies or they break up. I want it to make sense, rushing it because Peter and MJ "have to" be together after Gwen is out of the picture, doesn't cut it for me. It needs to look legit and somewhat believable.
Exactly. But I'm picturing that this series would end (at the 3rd movie) with Peter and MJ as friends, and us the audience knowing they'll get together eventually. I don't know why I feel that but I bet it.
I think it's because I think Marc Webb wants this series to differentiate from the Raimis.
Well yeah, I'm open to many different possibilities as long as they are executed well and make some sense.
Gwen in the movie is based on the 616 version of Gwen than Ultimate MJ. I wouldn't say she is based on Ultimate MJ since Ultimate MJ was technically 616 Gwen minus the science side (which Gwen has in the movie) and Ultimate Gwen was technically 616 MJ minus the supermodel look and with "teen punk" traits attached.
That begin said, I would find it really weird if Shailene's MJ is based on Ultimate MJ since Ultimate MJ is so similar to 616 Gwen who the Gwen in the movies is based off of. That's why I would prefer 616 MJ. Gwen and MJ have always been the exact opposite of each other in both the 616 and Ultimate universes which is what makes their relationship with Peter and the relationship between them so interesting. I feel that once you decide to go with 616 Gwen over Ultimate Gwen, MJ should also be more like her 616 version than her Ultimate version. Same thing would apply if Gwen was originally based on her Ultimate version.
I know I could be totally wrong, but id love to see them take this series past a 4th movie and keep it going.
Don't get me wrong, as long as the movies are good, I don't mind how long they go. But the problem is movie sequels usually can't go indefinitely like the comics can. Though the comic books always have story arcs that end after a few issues too. Sure, there's notable examples like the Clone Saga and other stories that should not be named, which can obviously go on and on and on. But in films that can't really happen. Filmmakers usually run out of ideas and that's understandable. Looking at SM2, would you ever think Raimi would have the ludicrous ideas he had for SM4? Again, the more, the merrier, sure. But only if they have a good long term plan and know what they're doing.
to me they painted themselves in a corner with SM3, it should have ended with the creation of venom. Those movies were mis-managed severely after 2, so if they work these right and dont cram too much and build everything to have layers, then they can extend the series and tell great stories for a while.
I'd like to see a total of four movies, tops. I think that would be appropriate.
I'm sure this has probably been mentioned, but we know that the pics of Mary Jane that we've seen so far are just of her in causal clothing but what if she actually gets more dressed up later in the movie and actually looks more like a knockout?
I don't know... I have a feeling that we're still not getting the ideal Mary Jane we have been hoping for
But if the character is interesting I will forgive the movie for making her different
What's the ideal mary jane?
Supermodel Bombshell. That's what I seem to be able to decipher from forum posts at least.