Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 1

[BoredGuy]

well I'm obviously exaggerating but there have been some very harsh responses to a character who was given literally no time to develop

 

[Stevie2020]

well I'm obviously exaggerating but there have been some very harsh responses to a character who was given literally no time to develop

Well, yeah. People do have their reasons for reacting to fictional characters the way they do and not all of them are rational. It is what it is I guess.

 

[Majik1387]

On the bright side, at least the EVC hate isn't nearly as bad as the JLaw hate over on the X-Boards.

True, though I stand by that she's being a diva about the blue make-up and there's no good excuse for her not to be blue.

 

[Stevie2020]

On the bright side, at least the EVC hate isn't nearly as bad as the JLaw hate over on the X-Boards.

That's a different brand of hateration that's 80% driven by personality and celebrity issues and made extra special because fans don't like how she portrays the character.

 

[DontheJon]

Again she only got 3 minutes of screen time. How and what did you manage to hate within those 3 minutes? Is it because Cap will finally move on from Peggy like how Peggy moved on from Cap decades ago where her hubby and children are proof of that.

There's no chance of shoehorning a romance with Cap in CW (hopefully) because Evans and EVC even said so. They're just getting to know each other with a side of flirtation and the Staron romance if any will play out in IW.

Stomach her with Cap? Thanks for that backhanded comment. t:

Sharon is not going to occur because Romanogers will. Check out what the directors said.

 

[RedRose]

Sharon is not going to occur because Romanogers will. Check out what the directors said.

Do you mean the "heart is with Caps side" comment? That could mean Bucky or Hawkeye (he is her best friend) , or it could mean what it sounds like, which is she understands where that side is coming from.

I still think they will head towards Steve/Sharon.

 

[TalismanRing]

True, though I stand by that she's being a diva about the blue make-up and there's no good excuse for her not to be blue.

Doesn't it make her sick? I'd think that's a pretty good excuse.

But then fans tend to forget these are humans and not dress up dolls so their petty concerns of health over months of filming shouldn't matter if it means making a slight dent in our 2 hours of entertainment.

 

[Voltron]

True, though I stand by that she's being a diva about the blue make-up and there's no good excuse for her not to be blue.

Also there are shots of her fully clothed in the trailer so the make-up can just be applied on her face, neck, and hands. I like JLaw, but I think she was miscast as Mystique and would've made an excellent Rogue instead since she is from Kentucky.

 

[Voltron]

Sharon is not going to occur because Romanogers will. Check out what the directors said.

I did and Joe Russo once again was emphatic that their relationship is PLATONIC AND BROTHER/SISTER/SIBLINGS.

 

[TalismanRing]

I did and Joe Russo once again was emphatic that their relationship is PLATONIC AND BROTHER/SISTER/SIBLINGS.

Uh huh. Siblings maybe. Platonic no. Their chemistry plays more like Flower In The Attic and Ultimates Wanda/Pietro siblings.

 

[Voltron]

Where is time for that in CW, I wonder? And why Russos talked about Steve-Sam-Bucky dinamic without her.

Time when she's on screen and her interactions with other characters apart from Steve.

If they have managed to make her likeable, why Russos themselves don't seem to be much interested in her so far?

What? If they make her likable then that would show some interest from them.

Again, again and again, it's very comfortable excuse for you, I understand, but it's been said like 100 times already: I don't mind practically any ship, except Staron. I would love to see Wanda with Cap, even Hill with Cap. But Staron is not moving on from Peggy, it's exactly the opposite. Especially developing their relationship ONLY after Steve learns, that she's a Carter. When he didn't know that, he wasn't much interested to call her. He hasn't had any girlfriend since defrosting, and it's been like 5 years! And now the first one will be Sharon, with whom he can talk about Peggy and feel that connection again. Gross. They are canon in comics, and so what? MCU has gone very far away from the comics canon by now and Russos admitted, they "don’t always honour the mythology from the books" when it doesn't fit. Comics are not ideal at all.
And I don't want to even begin on how bad EVC is as an actress. And not just from these 3 minutes in TWS at all. No wonder her role was given to Black Widow.

Likewise with you and your Sharon/Staron irrational hate excuses. Hey man, blame the comics. Sharon was introduced first in the comics then Peggy was written in later to serve as Sharon's backstory/background. At least in the MCU Steggy only shared one kiss. And it's not gross because Cap is not related to Sharon and Sharon is not related to Cap.

What's interesting, that both Evans and ScarJo practically are saying that there is little room for romance in CW, while EVC says,that they "get to explore" it. Someone here either underestimates or overestimates the scale of things.

Hey EVC also said there's a little romance.

Scarjo failed the charisma test in Iron Man 2, and yet...

And the execution.

