Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 2

[Voltron]

I'm aware. I only bolded it because Staron was mentioned and they hardly get any mentions.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

ScarletVision confirmed, yet behold no one calling it shoehorned.

I want to know what 'playing with' implies, exactly. Because TWS 'played with it' as well.

If they mean if they don't get to the point of kissing, or exchanging a declaration of love, or even asking each other out... That's fine. The lead up is always the better part of a superhero romance, and I would go as far as saying that Peggy and Steve has only become so beloved because there isn't and never will be a payoff.

But do they work together? Do they bond? If they emulate the same type of stuff as Steve and Natasha, you know, ehem, that platonic stuff, that'd be nice.

PS. Note how actually M&M's response was actually informative, and get a load of them putting things in perspective.

 

[Poppy]

In the bolded portion he's talking about time constraints, not shippers.

Yeah i was thinking the same.

t: I love this so much.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I honestly cannot fathom this thread sometimes reading the previous page.

 

[Suzanne78]

You know, for all we know, Vision/SW is shoehorned in....

99.9% of this thread is pure assumption, whether Sharon is liked and by whom. I've always seen the Russos being coy about things, answering things when asked specifically about them. They probably don't want to share too much about anything with Steve and Sharon; something about the climax of CW could also be spoiled as well!

Then again, that's assumption too. So.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

When someone asks, they say something. It's just that way more people are asking about Iron Man or Black Widow or the Avengers or Black Panther. They're bigger draws so they're gonna draw the most interest from the press.

Look at how they answer a question about Pepper, who became involved only in the reshoots.

Pepper has a presence in the film. She’s definitely on Tony’s mind and it’s definitely an important part of what’s going on with him as a character.

Compare how they talk about Sharon.

... it’s a continuation of the storyline with Agent 13. ... She has a bigger role. ... If you’re a fan of the books you can guess where it’s going.

 

[MbJ]

Look at how they answer a question about Pepper, who became involved only in the reshoots.

Pepper, a character who has been in four movies and has a much bigger fanbase than Sharon. Yes, I can see why she warranted more questions and a bigger response.

 

[Suzanne78]

Anyway, that quote about Sharon: what exactly is wrong with it? I read it as more *wink wink, nudge nudge* than a slight about her character, or any other deeper meaning as to what the Directors feel about her.

Maybe we could all stop assuming things and just wait for when the movie comes out? I don't know... It's a crazy thought!

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Pepper, a character who has been in four movies and has a much bigger fanbase than Sharon. Yes, I can see why she warranted more questions and a bigger response.

The popularity of the characters is irrelevant in this case. The interviewer asked about both. Concurrently, I might add, and no, they didn't ask more about Pepper.

Yet, they answered Pepper's concisely, and Sharon's dismissively.

Plus, you know, this would be a chance to help promote Sharon/EVC. Unless, of course, they don't want to.

 

[Jeight]

Russos have said repeatedly that Marvel has never put them any mandates in how they make the movies. So Sharon and VanCamp was their choice. She premiered in their movie, not any other MCU movie. Do you honestly believe they don't care about her?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Why yes, ma'am, I honestly do.

 

[Jeight]

I don't. They agreed to cast her, they didn't inherited her from any previous film and if they didn't want her in CW they would cut her like they did with Hulk. You are gasping at straws. It would paranoid to not care about a character and keep bringing him back in their movies. Makes no sense.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

They did say that.

And M&M said that Feige had mandated that the script be about the fall of SHIELD, and that Fury have a large role in it.

There are a few things to remember about the Russos and TWS's production:

* They came off executive producing Community. A great show, but hardly the best resume any director ever had.
* They came when the script was already written, and then did some changes.
* Said script was written by M&M, who write CATFA. ie They had already been building the Cap franchise.
* They were signed on for only TWS, initially. Their involvement in anything aside from TWS was a complete unknown.

But sure, they were given carte blanchc to shape the Cap franchise with absolutely zero influence and it is by their grace alone did Sharon show up at all

 

[BullMcGiveny]

As for bringing her back, they brought Christine Everhart back, too. Boy, you could really feel the love when they made a joke at her expense.

 

[Jeight]

Yes, i'm sure they agreed to case Emily as every director does for their movie only because they disliked her and wanted to torture her, smh. You do realize they cut Hulk early on from CW and he was added in ragnarok right? They have leverage after TWS and Sharon isn't a manin character. if they told feige they wanted her out, she would be out.

You interpret every word they say as a jab to Sharon. No director casts a character and returns that said character to the sequel if he/she doesn't serve a purpose. Sharon may have been written in the script before Russos got the job but i'm sure as hell VanCamp was their choice.

