Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 2

[Voltron]

Found this on twitter. EVC and Holland looked chummy in the gif where she even rubs his back so I wonder if Spidey and Sharon have a scene together. Also Holland seems like a sweet young lad.

 

[Voltron]

The next team movie are the Infinity War movies, which will have 5,000 characters. I doubt much focus will be on the main characters' romances at all. It will be like Pepper/Tony and Thor/Jane, forgotten or severely sidelined in the team movies, except Steve/Sharon didn't get the chance to be developed by either of those because they didn't do it in any of the Cap movies. Sharon will probably show up to fight at some point, I imagine, but unless they really decide to make her one of the core characters in another movie, CW was probably the most screentime she'll have going forward. I guess anything's possible though, you never know.

But Sharon is a different love interest to those women because she fights and kicks ass and isn't a damsel in distress. It would be really inconsistent if she doesn't appear in IW. But I haven't seen CW yet so I don't know if Cap dies or not. You can't exactly date a dead person.

 

[noakai]

But Sharon is a different love interest to those women because she fights and kicks ass and isn't a damsel in distress. It would be really inconsistent if she doesn't appear in IW. But I haven't seen CW yet so I don't know if Cap dies or not. You can't exactly date a dead person.

Which is why I said she'd probably show up to fight at some point, maybe. But I don't expect her to be the main focus of anything, not with a ton of characters and bigger plots (i.e. Thanos, the Infinity Gems, and getting the team back together, and that's just what we know so far) to focus on. The second and third Cap movies were probably her best shot at having a lot of screentime.

 

[Voltron]

Hoping she shows up to fight in IW too and I want to see Sharon in a proper fight and not a quick 5 sec cut. Also I don't know if she's still working for the government or she goes back to work for SHIELD/Fury. I can understand why she doesn't wear her SHIELD costume because she doesn't work for SHIELD.

Ugh Thanos. I haven't been impressed with what I've seen so far of him.

Yeah TWS and CW Sharon screen time, we all know what happened there, and I've made many suggestions.

 

[Voltron]

Found this.

it didint fee like Natasha and Bruce imo. It felt like a genuine, very casual relationship. Felt like they've been together since ait the after AOU. They're very comfortable wth each other. The relationship isnt shoved down your throat.

Sharon's screen time is pretty solid. She's not in it for just 5 minutes. Maybe 15-20. I liked her role. She has a purpose in this film. A greater purpose than she did in TWS.

I recall Peggy got around 26-28 mins of screen time in TFA.

 

[Raiden]

Hoping she shows up to fight in IW too and I want to see Sharon in a proper fight and not a quick 5 sec cut. Also I don't know if she's still working for the government or she goes back to work for SHIELD/Fury. I can understand why she doesn't wear her SHIELD costume because she doesn't work for SHIELD.

Ugh Thanos. I haven't been impressed with what I've seen so far of him.

Yeah TWS and CW Sharon screen time, we all know what happened there, and I've made many suggestions.

I also hope Sharon will get her comic costume instead of wearing something she could purchase at The Gap or other retail stores.

 

[ScarlettW]

But Sharon is a different love interest to those women because she fights and kicks ass and isn't a damsel in distress. It would be really inconsistent if she doesn't appear in IW. But I haven't seen CW yet so I don't know if Cap dies or not. You can't exactly date a dead person.

Sharon can be badass, but she's here as a love interest and to help Steve. I mean, from what I read almost all her scenes are with Steve.

IW will have more characters: Cap, Natasha, Hulk, Thor, Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Spider Man, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Ant-Man, Falcon Vision, Spider-Man, Peter Quill, Captain Marvel and others we don`t know yet. Russos said in an interview they will focus in secondary characters:

“Everything is finite, right? Nothing can last forever. It’s cyclical. Some New Avengers in phase 4 are going to become prominent and then maybe some Avengers might not be around anymore. So, we’ll see how all this plays out but you have to treat every character with respect. I think it’s interesting that if you’ve seen four or five movies with the lead character having an arc, I want to see some story telling from some of the secondary characters. We’re focusing on that right now with Infinity War while we’re breaking into those movies, is which characters can we pull to the forefront who potentially haven’t had their own ‘A’ story arc to this point. I think you’ll see that the supporting Avengers are going to become primary Avengers.”

I can see Sharon as Maria Hill and in an established relationship with Steve, but not more than that.

 

[MbJ]

You want to get us in a snarl of circular arguments to get a cheap win...

