Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 1

[Voltron]

Look, I agree with you. Right now I don't care for Sharon in the comics and hate her in the MCU. But it can change. I want it to change.
And it can do so if the Russo's make her more likeable and interesting in CW without shoehorning her or her romance with Cap.

If they manage to make her tolerable (I don't even ask them to make her a great character) I could stomach having Cap with her.

Again she only got 3 minutes of screen time. How and what did you manage to hate within those 3 minutes? Is it because Cap will finally move on from Peggy like how Peggy moved on from Cap decades ago where her hubby and children are proof of that.

There's no chance of shoehorning a romance with Cap in CW (hopefully) because Evans and EVC even said so. They're just getting to know each other with a side of flirtation and the Staron romance if any will play out in IW.

Stomach her with Cap? Thanks for that backhanded comment. t:

 

[DanielFM]

Again she only got 3 minutes of screen time. How and what did you manage to hate within those 3 minutes? Is it because Cap will finally move on from Peggy like how Peggy moved on from Cap decades ago where her hubby and children are proof of that.

1- I don't personally like EVC.
2- I saw nothing special in her performance.
3- Her chemistry with Chris Evans was poor.

That's leaving out she didn't get the chance to do anything interesting in those 3 minutes, I admit it.

Two of the points I addressed can be changed/improved in CW easily. I will try to keep an open mind when watching it.

 

[Mike5575]

Again she only got 3 minutes of screen time. How and what did you manage to hate within those 3 minutes? Is it because Cap will finally move on from Peggy like how Peggy moved on from Cap decades ago where her hubby and children are proof of that.

There's no chance of shoehorning a romance with Cap in CW (hopefully) because Evans and EVC even said so. They're just getting to know each other with a side of flirtation and the Staron romance if any will play out in IW

The most recent interview with EVC gives me a little hope. I don't think their relationship will evolve into a full blown romance, but they will be getting closer. By Infinity War, I wouldn't be suprised to see Staron and ScarletVision double dating. Then again, I wouldn't mind seeing Staron getting replaced by "Oh Captain, My Captain" as Steve professes his love for Captain Marvel. It probably happens after Carol saves his life or something.

 

[DanielFM]

The most recent interview with EVC gives me a little hope. I don't think their relationship will evolve into a full blown romance, but they will be getting closer. By Infinity War, I wouldn't be suprised to see Staron and ScarletVision double dating. Then again, I wouldn't mind seeing Staron getting replaced by "Oh Captain, My Captain" as Steve professes his love for Captain Marvel. It probably happens after Carol saves his life or something.

CaptainxCaptain

 

[Voltron]

1- I don't personally like EVC.
2- I saw nothing special in her performance.
3- Her chemistry with Chris Evans was poor.

That's leaving out she didn't get the chance to do anything interesting in those 3 minutes, I admit it.

Two of the points I addressed can be changed/improved in CW easily. I will try to keep an open mind when watching it.

Points taken. It's all subjective anyway.

I did find Sharon standing up to Brock the leader of the Strike team commendable and brave and also saving that tech guy. Also I think that laundry-coffee scene served to show that apart from Cap showing interest in Sharon, it shows that he's trying to move on with his life.

 

[Voltron]

The most recent interview with EVC gives me a little hope. I don't think their relationship will evolve into a full blown romance, but they will be getting closer. By Infinity War, I wouldn't be suprised to see Staron and ScarletVision double dating. Then again, I wouldn't mind seeing Staron getting replaced by "Oh Captain, My Captain" as Steve professes his love for Captain Marvel. It probably happens after Carol saves his life or something.

We don't even know which actress will play Capt Marvel and if that actress has chemistry with Evans.

 

[Rote]

If I were the Russos I'd establish her personality, build/develop Sharon more and her growing camaraderie with Steve with a side of flirtation in CW.

Where is time for that in CW, I wonder? And why Russos talked about Steve-Sam-Bucky dinamic without her.

EVC/Russos/writers need to make her likable so the audience can see why Cap would fall for Sharon apart from being easy on the eyes.

If they have managed to make her likeable, why Russos themselves don't seem to be much interested in her so far?

Again she only got 3 minutes of screen time. How and what did you manage to hate within those 3 minutes? Is it because Cap will finally move on from Peggy like how Peggy moved on from Cap decades ago where her hubby and children are proof of that.

Again, again and again, it's very comfortable excuse for you, I understand, but it's been said like 100 times already: I don't mind practically any ship, except Staron. I would love to see Wanda with Cap, even Hill with Cap. But Staron is not moving on from Peggy, it's exactly the opposite. Especially developing their relationship ONLY after Steve learns, that she's a Carter. When he didn't know that, he wasn't much interested to call her. He hasn't had any girlfriend since defrosting, and it's been like 5 years! And now the first one will be Sharon, with whom he can talk about Peggy and feel that connection again. Gross. They are canon in comics, and so what? MCU has gone very far away from the comics canon by now and Russos admitted, they "don’t always honour the mythology from the books" when it doesn't fit. Comics are not ideal at all.
And I don't want to even begin on how bad EVC is as an actress. And not just from these 3 minutes in TWS at all. No wonder her role was given to Black Widow.