 

[MbJ]

Yes, i'm sure they agreed to case Emily as every director does for their movie only because they disliked her and wanted to torture her, smh. You do realize they cut Hulk early on from CW and he was added in ragnarok right? They have leverage after TWS and Sharon isn't a manin character. if they told feige they wanted her out, she would be out.

You interpret every word they say as a jab to Sharon. No director casts a character and returns that said character to the sequel if he/she doesn't serve a purpose. Sharon may have been written in the script before Russos got the job but i'm sure as hell VanCamp was their choice.

Clearly it's all a conspiracy to keep Sharon down.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Yes, i'm sure they agreed to case Emily as every director does for their movie only because they disliked her and wanted to torture her, smh.

I'm talking about Sharon. Emily isn't the issue. smh.

You interpret every word they say as a jab to Sharon.

Actually, I'm interpreting the scarcity of words as indicative of the Russos interest.

No director casts a character and returns that said character to the sequel if he/she doesn't serve a purpose. Sharon may have been written in the script before Russos got the job but i'm sure as hell VanCamp was their choice.

You do realize they cut Hulk early on from CW and he was added in ragnarok right? They have leverage after TWS and Sharon isn't a manin character. if they told feige they wanted her out, she would be out.

And if Feige wanted her in, she'd be in.

Clearly it's all a conspiracy to keep Sharon down.

Dude, you think there's some kind of exchange rate for the amount of words to popularity.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I mean, sure, the Russos are apparently able to stomach Sharon enough for her to be in the movie. They haven't clawed their eyes out at the sound of her name, I guess.

That sill doesn't mean they actually care for her. They had her in CATWS in a thankless bit part, and for all we know her role is more of the same. They don't seem eager to dispel that impression when offered the opportunity.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

So Bull is still going on with his conspiracy theories again I see.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Man, I hope none of you ever get jury duty. Or have a partner cheat on you.

 

[Voltron]

ScarletVision confirmed, yet behold no one calling it shoehorned.

Being shoehorned only applies to Sharon because she's not worthy of being Cap's lover even though she has been his lover/friend/co-worker in the comics for HALF A CENTURY.

Yes I've noticed the glaring difference between M/M and the Russos when it comes to talking about Sharon. Russos couldn't care less. There's no enthusiasm, informativeness, tease, and they're not even trying to sell her in anyway like how M/M are. I've noticed this since the TWS dvd commentary, and interviews from them. Like the saying goes, if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all comes to mind.

I also noticed that they ignored the question if EVC plays a pivotal role in the movie, but in an earlier interview they freely and unprompted spoke about how Cap and BW share two pivotal moments in the movie.

However, I'm hoping we are wrong and that the Russos want to keep her role hush hush / surprise. But I doubt it with the evidence presented.

 

[Voltron]

I don't. They agreed to cast her, they didn't inherited her from any previous film and if they didn't want her in CW they would cut her like they did with Hulk. You are gasping at straws. It would paranoid to not care about a character and keep bringing him back in their movies. Makes no sense.

Remember Sharon was suppose to be the leading lady in TWS because she's Cap's leading lady in the comics. Then the Russos mentioned that when they came on board that they fought for BW to have a bigger role (meaning she had a small role initially) that ended up being a co-lead. Then parts of BW's role in TWS and dialogue ends up resembling Sharon's in the comics. The end.

 

[TalismanRing]

Sharon was never meant to be the leading lady in TWS. M&M even said that her role was at first a generic agent working for Fury before she became Agent 13. If anyone's role was cut down to make more room for BW it was Sam's.

 

[Jeight]

Remember Sharon was suppose to be the leading lady in TWS because she's Cap's leading lady in the comics. Then the Russos mentioned that when they came on board that they fought for BW to have a bigger role (meaning she had a small role initially) that ended up being a co-lead. Then parts of BW's role in TWS and dialogue ends up resembling Sharon's in the comics. The end.

When was she supposed to be the leading lady? I have never read any report indicating that from 2014 since this day. No part of widow's dialogue resembled Sharon. Nat came out as mysterious, dubious and secretive in the movie, the exact opposite of how Sharon was. She was straight-forward and more sweet than Nat. Widow was widow and behaved like Widow.

 

[Voltron]

When was she supposed to be the leading lady? I have never read any report indicating that from 2014 since this day. No part of widow's dialogue resembled Sharon. Nat came out as mysterious, dubious and secretive in the movie, the exact opposite of how Sharon was. She was straight-forward and more sweet than Nat. Widow was widow and behaved like Widow.

Really? Just google "captain america the winter soldier leading lady" for your abundant answers. Many articles about a search for Cap's leading lady that ended up being given to BW at the Russos behest.

The fossil dig at Cap was a very Sharon dialogue. Sharon was known to tease Steve for being old. Yes, Widow was sorta widow but widow took Sharon's role in TWS.