A cheap win? Dude, I don't care. I'm just saying it's rather paranoid to say the Russos hate Sharon instead of the much more obvious explanation.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

For a guy who doesn't care you seem intent on challenging the idea. The Russos not liking Sharon is the obvious explanation.

 

[MbJ]

For a guy who doesn't care you seem intent on challenging the idea.

I don't care about trying to spite you or whatever you seem to be implying, is what I was saying.

The Russos not liking Sharon is the obvious explanation.

No, the obvious explanation is that they decided to focus more on characters who they felt were more important to the story or were bigger draws than Sharon. Just like they knew putting Scarjo's name in all the trailers for TWS would sell more tickets than EVC. Which sucks for Sharon, but is something that happens with just about every comic book movie.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

If only characters who already known to the GA are the ones who can get focused on then it is a wonder how anyone gets known to the GA in the first place.

 

[ScarlettW]

I don't care about trying to spite you or whatever you seem to be implying, is what I was saying.



No, the obvious explanation is that they decided to focus more on characters who they felt were more important to the story or were bigger draws than Sharon. Just like they knew putting Scarjo's name in all the trailers for TWS would sell more tickets than EVC. Which sucks for Sharon, but is something that happens with just about every comic book movie.

I saw the list of alleged actresses for the role: Rachel McAdams, Elizabeth Olsen, but none of them would sign for 3 minutes of screentime.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Blaming EVC for Sharon's treatment is like getting a dog at the pound and being disappointed that it isn't a cat.

Anthony Mackie wasn't a huge star, nor was Falcon a huge character before TWS, but they put in the work and he proved to be a hit. And now he's relevant and can show up anywhere because they actually expended some effort.

They didn't expend much effort into Sharon, so what does that tell you?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Blaming EVC for Sharon's treatment is like getting a dog at the pound and being disappointed that it isn't a cat.

Anthony Mackie wasn't a huge star, nor was Falcon a huge character before TWS, but they put in the work and he proved to be a hit. And now he's relevant and can show up anywhere because they actually expended some effort.

They didn't expend much effort into Sharon, so what does that tell you?

Mackie had already been in some major film roles (She Hate Me, Hurt Locker, and Adjustment Bureau, and Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter to name a few) before getting Falcon while EVC was known mainly for her TV roles, making her a bit of an unknown at the film level.

 

[Britney]

I saw the list of alleged actresses for the role: Rachel McAdams, Elizabeth Olsen, but none of them would sign for 3 minutes of screentime.

Oh really?

Emily signed on the role as the female LEAD of the film when she joined the cast and she beat out Emilia Clarke, Felicity Jones, Anna Kendrick, Alison Brie and Mary Elizabeth Winstead, among others.

EVC DID NOT join the film for a 3 min role and they DID NOT cast her for a 3 min role.

http://deadline.com/2013/02/revenges-emily-vancamp-lands-lead-in-captain-america-2-419290/

http://www.slashfilm.com/revenge-st...e-lead-in-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/

I hate how people are trying to blame the actress for the role. She wasn't given much to work with, they did not minimize her role because of EVC fame or acting talent. She is quite popular as well from headlining a major show, Revenge, on ABC for a good number of years.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Mackie had already been in some major film roles (She Hate Me, Hurt Locker, and Adjustment Bureau, and Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter to name a few) before getting Falcon while EVC was known mainly for her TV roles, making her a bit of an unknown at the film level.

You can't cast EVC than blame her for not being famous or talented enough.

 

[Chesterfield]

Blaming EVC for Sharon's treatment is like getting a dog at the pound and being disappointed that it isn't a cat.

 

[ScarlettW]

Oh really?

Emily signed on the role as the female LEAD of the film when she joined the cast and she beat out Emilia Clarke, Felicity Jones, Anna Kendrick, Alison Brie and Mary Elizabeth Winstead, among others.

EVC DID NOT join the film for a 3 min role and they DID NOT cast her for a 3 min role.

http://deadline.com/2013/02/revenges-emily-vancamp-lands-lead-in-captain-america-2-419290/

http://www.slashfilm.com/revenge-st...e-lead-in-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/

I hate how people are trying to blame the actress for the role. She wasn't given much to work with, they did not minimize her role because of EVC fame or acting talent. She is quite popular as well from headlining a major show, Revenge, on ABC for a good number of years.

I didn't know who she was before TWS. I think many people don't know who she is. Just to be clear, I think she is an bland actress, but seems to be a lovely person.
I didn't know that said it was a leading role. My apologies.
I don't blame Emily, she was in a TV series, sign for a Marvel movie attracts a lot of attention, especially after The Avengers. She was right to accept.