There's no chance of shoehorning a romance with Cap in CW (hopefully) because Evans and EVC even said so. They're just getting to know each other with a side of flirtation and the Staron romance if any will play out in IW.

What's interesting, that both Evans and ScarJo practically are saying that there is little room for romance in CW, while EVC says,that they "get to explore" it. Someone here either underestimates or overestimates the scale of things.

 

[TalismanRing]

We don't even know which actress will play Capt Marvel and if that actress has chemistry with Evans.

I really doubt it will happen but I'm betting she's a far better actress because they're not giving their first solo heroine lead movie to an actress of EVC's level. Hence, my bet is the chemistry would be much better because she'd be able to contribute something. EVC already failed her chemistry test scene in TWS.

 

[MbJ]

I have a hard time believing they'd finally introduce a solo female superhero into the MCU and then immediately make her a love interest.

 

[BoredGuy]

EVC already failed her chemistry test scene in TWS.

oh you

 

[BullMcGiveny]

And I don't want to even begin on how bad EVC is as an actress. And not just from these 3 minutes in TWS at all. No wonder her role was given to Black Widow.

In this alleged scenario, why would the Russos/Feige/Marvel hire EVC if she was terrible?

What's interesting, that both Evans and ScarJo practically are saying that there is little room for romance in CW, while EVC says,that they "get to explore" it. Someone here either underestimates or overestimates the scale of things.

Weren't you convinced that Wanda/Vision is happening?

I doubt Scarjo is concerned with anything but her own involvement so I'm guessing she wouldn't talk about Steve/Sharon if it was substantial.

EVC already failed her chemistry test scene in TWS.

Scarjo failed the charisma test in Iron Man 2, and yet...

 

[CaptainWagner]

How many times do the people involved have to confirm their is romance between Steve and Sharon before some people on here accept it?

 

[Rote]

In this alleged scenario, why would the Russos/Feige/Marvel hire EVC if she was terrible?

Well, nobody is safe from making mistakes. And considering that EVC was starring in Disney's show... Why would they announce at first her as a female lead and then give her role to Widow? Because of money? Well, Mackie was not famous at all. Same was Stan. Couldn't bring a lot of money. And yet, look at their roles in TWS and this one. Stan even said, that his role in TWS was just an introduction.

Weren't you convinced that Wanda/Vision is happening?

I doubt Scarjo is concerned with anything but her own involvement so I'm guessing she wouldn't talk about Steve/Sharon if it was substantial.

And I doubt that ScarJo hasn't read the whole script. Her words about "a lot of happening", so there is little room for romance, sound legit and logical. I still think, that Wanda and Vision will get some kind of start for their strange relationship. But if TWS were any kind of setup for Staron, then they must get some sort of romance here. I wonder, why Evans is so reluctant to say it. He was very enthusiastic about romantic stuff with Peggy and Natasha in TWS. Because I don't see a single reason to leave it for IW. There will be even less time for that.

How many times do the people involved have to confirm their is romance between Steve and Sharon before some people on here accept it?

People? Evans twice refused to call it "romance". It's been only EVC with her vague words.
I'll call it however I see fit, when I see the movie myself.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Well, nobody is safe from making mistakes.

And what? They thought rewriting the script would be easier than firing her and hiring someone else?

And considering that EVC was starring in Disney's show...

If Disney apparently forced Marvel to hire her, its kind of odd they didn't do much when her role was drastically scaled back.

Why would they announce at first her as a female lead and then give her role to Widow? Because of money? Well, Mackie was not famous at all. Same was Stan. Couldn't bring a lot of money. And yet, look at their roles in TWS and this one. Stan even said, that his role in TWS was just an introduction.

Or the initial announcement that she was playing the lead was false?

I think there's a very good possibility that Sharon had a much larger role originally but if she did I'm sure EVC had nothing to do with that changing, more like simple old fashioned executive meddling.

 

[BoredGuy]

Scarjo failed the charisma test in Iron Man 2, and yet...

 

[Rote]

And what? They thought rewriting the script would be easier than firing her and hiring someone else?

What to rewrite? They just gave her role to BW, made some corrections, that's all. That's certainly easier, than going through long casting process again. Anyway, that choice was announced not long before the start of shooting, so they could simply be running out of time.

If Disney apparently forced Marvel to hire her, its kind of odd they didn't do much when her role was drastically scaled back.

Well, it's not in their interest either to release a movie with bad actress as a female lead. Wouldn't force that.

Or the initial announcement that she was playing the lead was false?

So, marvel sources told them,that they cast EVC for some role and they just assumed it's definitely will be Carter and female lead? Deadline made things up? I doubt it. But even so, there is no reason otherwise to give Mackie such decent role and only glorified cameo to her. She isn't female lead in Civil War either. I think, those rumors from some extras on TWS set about her incompetent acting were true.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

What to rewrite? They just gave her role to BW, made some corrections, that's all. That's certainly easier, than going through long casting process again. Anyway, that choice was announced not long before the start of shooting, so they could simply be running out of time.

