Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 1

[Suzanne78]

They weren't worthy and also crazy because he was freaking adorable.

Ugh, SkinnySteve!!!!

I mean.... idk. i just want to *like* Sharon, so if they manage to develop her and give her a personality outside of being Cap's love interest, then I'm all for it. Honestly, I wasn't sure how they were going to shoehorn in a love story here. But what I want is to see an empowered Sharon, one who may mess up, but who has some agency and some autonomy with her decisions.

You know... kind of like Pepper, Peggy, Jane, Natasha, Wanda....

 

[Stevie2020]

Ugh, SkinnSteve!!!!

I mean.... idk. i just want to *like* Sharon, so if they manage to develop her and give her a personality outside of being Cap's love interest, then I'm all for it. Honestly, I wasn't sure how they were going to shoehorn in a love story here. But what I want is to see an empowered Sharon, one who may mess up, but who has some agency and some autonomy with her decisions.

You know... kind of like Pepper, Peggy, Jane, Natasha, Wanda....

First of all, Skinny Steve is adorbs.

Now, I don't want to like her as much as I want her to be a well-developed character and I agree the key is to make her an actual character that is important to the plot and not just the designated love interest. The other female characters named were all plot-critical and it was apparent from the first minute of their performances.

Even Maria Hill - with her somewhat lack of on-screen character development - was introduced as her own person (Fury's cynical sidekick) and has ultimately been used relatively well as an exposition machine.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Everyone talks about how the love story is shoehorned but apparently the friendship with Tony being retconned in isn't? Spider-Man showing up isn't? Clint being involved isn't? Stark or Ross being anyone's idea of a dependable authority figure isn't?

 

[Suzanne78]

IDK... I've seen massive complaints about EVERYTHING in this movie. Everyone's going to bring up complaints about every added plotline/character. If they are necessary to tell the story, fine. If something can develop organically, fine. We won't know how it shakes out until the film is put together.

The LI thing is specific to the females in the male-led movies. Too often, women are mostly reduced to being the Damsel or Girlfriend or Wife without giving them further thought or development. I want the latter for Sharon. I want to see her agency and development as well.

Someone will complain that her, as a character, is being shoehorned as well. We all complain about them, until we see how it comes together in the final product.

 

[Suzanne78]

Thinking about it, that has always been my issue with Sharon; I have never thought about her beyond being an instrument for Steve's development, his girlfriend. That does not compel me to muster any interest in the character.

Really hope that the Russos the writers find a way to make her interesting.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

We won't know how it shakes out until the film is put together.

And yet, you say things like "I wasn't sure how they were going to shoehorn in a love story here"

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Cards on the table, around the time TWS was forthcoming and it was getting increasingly apparent that Sharon was demoted to an extra, people including you were defending it because the movie didn't need a love story, even when I pointed out that she could have had other uses. So this call for her getting development independent of Steve feels very disingenuous.

To be frank, as someone who likes Sharon, I'll take more of her any way I can get it. For all people stan Peggy, they seem to forget she didn't have any arc aside from what she shared with Steve, any other development she had came later.

 

[Voltron]

Well so far we've already seen Sharon be cute, sneaky and sweet while in spy-mode. Then professional, defiant, self-less, and brave at SHIELD HQ. And an excellent marksman in the CIA gun range.

I agree with BullMcGiveny, I'll take more of Sharon any way I can get her; a friend, a girlfriend, Peggy's grand niece, CIA agent, double agent, burger connoisseur, background scene filler, Bilbo's assistant, whatever, give me more.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I will say, though, that if she doesn't have a reasonably ample role, and frankly it is looking that way, I'd have rathered the Russos didn't use her at all. Rather have her move to AoS, as I'm sure she'd be handled better than she could be by the Russos.

 

[Voltron]

Yeah, I'm not feeling the love from the russo bros, they haven't mentioned her since TWS interviews. Sharon being in AoS would definitely make me tune in again. The only two reasons I got interested in the Cap movies are Hayley Atwell/Peggy then Sharon.

Well we know that she filmed for around 2 months or more which should translate to anywhere between 5-15 minutes of screen time after editing.

 

[MadVillainy]

I mean she may have limited screentime, but I think it says a lot that they included her in the concept art.

That being said I think Vision and Scarlet Witch werent included...and I dont remember if I saw Vision in the trailer

 

[Stevie2020]

Vision was in the concept art only; Wanda in trailer only.

 

[Suzanne78]

And yet, you say things like "I wasn't sure how they were going to shoehorn in a love story here"

Well... I say this about most of these MCU movies... Or if not specifically mentioned, I hope the love story isn't shoehorned in.

Didn't care for it in Thor, AoU... i only really thought it was handled well in TFA and IM. I was relieved that GOTG and Avengers, and TWS were free from being encumbered by it. I feel like it hurts these types of movies more than helps them. i would not have enjoyed the love stories in IM and TFA had it not been for the chemistry between RDJ and Paltrow, or Evans and Atwell. I'm even tuning out of AoS because if they insist on forcing a romance between Fitz amd Simmons, I'm not here for it.

Most of the weaker aspects of movies I've enjoyed were forcing a love story into it.

And even though I said that, it doesn't contradict what I said about the final product. It may work. I'm keeping an open mind, regardless.

 

[Rote]

Wait so you want Cap to be a 100 y.o. virgin pining for a dead Peggy, well fine then. Also, why would the Russos and Evans reveal that Cap gets with Sharon in CW? That's spoiling too much.

Russos talking about Wanda/Vision? Link thanks. I'm happy they'll continue with their pairing in CW from AoU.