 

[RedRose]

Uh huh. Siblings maybe. Platonic no. Their chemistry plays more like Flower In The Attic and Ultimates Wanda/Pietro siblings.

To be fair, this is the case with most pairings in these movies. Steve/Bucky, Clint/Natasha, Thor/Loki, etc etc

 

[Voltron]

Uh huh. Siblings maybe. Platonic no. Their chemistry plays more like Flower In The Attic and Ultimates Wanda/Pietro siblings.

Well Joe Russo said it himself it's platonic. http://3g.163.com/ntes/special/00340BF8/seventlive.html?plg_nld=1&plg_uin=1&plg_nld=1&roomid=71195&spsf=wx&plg_auth=1&plg_dev=1&token=MBM7oLuzNlh6H66dQNk4hDbGXijqMtNWViAVwAT%20GtZ48ErR02zJ6%2FKXOnxX046I&spst=4&plg_usr=1&plg_vkey=1&spss=newsapp&spsw=1 And for you ladies (& gents), Joe also said that Cap gets wet submerged in water t: (and that Evans got an eye infection).

For you Stucky shippers Joe said that Cap/TWS are brothers and not lovers, but the audience can interpret their relationship anyway they want.

Also the Cap/Nat bond in TWS will continue in CW and IW so Nat/Cap won't die in CW. Joe said that their relationship is pivotal and they share two of the most endearing scenes to him in CW cmad: couldn't they give at least one endearing Staron scene too). Looks like they gave Nat Sharon's role in the comics again, TWS and now CW. Funny I thought Bucky/Steve would be given the most endearing scene/s.

 

[TalismanRing]

Unless Nat gets brainwashed and pumps Steve full of bullets then no BW won't have taken up Sharon's comic role in Civil War.

 

[Voltron]

That wasn't the only role Sharon played in CW .

She was more undecided and neutral and tried to get Cap to adhere to the Act like what Nat seems to be doing in the trailer. t:

 

[Rote]

So the Russos, everyone at ABC, and everyone at Disney, all missed that she was "terrible"?

They gave Natasha a big role because her fandom felt entitled to a Black Widow movie and Natasha is a pragmatic spy like Sharon. You can't really slip anyone else into Sam's role.

Her acting is incompetent but they brought her back for the sequel?

Exactly, they didn't miss it, because she had a VERY small role. And Sam's role basically was just friend, Sharon could take it too. Anyway, I don't see a point to continue this discussion, because you and I, yes, we both will never now. But for me it's saying, that in CW they AGAIN gave her supposedly big role (many were so convinced, that in Cap3 EVC will definitely get female lead) to BW, and it seems like she AGAIN have rather small role. They already had RDJ and Avengers, why would they need big role for BW AGAIN?
They needed someone in the goverment with good motivation to be loyal to Steve, so yeah, they brought her back, but didn't give her difficult or important role to play.

Oh, please share some of those TWS set rumors. I'm just in the mood for some gossip

Well, that was more than a year ago, I didn't write it down, but I remember extra saying, that she couldn't do right the simple scene, needed very great amount of takes and whispered her way through perfomance.

What? If they make her likable then that would show some interest from them.

Exactly. You DO understand, that they already have a rough cut of the movie? Some people (James Gunn confirmed it) have already seen it. And yet, so far they showed very little interest in her. That means, that her role didn't impress them. Do you expect them to suddenly begin to like her in the middle of post-production?

Likewise with you and your Sharon/Staron irrational hate excuses. Hey man, blame the comics. Sharon was introduced first in the comics then Peggy was written in later to serve as Sharon's backstory/background. At least in the MCU Steggy only shared one kiss. And it's not gross because Cap is not related to Sharon and Sharon is not related to Cap.

Again: MCU has gone very far from the comics long time ago, so I can't blame them. I can blame only MCU for such lazy approach with Steve's love life after defrosting. And love is not measured in the quantity of kisses. It's about feelings, and Steve and Peggy actually have a romance of a great scale in the MCU.

For you Stucky shippers Joe said that Cap/TWS are brothers and not lovers, but the audience can interpret their relationship anyway they want.

Well, to be fair, he didn't deny it, he said it's their interpretation. t:
Not like they could say anything else, it's a mainstream movie, what a fool would expect them to actually say, that Cap is gay or bisexual
Anyway, AGAIN, love is not about sex. They are not romantically involved, and so what? Love is about love and Bucky will always be Steve's "before anyone else". From the Evans' interview in Chinese Modern Weekly:

Who do you think Captain America loves most. Carter, Black Widow or Bucky?
Chris: Bucky, I guess. Cap sure loves everyone. But among all the people, Bucky is the only friend who chained his life together.

