Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 3

[BullMcGiveny]

I don't even have any idea what that means. They clearly developed the Sharon and Steve relationship more in Civil War.

I'm sure you're aware that many thought differently.

What was taken out was only re-arranged in different places. They still shared a kiss and developed their relationship. Nothing all that significant was really cut from the movie.

This isn't really about the deleted scene.

It was a little bit better, and set up the later kiss more. Ultimately, I don't think it would have made a lot of difference. But it was a little better.
And they still cut it out.

Me, I was just blowing a little steam. Of course, there had to be those who piped in because someone, somewhere wasn't kissing the Russo's asses, and turned it into it being EVC's/Sharon's fault.

Now do I wish we saw a Sharon who got to fight more and fight in battle alongside Cap like she does in the comics? Yes. But this wasn't one of those stories.

Well the thing about stories is that they don't naturally occur. They're the way because how the crew made them. They could've done all that, they just didn't care to.

In fact, there is concept art of such, but those scenes were dropped.

 

[TheVileOne]

It was a little bit better, and set up the later kiss more. Ultimately, I don't think it would have made a lot of difference. But it was a little better.
And they still cut it out.

They cut something you even admit wouldn't have made much of a difference.

Well the thing about stories is that they don't naturally occur. They're the way because how the crew made them. They could've done all that, they just didn't care to.

In fact, there is concept art of such, but those scenes were dropped.

What concept art?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

They cut something you even admit wouldn't have made much of a difference.

After they cut a couple of scenes from the storyboards, after they gave her a meager role twice, yes.

What concept art?

This is the only one I can find right now, but there were others. You'll notice both Wanda and Sharon are on it.

 

[Voltron]

More than anything in the Cap franchise I wanted to see Sharon/Steve fighting together like in the comics. But alas the Russos.

 

[TheVileOne]

After they cut a couple of scenes from the storyboards, after they gave her a meager role twice, yes.



This is the only one I can find right now, but there were others. You'll notice both Wanda and Sharon are on it.

Sharon wouldn't have been a good fit for the airport battle.

I would say there is a difference between meager and what Sharon was able to do in the film. Meager was Martin Freeman's role. Sharon was also given that important monologue based on that major line that originally belonged to Captain America in the comics.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Sharon wouldn't have been a good fit for the airport battle.

And yet, there she is.

Also there is Natasha, but she gets a pass through fandom bias or creator courtesy.

I would say there is a difference between meager and what Sharon was able to do in the film. Meager was Martin Freeman's role. Sharon was also given that important monologue based on that major line that originally belonged to Captain America in the comics.

Paltry, then.

Sharon wasn't given that speech. Peggy was.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I really want to see the white jumpsuit

 

[Voltron]

More like white and grey suit, and so did Sharon fans a thread ago.

 

[ScarlettW]

After they cut a couple of scenes from the storyboards, after they gave her a meager role twice, yes.



This is the only one I can find right now, but there were others. You'll notice both Wanda and Sharon are on it.

This concept art shows that Ant-Man was Tony's side, right? That's it, Sharon was replaced by Scott at the airport fight.

Scott was initially on Tony's side, with the entrance of Spider-Man, he moved to the side of the Cap, balancing the fight.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Yeah? They dropped her because they got Spider-Man. Even though there was no real need for him to be there, aside from them can't helping themselves.

 

[MbJ]

This concept art shows that Ant-Man was Tony's side, right? That's it, Sharon was replaced by Scott at the airport fight.

Scott was initially on Tony's side, with the entrance of Spider-Man, he moved to the side of the Cap, balancing the fight.

The fight was already imbalanced in Tony's favor even before Spider-Man showed up, so that's probably not it.

They probably just realized there's no reason for her to actually be there.

 

[ScarlettW]

The fight was already imbalanced in Tony's favor even before Spider-Man showed up, so that's probably not it.

They probably just realized there's no reason for her to actually be there.

She was helping Steve since the beginning of the film, although we don't know her thoughts on the accords, she proved ally of Steve + she's a badass agent. There were reasons for her to be there, but they probably cut her to give attention to SpiderMan.

 

[Rote]

This concept art shows that Ant-Man was Tony's side, right? That's it, Sharon was replaced by Scott at the airport fight.

Scott was initially on Tony's side, with the entrance of Spider-Man, he moved to the side of the Cap, balancing the fight.

Explain this:

This

This

This

All of them have Carter and Scott BOTH on team Cap.