Studios narrow down a group of actors for a given role and then offer it to one based on cost, bankability, availability, etc. If they have to back out, or are fired, then give it to someone else from that group.

They wouldn't be starting all over.

Well, it's not in their interest either to release a movie with bad actress as a female lead. Wouldn't force that.

So the Russos, everyone at ABC, and everyone at Disney, all missed that she was "terrible"?

Your argument is that everyone involved is terrible at casting, a basic facet of filmmaking?

So, marvel sources told them,that they cast EVC for some role and they just assumed it's definitely will be Carter and female lead? Deadline made things up? I doubt it.

That was precisely it. Someone likely told them that Sharon Carter was cast, and they filled in the blanks based on a reasonable but ultimately mistaken assumption.

But even so, there is no reason otherwise to give Mackie such decent role and only glorified cameo to her. She isn't female lead in Civil War either. I think, those rumors from some extras on TWS set about her incompetent acting were true.

They gave Natasha a big role because her fandom felt entitled to a Black Widow movie and Natasha is a pragmatic spy like Sharon. You can't really slip anyone else into Sam's role.

Her acting is incompetent but they brought her back for the sequel?

 

[Stevie2020]

I really doubt it will happen but I'm betting she's a far better actress because they're not giving their first solo heroine lead movie to an actress of EVC's level. Hence, my bet is the chemistry would be much better because she'd be able to contribute something. EVC already failed her chemistry test scene in TWS.

It will either be an A-lev actress (quite a few of them have been waving their nerd cards around lately) or a very promising rising actress who comes out of nowhere (think Margot Robie of today or Sigourney Weaver of yesterday, but not tomorrow's Gal Gadot -- not yet) who will be surrounded by a stellar supporting cast. She will not be anyone's subordinated love interest as the lead in the movie.

How many times do the people involved have to confirm their is romance between Steve and Sharon before some people on here accept it?

Some people may never accept it, even if Steve and Sharon have a grand wedding at the end of IW and ride into the sunset on unicorns. Please note the fully confirmed yet widely rejected pairing of Thor and Jane. (Is it just me or does anyone else doubt that we'll ever see Jane in the MCU again?)

 

[Stevie2020]

So, marvel sources told them,that they cast EVC for some role and they just assumed it's definitely will be Carter and female lead? Deadline made things up? I doubt it. But even so, there is no reason otherwise to give Mackie such decent role and only glorified cameo to her. She isn't female lead in Civil War either. I think, those rumors from some extras on TWS set about her incompetent acting were true.

Oh, please share some of those TWS set rumors. I'm just in the mood for some gossip

 

[BoredGuy]

think someone just made that up

 

[Majik1387]

Anyone who's seen the movies Carriers, Black Irish, and Norman, knows she's not an incompetent actress.

 

[CaptainWagner]

On the bright side, at least the EVC hate isn't nearly as bad as the JLaw hate over on the X-Boards.

 

[RedRose]

I'm trying to figure out what the discussion here is exactly....

 

[BoredGuy]

yeah but this hate seems to have came more out of nowhere

Jlaw has had a couple movies of performances some people disagree with and being over-exposed depending on your perspective, as well as making some foolish comments that haven't endeared her
with EVC, after 5 seconds of screen time, some around here decided "she is the worst actress on the planet and she's useless and ugly and Cap should tell her to f*** off"
not that it's very nice to Lawrence either, but it feels like there's a different quality to it here

 

[Stevie2020]

yeah but this hate seems to have came more out of nowhere

Jlaw has had a couple movies of performances some people disagree with and being over-exposed depending on your perspective, as well as making some foolish comments that haven't endeared her
with EVC, after 5 seconds of screen time, some around here decided "she is the worst actress on the planet and she's useless and ugly and Cap should tell her to f*** off"
not that it's very nice to Lawrence either, but it feels like there's a different quality to it here

Wow. Seriously? Ok.

How about this, which is closer to what is happening WRT posters who aren't pro-Sharon:

-As an actress, she's OK but not great and hasn't made a strong impression yet in the MCU, acting nor character-wise.

-She's cute and looks the part, but her character hasn't been introduced or written well which is not the actresses fault.

-Sharon Carter < Peggy Carter = primary issue with this character as love interest for Cap in the MCU (or as a strong independent female character for that matter) for some. This probably would not be the case if the characters weren't related, but since they are I think the writers have been lazy about writing her. I know it that she and this relationship is canon, but it's thought that this relationship was introduced in the first place in the comics to stir stuff up.

-And some people think SC is part of a talent development arrangement between Disney/EVC (totally unsubstantiated, but I do subscribe to this theory if I'm being honest.)

And none of this should be a big deal, but I know that some of us are bored and there is little news. So it gets discussed.

So it's possible that the character and casting of A13/SC is accomplishing just what it is supposed to accomplish.

That's another 2cents worth of nothing for now. Carry on...