Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 2

[TheVileOne]

For another bad forced romance? I'll pass. The Hope & Scott thing was bad. No way in heck was that kiss earned at the end of the movie. Not only did Scott have more chemistry with Hank and his gang but the relationship with Antony was stronger. Banner and Widow's looked epic in comparison.

Not really. This is one of the great romances from the comics. Hulk and Black Widow on the other hand...

 

[Rote]

What are you all are even talking about? VanCamp and Evans already confirmed Steve/Sharon, they are happening with her 10 min of screentime.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Not really. This is one of the great romances from the comics. Hulk and Black Widow on the other hand...

I think they are saying that if it doesn't work in the context of the film then it's better for Cap to not have a romance at all.

 

[BoredGuy]

Not really. This is one of the great romances from the comics. Hulk and Black Widow on the other hand...

it IS kinda weird that none of the film romances are really the same as the ones from the comics
only Thor and Jane, and they haven't dated in years in the comics

 

[TheVileOne]

Tony Stark and Pepper have been an item in the comics before.

Pepper has always sort of been Tony's one true love, but something always gets in the way. Either he's dating someone else, or Pepper ended up with Happy, and they had their own on again off again relationship.

I mean we got Betty Ross in Incredible Hulk, but she's been sent away to be never seen again.

As for Star-Lord, I don't recall any major romances for him. I know Nova did have a fling with Gamora once.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

it IS kinda weird that none of the film romances are really the same as the ones from the comics
only Thor and Jane, and they haven't dated in years in the comics

Betty and Bruce.

 

[BoredGuy]

oh right, always forget TIH exists

 

[TheVileOne]

Still wish they could bring Betty or Liv Tyler back.

 

[BoredGuy]

the one thing I'll give Ang Lee's hulk, Jennifer Connelly was a much better Betty than Liv, imo

 

[TalismanRing]

Not really. This is one of the great romances from the comics. Hulk and Black Widow on the other hand...

Hope and Scott?

Ant-Man and Wasp are - but Hank and Janet - two entirely different characters and personalities.

 

[TalismanRing]

What are you all are even talking about? VanCamp and Evans already confirmed Steve/Sharon, they are happening with her 10 min of screentime.

They really haven't. The most that's been said is maybe it's leading into something later.

Even then there are no guarantees. Looks what's happening with Thor 3. He's getting an entirely new love interest. Not Jane or Sif.

 

[TheVileOne]

Hope and Scott?

Ant-Man and Wasp are - but Hank and Janet - two entirely different characters and personalities.

Don't get me started on Mary Sue Van Dyne.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Janet is a mary sue?

 

[Britney]

They really haven't. The most that's been said is maybe it's leading into something later.

Even then there are no guarantees. Looks what's happening with Thor 3. He's getting an entirely new love interest. Not Jane or Sif.

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Well we know they go on a date, they kiss and Emily said "she follows her heart, rather than her head" on why she is helping Cap when she's not supposed to be. I think that it's already blossoming into a relationship in this film. Hopefully if Steve is alive we will get her in Infinity War and the Avengers films since I doubt we will get a Cap 4.

 

[Minxie]

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Well we know they go on a date, they kiss and Emily said "she follows her heart, rather than her head" on why she is helping Cap when she's not supposed to be. I think that it's already blossoming into a relationship in this film. Hopefully if Steve is alive we will get her in Infinity War and the Avengers films since I doubt we will get a Cap 4.

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And we know it's not one-sided, either, which is something a few people were wondering (in vain, lol): "cap's got eyes for someone else"

 

[Voltron]

If they share a moral compass then she should be doing it because she thinks it right for reasons other than it being what Steve thinks.

Like maybe she agrees Bucky isn't to blame, or she wants who turns out to be Zemo to be taken down.

Yeah, I think EVC should not have said that Sharon "follows her heart, not her head" because that contradicts comics Sharon's "duty over love". But if she shares the same moral compass as Steve then she agrees that Bucky is a victim, was under duress, and brainwashed into killing. Bucky's a child soldier in a way where some of the children are abducted then brainwashed, indoctrinated, and sometimes blackmailed into killing people. Should the child soldier and Bucky being victims themselves be punished for that? Hell no!

There is also this

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"It's refreshing to see Captain in a more intimate situation."- @EmilyVanCamp speaking of her on screen kiss with Cap #CaptainAmericaEvent link

Yah this was posted a few pages back.

No, it's not a deduction. Correlation is not causation. Sharon's time could have been cut for completely unrelated reasons. Maybe they don't hate the character like you and others have suggested. Maybe she just didn't fit in with the story they where trying to tell.

And for the last time, Marvel is not making Civil war because they were afraid of Batman v Superman.

Okay, I put two and two together.

But come on, it's so obvious that M&M champions Sharon and the Russos don't telling from their audio commentary and interviews. McGiveny and I have already posted clear evidence in previous pages.

It's not about being afraid, it's about 2016 b.o. competition.

 

[Raiden]

They really haven't. The most that's been said is maybe it's leading into something later.

Even then there are no guarantees. Looks what's happening with Thor 3. He's getting an entirely new love interest. Not Jane or Sif.

The new actress may not be the new love interest.