Again I said a bigger role in CW compared to the 3 mins she got in TWS. So if she ends up with 2 or more extra minutes than I would consider that bigger.

Those, who watch trailers and other news for marvel movies, know very well, that they are never afraid of spoiling the most intimate moments of love arcs in there. But maybe CW is just an exception, yeah.

Saw fans twitting during their panel at CCXP2015 about Wanda and Vision. This article is pretty much consistent with those reports (Google translate at your service) along with Olsen's and Bettany's interviews (especially the one, where Bettany talks about Vision being interested in love) and that article with spoilers about Vision's arc in CW. When I get the same information from several various sources, I tend to believe it.

After all this talk about how EVC will get much bigger role in Cap3 after TWS, oh, yeah. Well then good for you.

i would not have enjoyed the love stories in IM and TFA had it not been for the chemistry between RDJ and Paltrow, or Evans and Atwell.

Pretty much this. VanCamp's wooden perfomance and lack of acting skills are not helping at all.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

And even though I said that, it doesn't contradict what I said about the final product.

The point was that you'd dismissed Sharon as unfit for anything other than a romance subplot.

 

[RedRose]

I'm even tuning out of AoS because if they insist on forcing a romance between Fitz amd Simmons, I'm not here for it.
.

Ha, I actually stopped watching this show for awhile until I heard they were finally going to go somewhere with these two! Lol. I love romance apparently .

 

[Suzanne78]

The point was that you'd dismissed Sharon as unfit for anything other than a romance subplot.

Yeah... okay, you're completely misreading my posts. Again.

I never, ever, ever said I thought Sharon was unfit for a romantic subplot. I only expressed my doubt that a movie this packed full of story can do a sufficient amount of time with a love story with Sharon and Steve AND maybe, just maybe develop her character outside of that relationship.

I don't want a romance with Cap shoehorned in awkwardly as if to fulfill some Hollywood ideal that this movie has to have romance in it to appeal to some.... that detracts from my enjoyment of the plot, if all Sharon is there for is to **** Steve.

Hell, I loved Nat and Steve in TWS, and though I loved their chemistry, I ADORE their friendship even more. I love the dynamic created by Peggy and Steve. I want to see something similar happen with Steve and Sharon, while the filmmakers take care to build her character.

NEVER EVER EVER did I say that I thought she was unfit for a romance with Steve, at least the movie version. I want this version to improve on the comics version, which has rarely ever worked well for me, save the Waid era of Cap comics. The writers cannot seem to get Sharon right beyond being a damsel in distress, or fridged for Cap. I even want her to get her own book or mini by a writer who gets the character, who can delve more into her character beyond whatever she is for Cap.

And I want the movie to do the same thing, especially if the path for her character eventually does end up with Steve down the road in IW.

BUT, and I have also always said this... if a romance is to happen in CW, then it should happen organically from the narrative, and the two actors should have chemistry. I haven't seen enough between Steve and Sharon yet to make that assessment. So, I am willing to keep an open mind.

 

[Suzanne78]

So, basically, as someone who's not a big fan of Sharon, my priorities are 1) develop her character, and 2) then see if a relationship/romance is feasible from the narrative.

To be honest, I'm not sure at this point who I'd want Cap to end up with .... if not Bucky, Sam or Tony...

 

[BullMcGiveny]

The point was that you'd dismissed Sharon as unfit for anything other than a romance subplot.

Yeah... okay, you're completely misreading my posts. Again.

I never, ever, ever said I thought Sharon was unfit for a romantic subplot.

Kettle. Pot. Black.

You didn't mind Sharon's lack of development, arc, last name in, TWS because, in your words, there was not need for romance.

So this newly developed interest in Sharon's development doesn't sound genuine.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Sigh...

 

[Suzanne78]

Omfg....

 

[Voltron]

Those, who watch trailers and other news for marvel movies, know very well, that they are never afraid of spoiling the most intimate moments of love arcs in there. But maybe CW is just an exception, yeah.

Saw fans twitting during their panel at CCXP2015 about Wanda and Vision. This article is pretty much consistent with those reports (Google translate at your service) along with Olsen's and Bettany's interviews (especially the one, where Bettany talks about Vision being interested in love) and that article with spoilers about Vision's arc in CW. When I get the same information from several various sources, I tend to believe it.

So what you're saying is that Staron's not going to happen in CW, but they might in IW which is why there wasn't any spoilers. That's what I was thinking.

Yes! We're getting more Wanda/Vision in CW! That pairing's going to be interesting. So Rote is Brazilian.

After all this talk about how EVC will get much bigger role in Cap3 after TWS, oh, yeah. Well then good for you.

Thanks. t:

Pretty much this. VanCamp's wooden perfomance and lack of acting skills are not helping at all.

I've watched her deliver moments of great acting, but yeah she can be inconsistent, hopefully she brings it in CW.

 

[Voltron]

Too bad Sharon didn't look like this in EW. t:

Or maybe with this top and styling.

 

[Suzanne78]

Too bad Sharon didn't look like this in EW. t:

Or maybe with this top and styling.

Oooooh I think that's a Sam Edelman zip back top.... It looks like the one I have. Well played, Emily Thorne!

EVC looks adorbs there. She would look cute with Chris' Steve... even if they look like they could be related, LOL!!!

 

[Voltron]

EVC and Chris do not look related to me. The only feature Sharon and Steve share are their blondeness, that's it. I mean look at all the African, and Asian couples with black hair, I wouldn't say they look related.

Maybe Sharon's black puffy vest is for practical and functional purposes and you have to see it in motion. Look at DoFP's Quicksilver's hideous outfit in the promo pics where many derided it but it actually looked cool in the actual movie.