And I don't believe, that she was replaced by Spider-Man either:
1) SM is on TONY'S team. If anything, he only adds power to the Iron Man's side, so he should have replaced someone from the same side.

2) The Russos talked how SM had always been their plan A and how there was no actual plan B. If they didn't get Spidey, they wouldn't have known what to do, as they confessed themselves. This means that they planned airport fight with inclusion of him from the start.

3)Also, in any case, Carter wouldn't have taken much time in the airport battle. Vision was barely shown, but he still was present there. Fights are collective scenes, where many characters could be together on screen, not actually taking much time from one another. If they couldn't handle Sharon because of SM, how are they going to do IW at all, where will be much more characters at the same time? I remember how they said, that they were trying to get as many characters for the airport battle as possible now in the MCU, because it's supposed to be Civil War, you know.

4) Since Carter is Cap's character, if anything, the Russos could have cut out Hawkeye instead of her. In any case he has very small role in the movie, he is there specifically for the battle and he's not very popular character, who can bring much of the general audience in the theaters. More so because he had already been retired in AoU, and nothing had stopped them from cutting him out of TWS before, although he was a SHIELD member and had more reasons to be there that time.

There is a possibility,that maybe it was Pelmutter's leftovers. He is known being concerned about the connection with the comic-book's material. When he lost his influence, the Russos began to do more what they wanted and considered being better for the movie.

 

[BatsDC]

I love how if you try to defend the way Sharon was used in any way you're accused of riding the Russo's ***** and being apart of the 'Russo cult'

lmao what, grow up

 

[MbJ]

She was helping Steve since the beginning of the film, although we don't know her thoughts on the accords, she proved ally of Steve + she's a badass agent. There were reasons for her to be there, but they probably cut her to give attention to SpiderMan.

She helped Steve by giving him intel and stealing his costume and shield back. There's nothing there to show she'd in any way be useful in a superhero fight.

 

[ScarlettW]

Explain this:

This

This

This

All of them have Carter and Scott BOTH on team Cap.

And I don't believe, that she was replaced by Spider-Man either:
1) SM is on TONY'S team. If anything, he only adds power to the Iron Man's side, so he should have replaced someone from the same side.

2) The Russos talked how SM had always been their plan A and how there was no actual plan B. If they didn't get Spidey, they wouldn't have known what to do, as they confessed themselves. This means that they planned airport fight with inclusion of him from the start.

3)Also, in any case, Carter wouldn't have taken much time in the airport battle. Vision was barely shown, but he still was present there. Fights are collective scenes, where many characters could be together on screen, not actually taking much time from one another. If they couldn't handle Sharon because of SM, how are they going to do IW at all, where will be much more characters at the same time? I remember how they said, that they were trying to get as many characters for the airport battle as possible now in the MCU, because it's supposed to be Civil War, you know.

4) Since Carter is Cap's character, if anything, the Russos could have cut out Hawkeye instead of her. In any case he has very small role in the movie, he is there specifically for the battle and he's not very popular character, who can bring much of the general audience in the theaters. More so because he had already been retired in AoU, and nothing had stopped them from cutting him out of TWS before, although he was a SHIELD member and had more reasons to be there that time.

There is a possibility,that maybe it was Pelmutter's leftovers. He is known being concerned about the connection with the comic-book's material. When he lost his influence, the Russos began to do more what they wanted and considered being better for the movie.

She's in the promotional artwork replacing Scarlett Witch that couldn't be shown. It even made people think that she would be in action scenes in the film, that is disrespectful.
In the storyboards she had a bigger role than what we saw, Hawkeye too, but both had their characters probably reduced in favor of other characters.

Of course Russos didn't have a plan B. Cut Spiderman, you still have the same movie! He wasn't important to the story, he didn't know what was going on.

They wouldn't cut Hawkeye because of his connection with Wanda + the fight scene vs Natasha. Although he wasn't popular, he is better known than Sharon.

 

[TheVileOne]

Spider-Man > Sharon Carter.

Sorry. I understand the frustration for fans of Sharon Carter and Carter/Cap. I like that pairing too. But re-establishing Spider-Man for the MCU definitely takes priority.

 

[Rote]

She's in the promotional artwork replacing Scarlett Witch that couldn't be shown. It even made people think that she would be in action scenes in the film, that is disrespectful.
In the storyboards she had a bigger role than what we saw, Hawkeye too, but both had their characters probably reduced in favor of other characters.

