Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 2

[Mysteryman]

if it is an entertaining moment in the film, I will settle for that, too

 

[Voltron]

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Let's see, they gave Sharon's comic role to BW in TWS and parts in CW. They failed to adequately develop her in TWS to some extent like in the comics.

So vexing because how Chris describes MCU SteveNat is Staron in the comics! It's like they themselves shot Sharon in the foot and it's all Sharon's fault?! I think it'd have been better off if they never introduced Sharon in the MCU since it's half-arsed, they've mistreated her and she'd be better off in AoS.

I don't appreciate how Chris implies that Sharon's only a Peggy replacement, and Peggy's reincarnation to Steve .

 

[Sevprince]

I feel for Sharon fans. It sucks when your favorite characters get shortchanged in other medias. Seeing millions of people get introduced to that downgraded version sucks. As Talia fan, I know the feeling.

Is very hard for Sharon not to come across as replacement for Peggy in the MCU. My own headcanon when I read about the kiss was that Steve just wanted to feel closer to Peggy. Is the only way I could make sense of why Steve would be open to flirting or kissing any woman when Peggy just dead and that whole thing is on his mind.

So yeah, it would have been better if they didn't bother with the whole Sharon thing if this was how they were going to handle the situation. If that relationship was supposed to be important to Steve than Sharon should have been in the BW role in WS although that would have been different movie and I may have not loved it but you have to do the characters justice.

 

[Mysteryman]

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Let's see, they gave Sharon's comic role to BW in TWS and parts in CW. They failed to adequately develop her in TWS to some extent like in the comics.

So vexing because how Chris describes MCU SteveNat is Staron in the comics! It's like they themselves shot Sharon in the foot and it's all Sharon's fault?! I think it'd have been better off if they never introduced Sharon in the MCU since it's half-arsed, they've mistreated her and she'd be better off in AoS.

I don't appreciate how Chris implies that Sharon's only a Peggy replacement, and Peggy's reincarnation to Steve .

Nobody gave Sharon's role to BW, The press got it wrong about EVC being cast as the lead.

 

[Britney]

where are you getting that info?

all the trades reported she auditioned and won the role of the female lead in the film... and they all mention there was talk of scarjo coming back in some capacity too.

I believe EVC as SC was the female lead and marvel wanted to highlight black widow more since either they weren't planning to give her a solo film and wanted her fleshed out more, or they wanted the starpower she could bring to the film - and gave her a bigger role and reduced SC's role in the film.

EVC beat out some other up and coming "it girl" actresses for the role so I doubt it was for a 3 min part. Even the writers of TWS and CW both mentioned they wanted to flesh SC out and for some reason it looks like Marvel keeps putting other characters in Caps films that take her screen time.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

It was the Russos who pushed for BW to get a much bigger role.

Before that, I think Sharon might have been the female lead in M&M's script. Then the Russos joined the project and things changed. The trades kept thinking that the female character being cast was still the female lead, so they reported it as such.

Nobody gave Sharon's role to BW, The press got it wrong about EVC being cast as the lead.

But what Evans described, the two of them (CA and BW) being from different worlds and finding comfort in each other, is an accurate description of Steve and Sharon's comics dynamic.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

It was the Russos who pushed for BW to get a much bigger role.

Before that, I think Sharon might have been the female lead in M&M's script. Then the Russos joined the project and things changed. The trades kept thinking that the female character being cast was still the female lead, so they reported it as such.



But what Evans described, the two of them (CA and BW) being from different worlds and finding comfort in each other, is an accurate description of Steve and Sharon's comics dynamic.

I disagree with your last point, I never got that vibe from Steve and Sharon in the comics.

 

[Voltron]

I feel for Sharon fans. It sucks when your favorite characters get shortchanged in other medias. Seeing millions of people get introduced to that downgraded version sucks. As Talia fan, I know the feeling.

Is very hard for Sharon not to come across as replacement for Peggy in the MCU. My own headcanon when I read about the kiss was that Steve just wanted to feel closer to Peggy. Is the only way I could make sense of why Steve would be open to flirting or kissing any woman when Peggy just dead and that whole thing is on his mind.

So yeah, it would have been better if they didn't bother with the whole Sharon thing if this was how they were going to handle the situation. If that relationship was supposed to be important to Steve than Sharon should have been in the BW role in WS although that would have been different movie and I may have not loved it but you have to do the characters justice.

Thanks for the commiseration. I don't know but there are a few who have seen early screenings that have said that they handled the whole Carter connection revelation and Staron well.