 

[Minxie]

I don't think that EVC saying Sharon "follows her heart, not her head" contradicts the character, tho. Comics Sharon believes in prioritizing duty over love, yes, but that doesn't mean she doesn't make exceptions. A friend of mine whose favorite character is Sharon and knows more about her than most people was just talking the other day about this, and summed up: Steve is a pretty important aspect of this like he's the one who can actually make Sharon question her convictions because he's as strong in his convictions as she is, and she trusts him, and it makes her re-evaluate things she's never had to question before. The whole idea is that Sharon is typically a duty driven person who is really challenged by someone for the first time to question what her duty is and wonder if following her gut instincts and her heart are the right way to go.

 

[Anita18]

^ I'd be interested in seeing that!

 

[Voltron]

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And what about Sharon's "Duty over love" what is that kind of "she followers her heart rather than her head" bs ? oO

Like Sharon has only 10 mins of screetime and they managed to mess most of her characterisation?

I like some of her scenes in TWS espacially the "hopefully not to far" because it showed that Sharon chose her mission over possible love but Sharon was never meant to be an ‘up coming’ agent, even less a “rookie”. In fact in the Cap mythology, Sharon was introduced as the second best agent (after Nick freaking Fury). Sharon’s leading a whole team in the comics, she’s a boss but in the movie she couldn’t take Rumlow? Yeah right in what universe….And now this. I want to be optimist and maybe Sharon and Steve did meet at least once before Cw?

Only 10 mins??? That's worse than 15 mins!!! And I feel your pain. Maybe when the Cap franchise gets rebooted we'll get the Cap franchise and Sharon we deserve. And maybe EVC just misspoke the heart over head thing.

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It's 2016, we don't need 2 movies of them just looking at each other before finally kissing in the third one. A fast kiss makes sense but at the time, considering Sharon's personality ("the mission is all that counts") plus the fact that she is related to Peggy, I wanted the writers to show that Staron was a work in progress off screen, so the romance wouldn't feel too sudden.

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And we know it's not one-sided, either, which is something a few people were wondering (in vain, lol): "cap's got eyes for someone else"

I found this about Staron (and btw Peggy/Cap never dated so they're not even exes, just saying):

Scarlet ***** ‏@scarllet***** Apr 9
@djkevlar Thanks I'm sad tho bc it's kinda gross to date your ex's niece in the same movie she dies. TWS had zero romance, it was awesome

Kevin Polowy ‏@djkevlar Apr 9
@scarllet***** it's handled well though, I think, they earn it

 

[Britney]

I love that he said it was handled well and they earn the romance.

It makes me think that, even if Sharon isn't a main character, she's a supporting one throughout the whole film. I doubt she just has her few scenes in the beginning and then fights Bucky and pops back up at the end of the film... hopefully she earned it by being pivotal to one of the big fights or the ending conclusion.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Only 10 mins??? That's worse than 15 mins!!! And I feel your pain. Maybe when the Cap franchise gets rebooted we'll get the Cap franchise and Sharon we deserve. And maybe EVC just misspoke the heart over head thing.





I found this about Staron (and btw Peggy/Cap never dated so they're not even exes, just saying):

The MCU is not going to get rebooted anytime soon.

 

[Britney]

I think Sharon fans only hope to getting a fleshed out Sharon is if they do an "Agent Carter" season devoted to her (Emily did lead Revenge for a number of years on ABC so it's a possibility)

However, since it looks like her and Cap are going to become an item, I doubt it'll happen since she'll stick to the films in a minor role. Peggy could have her own show cause Cap was frozen.

Maybe Marvel will decide to give us a proper Cap 4 (one that solely focuses on Cap and his whole universe) and she will play a larger role... but that doesn't seem very likely.

 

[Voltron]

I love that he said it was handled well and they earn the romance.

It makes me think that, even if Sharon isn't a main character, she's a supporting one throughout the whole film. I doubt she just has her few scenes in the beginning and then fights Bucky and pops back up at the end of the film... hopefully she earned it by being pivotal to one of the big fights or the ending conclusion.

Yeah it's great to read that, but I'll have to judge for myself on how it's handled. I must admit that I was surprised that we'll get a Staron kiss where even Evans teased that he got to "make-out" in yesterday's panel after he and EVC in previous interviews downplayed the romance. Crossed fingers that Sharon is in an IW movie.

The MCU is not going to get rebooted anytime soon.

I'm aware. It might, 30 years from now.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I don't think that EVC saying Sharon "follows her heart, not her head" contradicts the character, tho. Comics Sharon believes in prioritizing duty over love, yes, but that doesn't mean she doesn't make exceptions. A friend of mine whose favorite character is Sharon and knows more about her than most people was just talking the other day about this, and summed up: Steve is a pretty important aspect of this like he's the one who can actually make Sharon question her convictions because he's as strong in his convictions as she is, and she trusts him, and it makes her re-evaluate things she's never had to question before. The whole idea is that Sharon is typically a duty driven person who is really challenged by someone for the first time to question what her duty is and wonder if following her gut instincts and her heart are the right way to go.

That is not an incorrect interpretation, but still, it's built on the two knowing each other well, and her being established as the normally duty-driven kind of person.

Steve shouldn't just gain her unyielding loyalty and her heart in under five minutes.