I don't remember which site I read the list of actresses included Rachel Mcadams, Elizabeth Olsen and Anna Kendrick. I was talking about them, they would have dropped out after learning that the role has been reduced to three minutes. two of these are expensive actresses, a studio wouldn't pay much for an actress to stay only three minutes, with the exception of Elizabeth Olsen that wasn't known at that time.

 

[ScarlettW]

Blaming EVC for Sharon's treatment is like getting a dog at the pound and being disappointed that it isn't a cat.

Anthony Mackie wasn't a huge star, nor was Falcon a huge character before TWS, but they put in the work and he proved to be a hit. And now he's relevant and can show up anywhere because they actually expended some effort.

They didn't expend much effort into Sharon, so what does that tell you?

I'm not blaming EVC. The fault is not hers and I would do the same if I was her. Guilt is the one who chose her, who decided to reduce the role.

Mackie was in The Hurt Locker and in many other films. He gives a great performance in THL. I'm sorry for those who only know him as Falcon. I hope people will look for other work he did because he's very talented. I never doubted that he would be a great as Sam.

 

[DN91]

Mackie is pretty damned funny in Pain & Gain (that Michael Bay bodybuilding movie with The Rock & Mark Wahlberg, which was coincidentally written by Markus & McFeely, the Captain America screenwriters).

 

[Voltron]

I also hope Sharon will get her comic costume instead of wearing something she could purchase at The Gap or other retail stores.

Instead of the puffy North Face vest I wish they got her to wear a grey tuxedo-like vest instead.

Sharon can be badass, but she's here as a love interest and to help Steve. I mean, from what I read almost all her scenes are with Steve.

Unfortunately I have to take what I can get.

I can see Sharon as Maria Hill and in an established relationship with Steve, but not more than that.

Too bad that's the most I can hope for.

No, the obvious explanation is that they decided to focus more on characters who they felt were more important to the story or were bigger draws than Sharon. Just like they knew putting Scarjo's name in all the trailers for TWS would sell more tickets than EVC. Which sucks for Sharon, but is something that happens with just about every comic book movie.

Not necessarily because it depends on the movie. Keep in mind that Scarjo even with a wider name recognition wasn't a box office draw BEFORE Marvel/Black Widow. Also I dislike this reasoning because it shouldn't be about who's the bigger actor but instead it should be about presenting Cap's story and characters and doing justice to Cap's mythos.

 

[Voltron]

Found another comment:

Sharon got more screen time than I expected, but not as much as I would like. Steve and Sharon's chemistry is much more natural than Banner and Widow.

I'm really hoping that Sharon gets at least 15 mins. I might bring a stop watch to time her screen time t:.

For comparison's sake, Sharon's being treated like Hawkeye in their first two movie outings. Hawkeye got 35 secs in Thor and 12.45 mins in TA while Sharon got 3 mins in TWS and maybe around 8-15 mins in CW.

 

[Mysteryman]

I always Thought Hawkeye was lucky to be in Thor.
If anyone was shoehorned into one of these MUCU stories, it was him.

 

[TalismanRing]

Oh really?

Emily signed on the role as the female LEAD of the film when she joined the cast and she beat out Emilia Clarke, Felicity Jones, Anna Kendrick, Alison Brie and Mary Elizabeth Winstead, among others.

EVC DID NOT join the film for a 3 min role and they DID NOT cast her for a 3 min role.

http://deadline.com/2013/02/revenges-emily-vancamp-lands-lead-in-captain-america-2-419290/

http://www.slashfilm.com/revenge-st...e-lead-in-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/

I hate how people are trying to blame the actress for the role. She wasn't given much to work with, they did not minimize her role because of EVC fame or acting talent. She is quite popular as well from headlining a major show, Revenge, on ABC for a good number of years.

It was assumed she was the female lead by a couple of the trades when she was signed, probably because of the character she plays. No where did Marvel, the Russos and McFeely says she was. Just like some wrongly assumed Bruhl had been hired for Dr Strange when his casting was announced.

By then, two months before they started filming, they had already written the script and it had been pretty much locked down so she knew she wasn't signing up for a lead role as did every other actress who was rumored for it.

The Russos talk about how the script was pretty finished and polished even before they signed on as directors a year before that. Casting and making sure they had Scarlett was done well before that. M&M said that the Fury's spy role in the script was originally a run of the mill agent until they decided to make her Sharon.

 

[Knight_SV]

Well, if Feige had the power to see the future and knew BvS will underperformed box office and critically, then CW will not happen until phase 4 and the third cap movie will be about Serpent Society and Sharon will get more major role