I disagree with your last point, I never got that vibe from Steve and Sharon in the comics.

Really? There are heaps of comic panels that show Staron comforting each other and a couple I've posted earlier on this thread. It was Sharon who Steve turned to when he found out about Bucky, not BW. It was Sharon who Steve turned to before, during, and after Peggy's funeral, not BW. It was Sharon who tried to reason with Steve about opposing the registration in CW, not BW.

Nobody gave Sharon's role to BW, The press got it wrong about EVC being cast as the lead.

Really? Because BW's role resembled Sharon's in the TWS comics. And russos admitted that they pushed for BW to get a bigger role that turned into a co-lead.

 

[Voltron]

On a lighter note, Berlin Press Conference where EVC was asked, "how does a man of his age taste by kissing?"t:. Too bad EVC didn't kiss and tell or played along to give a fun answer.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I disagree with your last point, I never got that vibe from Steve and Sharon in the comics.

You do realize that Sharon is a spy, right?

But if it is Sharon being dubious and secretive you want...

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Nope, I still don't get that vibe. Natasha in TWS wasn't just dubious and secretive, she was proud of it. Also I have other issues with that panel being applied to this situation that I'm not going to get into.

 

[Voltron]

Makes me question if Evans has read any of the Cap comics or he just reads the scripts and relies on the writers, directors, and so on to give him the details.

Oh looks its Sharon comforting Steve.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Nope, I still don't get that vibe. Natasha in TWS wasn't just dubious and secretive, she was proud of it.

Yeah, and she had red hair!

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Makes me question if Evans has read any of the Cap comics or he just reads the scripts and relies on the writers, directors, and so on to give him the details.

I think the same can be said about most comic book actors, really.

 

[Voltron]

I think the same can be said about most comic book actors, really.

Which is why Evans saying the reasons he wants BW to be Cap's lover annoying because he basically described Sharon and Staron's dynamic relationship from the comics. t: It's shiddy that MCU BW was basically given Sharon's role.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

TBH I don't think they let him make any decision either way.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Yeah, and she had red hair!

Her and Nick Fury were pretty callous in TWS. There was almost no reasoning with them until they suspected foul play. Sharon in that panel felt bad for Steve having to do something he didn't want to do - which he would funnily enough do in the MCU - there's not enough of a moral divide there imo.

Also given BW's past crimes in the MCU they'd have to make Sharon literally match up to her to get the same effect of a moral divide between Steve and her. I'm talking hospital fires and whatnot.

 

[Voltron]

I didn't think Fury and BW were callous in TWS. They're spies where moral flexibilities come with the role. And Sharon's a spy too. Nat is like Bucky with similar brainwashed backgrounds. Sounds like Evans wants Steve to date the female WS.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

The moral divide is that she's willing to assassinate someone (or something else shady), and Steve isn't. That's the important factor.

The fact that MCU Nat acts smug about it doesn't matter as much as you are sure to argue.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I didn't think Fury and BW were callous in TWS. They're spies where moral flexibilities come with the role. And Sharon's a spy too. BW is like Bucky with similar brainwashed backgrounds. Sounds like Evans wants Steve to date the female TWS.

Nat was not brainwashed. Everything she did she had the capacity to not do.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

And Natasha doesn't even exactly fit comic book Natasha, either, nor was she smug/proud about her activities before The Avengers.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

And Natasha doesn't even exactly fit comic book Natasha, either, nor was she smug/proud about her activities before The Avengers.

MCU Nat was not smug about her pre-Avengers activities as her talk with Loki/Hawkeye in TA shows. She was smug about her SHIELD activities until mid-way through TWS. She thought she turned over a new leaf but she found herself exactly where she started.

 

[Voltron]

Nat was not brainwashed. Everything she did she had the capacity to not do.

I'd say being trained as a child to become an assassin/spy is being brainwashed and indoctrinated. I'd likened it to brainwashed child soldiers.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

MCU Nat was not smug about her pre-Avengers activities as her talk with Loki/Hawkeye in TA shows. She was smug about her SHIELD activities until mid-way through TWS. She thought she turned over a new leaf but she found herself exactly where she started.

And was she smug about her SHIELD activities before TWS?

 

[Ms. Marvel]

And was she smug about her SHIELD activities before TWS?

Well yeah, if you see the scene in the Lumerian Star when Steve finds her in that room after fighting Batroc.

Granted that wasn't "before" TWS, but it was before the big reveal. So she probably had that attitude in her usual SHIELD missions. Also the beginning scene of TA when she was being interrogated, I saw her as smug.