And from EW:

This is — I don’t want to give too much about the plot away but Bucky’s a big piece of the puzzle in this movie just because it gives Steve something that he really hasn’t had besides Peggy, but even Peggy is well on in her life.
No one on this planet knew him then. No one is left. He doesn’t have any peace with his youth. He doesn’t have any peace from his life, so Bucky and whatever happens with Bucky in this movie…That’s a big piece in terms of him kind of finding his own purpose in what he’s fighting for and how that friendship can come back to life. Not just them as soldiers, but them as friends.

Steve's words from TWS: "It's hard to find someone with shared life experience".
And this will always be the reason. If Bucky were a woman, this would be the greatest love story of the MCU. It IS a love story, just not about romantic love. MCU's Sharon obviously will never be the most important person in Steve's life, romantic or not. Maybe she will be the third. After Nat/Steve.

Also the Cap/Nat bond in TWS will continue in CW and IW so Nat/Cap won't die in CW. Joe said that their relationship is pivotal and they share two of the most endearing scenes to him in CW cmad: couldn't they give at least one endearing Staron scene too). Looks like they gave Nat Sharon's role in the comics again, TWS and now CW. Funny I thought Bucky/Steve would be given the most endearing scene/s.

OMG, "of the most", not like they said there are only two endearing scenes in the movie. And I'm sure, other will be Stucky, because they already said multiple times, that SteveBucky relationship is the heart of the movie.
It is high time to understand that Russos are far more invested in Steve/Nat than Staron, no matter which is platonic and which is romantic. Chemistry is just right there.

 

[Stevie2020]

Again: MCU has gone very far from the comics long time ago, so I can't blame them. I can blame only MCU for such lazy approach with Steve's love life after defrosting. And love is not measured in the quantity of kisses. It's about feelings, and Steve and Peggy actually have a romance of a great scale in the MCU.

Awwww...

Here's some Steggy-style chemistry (with a little tumblr-icious embelishment):

Spoiler

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Exactly, they didn't miss it, because she had a VERY small role.

Right, but according to you, they hired her, somehow being fooled by her audition and past performances, and then had to shoot some scenes with her where she turned out to be terrible.

And Sam's role basically was just friend, Sharon could take it too.

Except Sam's role hinged on him being an outsider, with no relationship to SHIELD. Unless they changed her to not being a SHIELD agent, they couldn't have done that.

Anyway, I don't see a point to continue this discussion, because you and I, yes, we both will never now. But for me it's saying, that in CW they AGAIN gave her supposedly big role (many were so convinced, that in Cap3 EVC will definitely get female lead) to BW, and it seems like she AGAIN have rather small role. They already had RDJ and Avengers, why would they need big role for BW AGAIN?

Because the Black Widow lobby is still beating their chests over the injustice of not having a six part Black Widow series, two seasons of Netflix already. So they'll be pandered to, again.

 

[MbJ]

Eh, Black Widow having a bigger role than Sharon is logical. She was Steve's partner in the last one so it'd make sense for her to continue having a big part.

It's also not her fault she's significantly more popular than Sharon.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Eh, Black Widow having a bigger role than Sharon is logical. She was Steve's partner in the last one so it'd make sense for her to continue having a big part.

She isn't now, though.

 

[Stevie2020]

She isn't now, though.

I'm gonna assume they've been partnered up in developing/ managing the Avengers team from the last movie up until the incident.

The trailer implies that the partnership still lingers.

 

[Njova]

I don't understand some peoples obsession with Natasha and Steve to get them together romantically they're just FRIENDS yes they have chemistry but so do Steve and Bucky Tony and Steve all the Avengers have great chemistry together. This obsessive need to push Natasha and Steve together when neither one has expressed those kinds of feelings for the other and then people not liking Sharon just because she and Cap could potentially be in a relationship together because they want him and Nat together is ridiculous and obviously no one will ever replace Peggy who is always going to be Steve's true love anyway.

 

[BoredGuy]

shhhhh don't point out that they're just friends, even though it was specifically and firmly stated in TWS
people will start screaming "SUBTEXT!" at you and say you don't feel feelings

 

[Spitfire]

The simple fact is that if Staron is going to happen, EVC needs to deliver a degree of chemistry with Chris Evans that is equally/more compelling as what he had with Hayley and Scarlett. It will be weird if Cap has better chemistry with a friend (Nat) than his girlfriend (Sharon).

Hayley and Chris created an amazing bond between their characters in TFA which was great to watch. Chris & Scarlett have been hired together by other directors so I think it was naive of Marvel to put these two flirting in TWS and not expect people to like their chemistry.

A well-written romance with actors with genuine chemistry can be great though (Pepperony & Steggy).

 

[BoredGuy]

but it's funny, in Chris and Scarlett's previous roles together, they've been accused of having very little chemistry, Marvel probably didn't think it would be an issue