Of course Russos didn't have a plan B. Cut Spiderman, you still have the same movie! He wasn't important to the story, he didn't know what was going on.

They wouldn't cut Hawkeye because of his connection with Wanda + the fight scene vs Natasha. Although he wasn't popular, he is better known than Sharon.

Why would they use a stand-in for Wanda at all? A stand-in for the very specific scene of the airport fight with teams rosters, not just those characters, who are just in the movie?
Wanda and Pietro were also absent from the early AoU merch, but no one used a stand-in for them. No Maria Hill replacing Wanda just for the sake of more females on the merch pictures. They were just not there, end of story.
There wasn't any stand-in for Spider-Man. Why use it? To confuse people? As you said, it's disrespectful. And also it's just stupid. And this weapon, she never used. At least then they would have depicted Sharon in the outfit she has in the movie.
Also, is she a replacement for Wanda in Lego set too, where, you know, Wanda is actually present? This doesn't make any sense for me.
We know, why Hawkeye role was reduced. It's been said, that Renner was shooting the other movie at the same time, so he couldn't be on CW set for long.

I think, what Russos actually meant is that they have already planned the airport battle with Spidey, where he has a pretty huge presence, so they wouldn't know, how to change it quickly without him. And the airport battle is VERY important scene for the movie, it's the face of Civil War in many ways.

If the Russos every time chose more popular character instead of the one, which the movie needs, they wouldn't have ever been a good directors. With this logic, they should have used Hawkeye instead of Falcon in TWS too. No one knew Sam that time, but still they cut Clint from the movie completely.

 

[TheVileOne]

Cap is just destined to stay the 95 year old virgin forever in these often sex-less movies .

 

[Rote]

Cap is just destined to stay the 95 year old virgin forever in these often sex-less movies .

Or 100 years old later.
People here are just so obsessed with Cap's sex life. Is Natasha also a virgin just because she had never had sex on screen?
I believe, Evans said in some interview, that Cap is already not a virgin on the moment of the beginning of CW.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Spider-Man > Sharon Carter.

Sorry. I understand the frustration for fans of Sharon Carter and Carter/Cap. I like that pairing too. But re-establishing Spider-Man for the MCU definitely takes priority.

Yeah, because it was either Civil War or never for Spider-Man.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I love how if you try to defend the way Sharon was used in any way you're accused of riding the Russo's ***** and being apart of the 'Russo cult'

lmao what, grow up

More like, you can't criticize the Russos, ever. Any attempt will just summon forth the same rheotic inpraise of the Russos.

Can't make an innocuous comment as 'the Russos don't care about Sharon' either.

 

[metaphysician]

More like, you can't criticize the Russos, ever. Any attempt will just summon forth the same rheotic inpraise of the Russos.

Can't make an innocuous comment as 'the Russos don't care about Sharon' either.

How many "innocuous" comments have there actually been, versus loud and vitriolic condemnations for the crime of not embracing Sharon Carter with the fervor desired? Often flavored with anything from aspersions about Bucky or Natasha, to condemnations for crass commercialism vis a vis Spider-man?

If there's a tendency to eyeroll at Sharon fanatics, perhaps consider whether it might have been earned.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Several, which have lead to a deluge of the Russos defenders defending them and claiming it was because EVC is a rude person, or untalented, or some other reason how it isn't them.

And these posters don't even like Sharon, and have trolled this thread time and again, to complain about people wanting Sharon, to complain about Sharon fans posting in this thread, to complain about Sharon being in concept art instead of Wanda, so really, why not be vitriolic?

So no, I don't think it has been earned. I think Sharon fans should at the very least be able to blow off steam in the Sharon Carter thread.

If anyone has anything interesting to say at this point that isn't blowing off steam, then they should feel free. Apparently they don't though, and yet they're still keep coming here.

 

[ScarlettW]

Spider-Man > Sharon Carter.

Sorry. I understand the frustration for fans of Sharon Carter and Carter/Cap. I like that pairing too. But re-establishing Spider-Man for the MCU definitely takes priority.

Spider Man didn't need to be there. He is one of the most popular characters, just remember the reaction of people to the second trailer.
He will have his own franchise, so why put that character in a movie that he is nothing more than comic relief? He doesn't add anything significant to the story of film. Russos are just using excuses to make it seem that he was very important to the story, when in fact he was not.